Goddamn servers

[Calantus]

I can't retrieve any of my characters... again. And when I do get in no doubt 1/2 the time I try to loot I will lag. And my mailbox will open up after a few minutes. And it will take 5 minutes to search the AH. It will take a few minutes to sell all my loot too. And I'll die maybe once every 2 hours due to lag. And the server was reset earlier because we lost a zepplin or some shit.

Seriously getting sick of this. It's been a month already, they shouldn't have this shit happening still. If anything has me quit anytime soon it will be this.

[schild]

What's odd is how much the server problems of WoW mirror those of SW:G at launch (well, at least the Bloodfin server). Once has to wonder how much incompetency a gaming company deals with before handing someone their ass. I blame Nebu.

[WindupAtheist]

We can post here about how WoW suxx0rs, but it looks like nobody is posting about EQ2 at all.  Good.  I quit WoW, but I still hate everything associated with the game that ruined the MMOG genre.

[schild]

We can post here about how WoW suxx0rs, but it looks like nobody is posting about EQ2 at all.  Good.  I quit WoW, but I still hate everything associated with the game that ruined the MMOG genre.

Ultima Online - Trammel onwards? That's ironic see as, well, ya know.

[Alkiera]

What's odd is how much the server problems of WoW mirror those of SW:G at launch (well, at least the Bloodfin server). Once has to wonder how much incompetency a gaming company deals with before handing someone their ass. I blame Nebu.

SWG was the same way on the server I played on.  Anything that thought hard about items caused unbelieveable server-side delays.  The time I spent in the WoW beta was the same, to the point where I gave up looting because it was safer to not loot than be stuck looting when some mob walked by and agro'd.

One really wonders what is so different in the development process of these two games with everyone else, who don't seem to have these issues?

Alkiera

[Paelos]

Mail sucks. Period. I have to wait anywhere from 15 seconds at the bare minimum to 5 minutes max. That is unacceptable.

Otherwise, the problems that you speak of for characters or items are not server to server. Your sample size sucks. I'm not going to defend the game as the end all be all of MMOG's but it's not running rampant with most of the problems that you people describe on a daily basis. Then again, I'm operating on a PvE server, so I'm not getting the crushing lag that most others are on the PvPs. So be it.

[Calantus]

Oh I'm perfectly aware that it's my servers that are copping it in the ass for the past week or more. There were about 7 servers down when BOTH of my servers were down. It sucks so much because they're the best 2 servers for me besides this.

[Trippy]

Windrunner, a medium population PvE server, crashed earlier this evening when the Alliance decided to hold a full scale raid on Orgimmar. I can't even imagine how bad things must be on the high population PvP servers.

[WindupAtheist]

Ultima Online - Trammel onwards? That's ironic see as, well, ya know.

Get down to the appropriate thread on the Game Development forum and bring it, bitch!  And anyway, even if you're part of the "PK = virtual world" demographic that thinks open-PvP in an MMOG is something other than a dismal clusterfuck failure, you can still blame Trammel on the success of Everquest.

No, wait.  You can also blame the success of Everquest on Raph screwing around with his "player justice" nonsense while 0wnz0rd00dz chased his customers into the arms of the competition.

Therfore, Raph is responsible for the core design of the MMOG I prefer above all others to this very day despite the terrible graphics.  Yet he is also indirectly responsible for the destruction of the MMOG genre.  Despite the fact that his game largely created it.

Godfuckingdamnit, Schild, stop making me make every thread about UO!

[Disco Stu]

Mail sucks. Period. I have to wait anywhere from 15 seconds at the bare minimum to 5 minutes max. That is unacceptable.

Otherwise, the problems that you speak of for characters or items are not server to server. Your sample size sucks. I'm not going to defend the game as the end all be all of MMOG's but it's not running rampant with most of the problems that you people describe on a daily basis. Then again, I'm operating on a PvE server, so I'm not getting the crushing lag that most others are on the PvPs. So be it.

