Kevin Smith Unleashes Twitter Storm on Southwest Airlines

[dusematic]

When I quit smoking, I won't hate smokers.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

I quit smoking and smokers don't bother me.  Nor does smoke.  By the way, did you guys hear about 3rd hand smoke yet?  IT'S A KILLER.  Can't wait until they discover 4th hand smoke. 

[Signe]

One of the problems with quitting smoking is it can make you fat!   

[schild]

One of the problems with quitting smoking is it can make you fat!   

Nope, eating like a fat bastard to give rid of smoking pangs is what makes you fat.

[dusematic]

One of the problems with quitting smoking is it can make you fat!   

Nope, eating like a fat bastard to give rid of smoking pangs is what makes you fat.

lol so true. 


Anyway, my protip of the week is this:  Buy a gas fired grill.  It's easy, and cleanup is a cinch because you don't have any pots and pans to fuck around with.   It can be a bitch to prepare something interesting for yourself if you live alone.  I know a lot of dudes who let their weight get away from them for precisely this reason.  They don't really know how to cook, it's a hassle to clean up, and dinner from the D's (both Mc and Wen) is so much easier.  So, get a grill and you can't go wrong.  You'll have one plate to wash when you're done eating.  And it's not expensive to buy fresh foods as long as you don't have downs (hi Sarah). You can reliably get chicken breast all over the country for 1.99 lb.  A combo from the D's is like five dollars for a sliver of shit-meat on rye.

[Signe]

One of the problems with quitting smoking is it can make you fat!   

Nope, eating like a fat bastard to give rid of smoking pangs is what makes you fat.

Well, yes, that's what I mean.  You could always time giving up smoking with giving up pot.  That should even things out, no?  Except for the mood swings, of course.  I guess you would have to take up pot before you could give it up in most cases around here. 

I can't think of a better thread to ramble inanely in! 

[schild]

That would require I take up smoking pot.

[dusematic]

One of the problems with quitting smoking is it can make you fat!   

Nope, eating like a fat bastard to give rid of smoking pangs is what makes you fat.

Well, yes, that's what I mean.  You could always time giving up smoking with giving up pot.  That should even things out, no?  Except for the mood swings, of course.  I guess you would have to take up pot before you could give it up in most cases around here. 

I can't think of a better thread to ramble inanely in! 

If you quit smoking pot and cigs at the same time you'd kill yourself.  Baby steps people.

[Goreschach]

Anyway, my protip of the week is this:  Buy a gas fired grill.  It's easy, and cleanup is a cinch because you don't have any pots and pans to fuck around with.   It can be a bitch to prepare something interesting for yourself if you live alone.  I know a lot of dudes who let their weight get away from them for precisely this reason.  They don't really know how to cook, it's a hassle to clean up, and dinner from the D's (both Mc and Wen) is so much easier.  So, get a grill and you can't go wrong.  You'll have one plate to wash when you're done eating.  And it's not expensive to buy fresh foods as long as you don't have downs (hi Sarah). You can reliably get chicken breast all over the country for 1.99 lb.  A combo from the D's is like five dollars for a sliver of shit-meat on rye.

Paper plates.

Also, get a slow cooker, and a really big wok for stir fry. They're both easy as hell to cook with and you can make pretty good meals out of basic foodstuff.

[dusematic]

Anyway, my protip of the week is this:  Buy a gas fired grill.  It's easy, and cleanup is a cinch because you don't have any pots and pans to fuck around with.   It can be a bitch to prepare something interesting for yourself if you live alone.  I know a lot of dudes who let their weight get away from them for precisely this reason.  They don't really know how to cook, it's a hassle to clean up, and dinner from the D's (both Mc and Wen) is so much easier.  So, get a grill and you can't go wrong.  You'll have one plate to wash when you're done eating.  And it's not expensive to buy fresh foods as long as you don't have downs (hi Sarah). You can reliably get chicken breast all over the country for 1.99 lb.  A combo from the D's is like five dollars for a sliver of shit-meat on rye.

