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Reply #2240 on: October 26, 2016, 02:18:07 PM

I thought the over the top brutality was absolutely necessary.  ...
The violence of the scene was discussed above.  Further, there has been a lot of talk - and objection to - the level of violence in that scene in media coverage and in places like Twitter.  

Regardless, you vow not to watch this show, but feel the need to come back, months after giving up on it, to discuss stuff you refuse to see.  If this show is horribly written, why the heck are you still here?  I don't get being so invested in trying to prove how uninvested you are.  
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Reply #2241 on: October 26, 2016, 06:14:52 PM

I honestly don't get the complaints here, and the violence wasn't my issue with this show or this episode. My issue is the pacing, the way they manipulate the audience, and how many bad choices they keep making for the series (+bad writing). Waiting halfway through the ep for the "death" by Negan, and then it being turned into additional drama (with stupidity), along with "envisioning" everyone getting the Lucile treatment, shows how little they care about the characters, but more-so the audience. The cheesy happily ever after "sitting around the dinner table" thing during the most emotional moment I felt was in the entire premiere was total pandering, kinda make me groan.

There were some really amazing acting performances in this ep tho... but Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan won't get acting nods for a scene and show like this.


This also made me laugh waaaay more than I should've
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Reply #2242 on: October 27, 2016, 01:01:36 AM

I honestly don't get the complaints here, and the violence wasn't my issue with this show or this episode.

Um, nobody - literally nobody - in this thread has complained about the violence in that episode. And you say you don't get the complaints here and then you say:

My issue is the pacing, the way they manipulate the audience, and how many bad choices they keep making for the series (+bad writing). Waiting halfway through the ep for the "death" by Negan, and then it being turned into additional drama (with stupidity), along with "envisioning" everyone getting the Lucile treatment, shows how little they care about the characters, but more-so the audience.

...which are exactly the complaints that we have been making here.

I'm confused.  Head scratch

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Reply #2243 on: October 27, 2016, 01:18:31 AM

I think that the previous time
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Reply #2244 on: October 27, 2016, 03:33:16 AM

I honestly don't get the complaints here, and the violence wasn't my issue with this show or this episode.

Um, nobody - literally nobody - in this thread has complained about the violence in that episode. And you say you don't get the complaints here and then you say:
I didn't mean "here" as from you or the forum but "here" regarding the show itself.


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...which are exactly the complaints that we have been making here.

I'm confused.  Head scratch
and... I was basically agreeing with you and others in the thread (I almost used "here" again to further conflate the issue) about the ep... but that's ok because you're confused, and I hastily type things that are hard to understand without taking them personally. I mostly posted because of the fucking image though, and you just want someone to argue with (but that isn't me).


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Reply #2245 on: October 27, 2016, 04:50:08 AM

Yeah it was the use of 'here' that confused me.  awesome, for real

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Reply #2246 on: October 27, 2016, 09:12:36 AM

It feels like "oh we've done that now here is the Governor again".


But it's the opposite of that.  That was exactly what Rick thought and why he was so overconfident last season.  That's the part that bothers me actually, Rick and his group managed to take out at least 50 or more of Negan's goons.  Unless his army is in the thousands, his actual army not the people he has oppressed, those are some massive losses that should have made them wipe out Rick's group completely.  That's not a "kill two of you to teach you a lesson and leave the rest of you alive as slaves" situation, those fuckers have shown they are way more dangerous than your standard group.

I can forgive this. Primarily because Negan is not yet a character. He is a plot device.

If he were a character he might be one who gets off on cowing Rick. Moustache guy and blonde dude might be telling Negan to burn Alexandria to the fucking ground.

FWIW I also think pruning Glenn and Abraham is a good choice regardless of the comic. They both take a lot of airtime with no real arc left.

If the last two episodes were compressed into one, and presented more as a consequence of the gang's rambo shit I'd probably be more or less OK with it.

How Rick is going to react to the events in this episode would have been a much better cliffhanger.
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Reply #2247 on: October 28, 2016, 12:11:05 PM

That's the thing, we know the show doesn't end here, so seeing what happens next should be interesting even if it'll probably take too long to get there.  My money would be on Rick just collapsing and somebody else (possibly Carl) taking Negan out in a really spectacular way.

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Reply #2248 on: October 28, 2016, 03:46:22 PM

Oh lol.... another season of farmer Rick? :D

The question is how far are they prepared to deviate from the comics?

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Reply #2249 on: October 28, 2016, 05:03:21 PM

I got 2/3 through the episode, got angry and quit watching - then was convinced to go ahead and finish watching it, which I did.

I don't know how anxious I am to watch any more, though. Not much.

TWD lost me last season or the one before, for the most part. Things happening that don't make sense other than to jerk the audience around. I don't like feeling manipulated. I don't mind being manipulated but if I feel like I'm being manipulated, I do mind, if that makes sense.

I am not fond of the violence in TWD. It became a gratuitous how to off zombies show a long time ago. I generally turn away and don't watch those parts.