I'm on a pretty high pop PvP server but as long as I stay away from IF I don't get lag of any kind. Once and a while when I'm crafting there's a second or two of delay. Thats pretty much it. IF is rediculous and the fact that they didn't put linked auction houses in, in beta is stupid but by just going to the AH during off peak hours and getting in and out quickly I find it doesn't bug me that much.

[geldonyetich]

I play on the PvP server Deathwing, myself.   At prime time, things really hit the fan.   Random disconnects, severe lag in some zones.   Blizzard's success is really strangling the servers.

[Calantus]

Had my first zepplin ride today. It's kinda cool before the zepplin dumps me in the water and my server goes boom. So yeah, both servers down again.

[Morfiend]

I have the odd few minutes of lag at major primetime (High load PVP) and once in a great while the AH will lock me up for 30 seconds, and 1 time the zepp dumped me. Other than that my server is fine. (Knock on wood).

Godfuckingdamnit, Schild, stop making me make every thread about UO!

Well then, why dont you go and post in the UO forum? UO was good. Now it sucks.

[Calantus]

/me now has a lvl 1 undead priest on a PVP server

I decided I might as well go horde since I'll go batshit crazy if I have to start a new alliance char. My lvl 46 paladin (never again... omg the boredom), my 32 warrior, and assorted low lvl alts are on hold until the servers they are on stop sucking major ass.

Researched the new server and found it to be stable, fast (ie. pacific), and fairly well balanced. So yeah, maybe a new permanent home for me.

[WindupAtheist]

Well then, why dont you go and post in the UO forum? UO was good. Now it sucks.

Other than "I miss ganking miners" or "shiny > gameplay" does anyone have a reason for saying this?  "I played it for X years and it just got old" isn't really a reason to say something sucks.

[Fabricated]

Mail sucks. Period. I have to wait anywhere from 15 seconds at the bare minimum to 5 minutes max. That is unacceptable.

I fucking wish I was on your server then. It took an hour for one of my friends to get something I mailed to him.

[Calantus]

Heh. Mail always takes an hour to get to a person if it contains an item. What we're talking about is opening your mailbox and getting the mail to show up, or clicking send and waiting for it to actually send.

[Jayce]

I have the odd few minutes of lag at major primetime (High load PVP) and once in a great while the AH will lock me up for 30 seconds, and 1 time the zepp dumped me. Other than that my server is fine. (Knock on wood).

I have the same experience on Sargeras.  Though last night I got booted by my cable and then got stuck at the "Authenticating" part of login.  Though as I understand it, that's a universal problem, not server-specific.

[Signe]

Earthen Ring is somewhat laggy... that's about it.  I was able to mail an alt some stuff last night and it went fine.  I do have to queue up to get in sometimes, though.  It is filled with arguing role players who seem to, typically, have the luck of people who don't deserve it.   Icecrown, however, is typically unavailable when I want to play my alliance alt.  I suppose this will mean more free time that I don't care about.  


Also, can we stop blithering about Raph destroying the world and eating your babies?  That is SO ancient history!

[Rasix]

Mail sucks. Period. I have to wait anywhere from 15 seconds at the bare minimum to 5 minutes max. That is unacceptable.

I fucking wish I was on your server then. It took an hour for one of my friends to get something I mailed to him.

Umm, that's standard and I thought by design.  Mailing items is about a 1 hour delay.  Mailing cash or just messages is pretty much instantaneous.

[Rasix]

Well then, why dont you go and post in the UO forum? UO was good. Now it sucks.

Other than "I miss ganking miners" or "shiny > gameplay" does anyone have a reason for saying this?  "I played it for X years and it just got old" isn't really a reason to say something sucks.

Are you still plugging your ears and pretending AoS didn't happen?

[Murgos]

I've just shunted him off to the same mental catagory as HRose, if the topic in question is an MMOG I know what his post will be about and can safely skip it, irregardless of what thread it is in or the general direction of the conversation.

Viklas!, on the other hand can be pretty amusing with his italian-english and super rose tinted glasses, plus he switches the object of his psychophancy around every year or so to keep things interesting; this guy is just getting tedious.

[Dren]

Yes, by design items take an hour in mail.

Cash is instant.