Paper plates.

Also, get a slow cooker, and a really big wok for stir fry. They're both easy as hell to cook with and you can make pretty good meals out of basic foodstuff.

I need fire touching my food.  Because I'm a man.

[Tebonas]

Eh. Difference between being a fattie and a smoker, Signe.

Indeed there is.

A fattie overindulged in something he was supposed to do, but not in the excess he does it. While a smoker introduced a completely new and dangerous factor into his system for no valid reason at all.

[dusematic]

Pleasure isn't valid?

[LK]

It's the people who live long enough to regret it that shouldn't smoke.

[Tebonas]

If pleasure alone would be a valid reason, cocaine would be legal as well. (which works in a similar way - nicotine stimulates the production of dopamin, cocaine inhibits the ability to absorb the dopamin back into the cells).

[Righ]

When I quit smoking, I won't hate smokers.

QFL.

[Jherad]

Eesh. Two things. Airline has a standard, is he too fat to fit in the seat and stay within the armrests or not? If yes, he's at fault, if no, the airline is at fault. I really can't see anything more simple than that. They should publish a weight limit, and stick to it - screw sensibilities.

Also, on the dieting thing. I went through a stage where I weighed a little over 20 stone. I was terribly obese. Being depressed made me eat more - it was only after I sorted my life out in other areas, quit smoking and generally became a happier person that I could effectively tackle the weight problem. I'd tried before, but failed miserably.

I am still overweight, but not obese (as in, I have a bmi below 30 now). Another year and I'll be out of the overweight bracket. Losing weight was much harder than kicking in my smoking habit (Champix was a godsend for that btw). Stopping smoking meant not putting cigarettes in my mouth ever. You can't just stop eating, you have to completely reevaluate your diet from scratch, but not to an unsustainable point - and have to learn to deal with plateaus and crap. Total lifestyle change.

If you lost weight easily then fantastic - I didn't. If you found quitting smoking hard, then suck it up - I didn't. Point being, we're different.

My pro-tip - buy a really good chef's knife (or if you're not short a few quid, a set) - I recommend Global knives. Getting into cooking from scratch in a big way really helped, and chopping veg with a real knife makes it enjoyable, instead of a chore.

[dusematic]

If pleasure alone would be a valid reason, cocaine would be legal as well.

  The legality of a substance or an act is irrelevant.  All it does it determine risk, not validity--either moral or otherwise.

[Tebonas]

You asked if pleasure was a valid reason and I said no, on its own it isn't.

The human ability to experience pleasure is a mechanism used for many things. Both as a reward system and as a trick to get you over unpleasant stretches. Nicotine (via cigarette delivery system) is one of the more dangerous (to your health) and simultaneously inefficient ways to get that experience.

Its a Neurotoxin, for fucks sake.

[AutomaticZen]

Eesh. Two things. Airline has a standard, is he too fat to fit in the seat and stay within the armrests or not? If yes, he's at fault, if no, the airline is at fault. I really can't see anything more simple than that. They should publish a weight limit, and stick to it - screw sensibilities.

As posted earlier:

Quote from: http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/cos_qa.html
What is the definitive gauge for a Customer of size?
The armrest is the definitive gauge for a Customer of size. It serves as the boundary between seats and measures 17 inches in width. Customers who are unable to lower both armrests and/or who compromise any portion of adjacent seating should proactively book the number of seats needed prior to travel.

They added that second part to prevent those who got both of the armrests down, but then their girth spilled over into the next seat. 

[dusematic]

You asked if pleasure was a valid reason and I said no, on its own it isn't.

Your reason for why it isn't is a canard.  

[Musashi]

I heard this was semantic?  True story?

Quitting smoking is hard.  I know.  Ask me.  When you smell smoke from another smoker after you've quit, you will hate them.  I guarangoddamntee it.  It's like vowing celibacy and accidentally parachuting into the Playboy Mansion.  Except that in this Playboy Mansion, the girls give you cancer. 