For me to find a tv show compelling, I either have to have people to root for, or it has to be entertaining or thought-provoking, and I struggle to find any of that in TWD. I just don't care about any of the characters enough, except maybe Carl, and only because he's the kid (or man, now, I suppose).
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Reply #2250 on: October 28, 2016, 05:07:57 PM

Only as far as they've deviated before.  They take different routes, but the destination will be the same.  If they kill off a character early, someone else fills the shoes.  The only reason I think they could deviate with regards to this storyline is

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Reply #2251 on: October 31, 2016, 05:58:35 PM

*grown snarl*

"I forgot to mention that Ezekial has a tiger"

*cut to tiger*

Quality fucking writing that  ACK!

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Reply #2252 on: November 15, 2016, 11:23:39 AM

Thread gone quiet. Have episodes 2-4 been any better or is this show a zombie itself now?

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Reply #2253 on: November 15, 2016, 11:33:39 AM

I haven't watched last Sunday's episode yet, but it feels stale so far. How much torture of main characters can you take before you get tired of it?
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Reply #2254 on: November 15, 2016, 01:31:37 PM

How much torture of main characters can you take before you get tired of it?

One episode was enough for me, which is why I've not watched the rest. Will continue to stay away then.

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Reply #2255 on: November 15, 2016, 02:49:38 PM

Introduction of the King, further humiliation of Alexandria (taking all of their mattresses as tribute, then burning them on the side of the road), breaking Daryl, they're rubbing our noses pretty hard in just how nasty Negan is as a feudal lord. Not as much gratuitous brutality, but a lot more psychological torture backed by the threat of it.

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Reply #2256 on: November 15, 2016, 03:23:29 PM

I like this season. I am really going to enjoy Negan getting his. I know that is how I am supposed to feel, but fuck it.

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Reply #2257 on: November 15, 2016, 04:54:55 PM

Thread gone quiet. Have episodes 2-4 been any better or is this show a zombie itself now?

I haven't watched any of this season. This was a low point in the comics for me. I like the stuff that comes after a bit better, but Negan is an even more cartoonish supervillain than the Governor, and Ezekiel and his tiger feel out of place also.
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Reply #2258 on: November 15, 2016, 05:13:55 PM

I haven't watched last Sunday's episode yet, but it feels stale so far. How much torture of main characters can you take before you get tired of it?

This week's episode was about eight and a half hours long and had about 12 minutes of content.

Much worse than the last two.

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Reply #2259 on: November 15, 2016, 11:04:33 PM

Not hating it but I'm certainly not inspired to comment on the plot either.

They need to deviate from the comics, kill Rick off and make Coral take over

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Reply #2260 on: November 16, 2016, 04:42:32 AM

It's frustrating in part because you occasionally see potential. Contrasting the kingdom/alexandria/hilltop approach to the problem seemed ok. I'm kind of interested in the idea of 'Fallout, the TV Show' which you could do if Negan wasn't so absolutely central to every damn thing.

The kingdom episode was good enough for me to accept both the Tiger, and Carol's ridiculous decision to live in that house. It still included the threat of Negan but Morgan and Ezekial's responses were handled so much better.

And Andrew Lincoln is really watchable in this. But badly needs a better editor. I get why they wanted to show Rick actively enforcing Negan's will but holy shit it went on too long and in the end 'give me a second' did it better anyway.

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Reply #2261 on: November 16, 2016, 05:49:08 AM

Not hating it but I'm certainly not inspired to comment on the plot either.
Exactly. I'm kind of over watching a group of internet trolls come to life be as big of dicks to everyone else as they can be. It just isn't fun or entertaining.
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Reply #2262 on: November 21, 2016, 10:05:54 AM

I'm done.

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Reply #2263 on: November 21, 2016, 02:36:51 PM

yes the hate, let it flow through you  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #2264 on: November 21, 2016, 05:44:37 PM

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Reply #2265 on: November 21, 2016, 06:40:38 PM

I don't think it's been this boring of a season since the second season...
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Reply #2266 on: November 22, 2016, 01:45:11 AM

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Reply #2267 on: November 22, 2016, 10:19:10 AM

I much prefer my karate Jesus to fight vampires, not zombies.

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Reply #2268 on: November 23, 2016, 03:00:32 AM

The show is more of the same for a long time. If you hate it now, you'll hate it for a long time. If you hate it and keep watching... all on you.

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Reply #2269 on: November 23, 2016, 03:01:32 AM

I swear the comics move at a faster pace

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Reply #2270 on: November 23, 2016, 03:38:14 AM

I swear the comics move at a faster pace
We just hit the story from issue 100 and we're around 90 episodes in the show...Some parts move faster, other slower. However, generally, about the same pace on average.We'Re a few years from the next major shift, I'd say.

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Reply #2271 on: November 28, 2016, 05:19:46 PM

God, that episode was worthless.  Getting harder and harder to slog through it.  It's not Legends of Tomorrow bad yet, but pretty close....

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Reply #2272 on: November 28, 2016, 06:23:16 PM

Tara is one of the few people in this show i actually like so i honestly rather see more of her than whatever the rest of the jackasses are doing.

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Reply #2273 on: November 29, 2016, 03:46:40 AM

It wasn't really Tara that was the problem, as such.  I don't think it would have worked for me with anyone in the main role.



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Reply #2274 on: December 14, 2016, 11:56:38 AM

I liked the ending of this half of the season. Lays out expectations for some serious violence in the fall. I assume the core go guerilla. It seems the only tactic that makes sense.

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