Won items in AH are instant too.

Actually getting the items from your mail inbox? - Depends on lag.

[Jayce]

Yes, by design items take an hour in mail.

Cash is instant.

Won items in AH are instant too.

So sell your Sword of Noobwhooping (3dps) on the AH for 15 gold buyout, but email your alt 15 gold instead of the sword.  Then go buy the sword from yourself.

LEET SPLOIT!!

[Pineapple]

 Then go buy the sword from yourself.

LEET SPLOIT!!

You cannot buy auctions that were started from the same account.

So character A on some account cannot buy what character B on the same account put up for sale in the AH.

[Toast]

Alleria, High Population PvE server:

The two things that bother me are the lag when trying to retrieve items from the mail, and the lag when first searching the auction house.

Oh, and the fucking fire pots that people stand in by the auctioneers.

[Dren]

 Then go buy the sword from yourself.

LEET SPLOIT!!

You cannot buy auctions that were started from the same account.

So character A on some account cannot buy what character B on the same account put up for sale in the AH.

Hell even if you could do this it wouldn't be much faster.  

Have you tried to use the AH lately? *Rimshot*

Actually, the one hour wait thing doesn't bother me for my alt swapping methods.  There isn't really ever a need to be that quick about it.  If you actually could get items to your other alts that fast, it wouldn't give you a leg up on anything that I know of...

[AcidCat]

I play on the PvP server Deathwing, myself.   At prime time, things really hit the fan.   Random disconnects, severe lag in some zones.   Blizzard's success is really strangling the servers.

Same here, this weekend was a mess. I'm fairly patient about these kinds of things, but now I'm starting to get annoyed.

[Pineapple]

Hell even if you could do this it wouldn't be much faster.  

Right. It sort of stops people from transferring money across factions. Although it is still possible with a trustworthy friend to help.

Just have the friend get an opposing faction mule to Gadgetzan. Have that mule place an item for sale with a 50 gold buyout. Buy it with the rich character. Then friend hands over the money.

[geldonyetich]

Dude, just mail it and wait the hour for the item to arrive.   It'll be there by the time you hit level 5, and it's a tad easier than trying to mosey a level 1 character over to an auction house - let alone the AH in Gadgetzan.   (We are talking about twinking, right?)

I noticed lag seems considerably better over near Lorderon.   Perhaps getting off the western continent is a good way to dodge a lot of the problems with prime time latency.

[murdoc]

Same here, this weekend was a mess. I'm fairly patient about these kinds of things, but now I'm starting to get annoyed.

I'm feeling exactly the same way. I think I'm pretty damned patient about it all, but at some point enough is enough.



Edit: spelling damned wrong was bugging me...

[Rasix]

I think everyone's starting to get sick of it.  PA mentioned it today and I wrote up something on it for the blog last night while I tried to log in.  

I just don't think they have any solution for this that will just "fix" it.  They're already controlling the box sales and talking of transfers from higher to lower pop servers.  The problem with this is, all of this bad shit is happening to some degree on lower pop servers; bringing everyone into some medium level of fucking crap doesn't cut it.

I really hope technical issues don't kill another game for me.  At least with Shadowbane there were a bevvy of other things I at least disliked with the game, so it was easier to bitterly walk away.  I really don't want to just put down a game where I'm having a lot of fun playing because of technical barriers to having my fun.  

I don't like any of this, I want to quit games because they're boring and shitty not because the server monkies can't get their shit together.

Edit: Too much more of this and the least patient of our power group is going to quit.   That will really suck and just about kill the game for me.

[Fabricated]

Heh. Mail always takes an hour to get to a person if it contains an item. What we're talking about is opening your mailbox and getting the mail to show up, or clicking send and waiting for it to actually send.

Doh'.

Well okay then, I still win, since I went to check my mail and was able to get 2 chapters done in RE4 before it showed up. HA.

[murdoc]

Where's Lum The Mad when you need him.

[schild]

Where's Lum The Mad when you need him.

For a couple of kids that bring in something like a third of a million a year, they should really learn proper puncuation. Where's that picture Haemish always posts when you need it?