[naum]

Smelly passenger removed from plane

An American who hoped to travel on a flight from Charlottetown to Montreal earlier this month was removed from the plane because he smelled.

The Air Canada Jazz flight was waiting for takeoff when some passengers complained about the odour. Efforts were made to isolate the man from other passengers, but flight officials eventually decided to ask him to get off the plane.

[Signe]

I don't hate smokers but I still have the urge to rip the cig out of their mouths and smoke it myself!  I want to kill them, too, but not from a place of hate.  This is only when I'm out in public.  I don't mind if someone has a cig in my house or if I'm at theirs and someone smokes.  Also, I don't why I want to kill them, really.  I just do.  Maybe for a laugh?

I knew a girl in school who had a body odour problem but there was nothing she could do.  Perfumes and deodorants made it worse.  No one would go near her or sit near her except for a few of us.  I never much minded body odour, even when I was young, so she would sit next to me often.  I went to her house for the odd occasion.  Her family was mega rich.  They gave me a lovely gold locket for Christmas one year.  And that is the end of my smelly little story. 

[dusematic]

I heard this was semantic?  True story?

Quitting smoking is hard.  I know.  Ask me.  When you smell smoke from another smoker after you've quit, you will hate them.  I guarangoddamntee it.  It's like vowing celibacy

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155180


I quit smoking 4 or 5 years ago, but still have one occasionally when I'm out and about.  All things in moderation, especially moderation.

[dusematic]

I heard this was semantic?  True story?

And there's nothing semantic about it.  Slavery was perfectly on the up and up 150 years ago (legally).  And that's just one of many in a long litany of examples of why people who equate legality with morality are fools.

[Musashi]

Dude.  He could have said 'no good reason' instead of 'no valid reason' and this thread is like ten posts shorter.  You see his avatar, right?  Give him a break.

[dusematic]

Dude.  He could have said 'no good reason' instead of 'no valid reason' and this thread is like ten posts shorter.  You see his avatar, right?  Give him a break.

My answers would have been the same.  He would have still been erroneously conflating "good" with "legality."  That was his only argument besides cigarette smoking being an "inefficient" method for deriving pleasure.  Which is not actually an argument but a personal preference.

[IainC]

He's pretty much right though. Cigarettes are one of the worst drugs you can take in terms of both health risks and actual effect. You can point at any other recreational drug (legal or otherwise) and it will give a better buzz ad probably be less harmful.

[dusematic]

Pleasure doesn't necessarily equate to being high.  If I wanted to get the most bang for my buck "high-wise" I'd smoke meth.  It's the same way most people don't exclusively drink to get drunk.  There are social aspects, sensory aspects, etc.

[Goreschach]

There are social aspects

Like standing around huddled outside in the snow?

[Evildrider]

That would require I take up smoking pot.

It would probably mello you out.   

[Righ]

There are social aspects

Like standing around huddled outside in the snow?

Sharing the cancer.

[Samwise]

There are social aspects

Like standing around huddled outside in the snow?

Sharing the cancer.

Getting so desperate for a fix that you start begging strangers for a cigarette and/or light.

[Abagadro]

Demented and sad, but social.

[01101010]

There are social aspects

Like standing around huddled outside in the snow?

Well...I did the majority of my smoking years while I was down south...but I see the smoking groups outside here now and am a bit relieved I don't have to stand out there.

Actually when I was in graduate school at LSU a few years ago Dr. Bankston used to join our smoking group on class breaks. He wisely noted that he learned more about social theory from conversing with other sociologists and social philosophers while having a cigarette break than in actual classes and conference presentations. After three classes with him, I would say his assessment was fairly accurate, but also framed in a different time. It does have a social anchor to it, but its not a social catalyst.

--doing my part to derail the thread even further.

[dusematic]

There are social aspects

Like standing around huddled outside in the snow?

Precisely.