Perpetuum. Its setting is a far away planet inhabited by robots

[DLRiley]

I've never understood that mentality in EVE.  Sure, you're "behind" but you can easily participate in just about every possible activity in the game in just a couple months, and in many case straight from day 1.  It just never really bothered me that I'd never have as many skill points as the guy who had 50 million when I started.  I think the system in place is fine.  You can get plenty good at things really quickly, and if you play for years and years you eventually are spending huge amounts of time for small % upgrades.  

This flies in the face of the point of pvp and is the reason why MMO's and pvp largely don't mix.  PvP is supposed to be about the better player winning the greatest majority of the time.  If you're going to handicap a player, it should be the established player facing a penalty to equalize the fight.  In MMO's it's the other way around.  

One of the primary reasons that WoW pvp is so terrible is precisely because of this.  If the level/power disparity isn't enough, good gear can turn a shitty player into a God.  Levels and equipment should offer a wider variety of options in PvP, not the ability to faceroll-to-victory.  

Only in 1v1 PvP.  EVE PvP is about who brings the best group, has the best intel, has the best position, and a host of other things.  You can participate in "end game" PvP on day 1-2 with a tackling ship.   This isn't a property of just EVE either, you see it in pretty much every team game out there.  Sure, better players help your cause, but we see "inferior" players winning games in every sport every year because they had a better plan to deal with the opposing team.  No, you aren't going to win 1v1 on your first day of EVE agianst a guy who has been playing for 5 years, but you sure as hell can be on a winning side in a battle. 

Obviously if purely skill based 1v1 deathmatch PvP is what you want, EVE isn't your game, but that isn't really the point.  If thats what you want Football isn't your game either.

How is EvE not a numbers game like every other mmo? You spend 2/3 of your time checking to see if your opponent can faceroll you, and 1/3 of the time attempting to minimize your loses assuming you fight at all. If it wasn't for the death penalty no one would bother fighting without a capitol. oh and football analogy is fail.

[Ghambit]

I have a corp we can join if we dont make our own.  
I assume since we've only got 5 it'll probably be smart to join a more established one.  Also, the alliance system isnt in place yet - so there's that. PM me ingame for the name.  Beta invites should be going out tomorrow midday.

[ashrik]

I played this game a little bit a month ago. It's EVE with mechs, and I'm saddened over how unexciting that turned out to be for me.

Woot 37,000 EP to spend

[Malakili]

Thanks for putting this shindig together Ghambit.

[Draegan]

Looks like my reg has been accepted.  I'll be firing this baby up around 6pmEST tonight.

[Slayerik]

Damn. Let me know if you get any more keys, Ghambit.

[Malakili]

I played for a little while when I had the chance earlier.  This game has a TON in common with EVE, so if you like that sort of thing, I think you have a good chance of liking this.  I made a mining character just to get a feel for it and it seems pretty good so far, though there is a lot I still need to learn about what the heck I'm doing.  Hopefully we can get a few people on at the same time later and talk through somet things. 

[Draegan]

Someone shoot me vent info so I'll have it for later.

[Ghambit]

There's a 24hr period after chargen b4 you can join a corp btw, to prevent corp-jumping.
If you've had your fill testing, one could always loan out the account for someone else to try.  Stabs' acct. I made a "floater."

a) there will be a wipe fairly soon
b) you can have up to 3 chars.
c) since EP is gained regardless between characters, just stop applying to 1 and put it on the other

In relation to how it's like Eve.  You must preface that by saying it's like Eve@RELEASE.  It by no means has the depth Eve currently has.  It also doesn not have Eve's breadth, obviously.  Sectors are big, but not THAT big.

*TS3 (not vent) info. will be later tonite when the corp. CEO is online.

[Cadaverine]

Got my acceptance email, will be on around 6 PM CST tonight.

[Nonentity]

Someone shoot me vent info so I'll have it for later.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17758.0

It's buried in the League of Legends forum.

[Ghambit]

Someone shoot me vent info so I'll have it for later.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17758.0

It's buried in the League of Legends forum.

We have corp. Teamspeak3 already from an existing corp.  (see post above)
Obviously though, not gonna give that info. out in this forum.
(i'll probably be in both though)

[Draegan]

Someone shoot me vent info so I'll have it for later.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17758.0

It's buried in the League of Legends forum.

Thanks, I haven't been in that subforum in a while.

We have corp. Teamspeak3 already from an existing corp.  (see post above)
Obviously though, not gonna give that info. out in this forum.
(i'll probably be in both though)

What is this corp and where did it come from?

[schpain]

Subbed to beta, I didn't get one of your keys ghambit because of aus timezone and limited time. I like robots.

[Ratman_tf]

I joked in chat that they should've bought a BattleTech license and just called it InnerSphere Online or some such.  They very well could've, but unfortunately now the lore and design are pretty well wrapped up in an original IP, which isnt half bad btw.  Sci-fi is an acquired taste as always.

I flipped through the lore on their webpage. So it's a planet with a race of sentient robots who have 3 factions, and humans are secretly hacking some of their combat mech bodies from a hidden space station?

[Ghambit]

Yup, it's sci-fi.  The crazier the better.
From what I can gather, the datastream is quantum teleported (through a rip in the fabric of space) to each bot, hacking it real-time.  These bots are what you control.  You're essentially strip-mining the bots' planet through their own bodies, whilst fighting them off.  

I kinda wish they'd show more internal spaces though, like the station you work from and so on.  Or even the huge terminals you hack into.  For now, everything is spreadsheet 'cept the outdoor areas.

[Ghambit]

I played for a little while when I had the chance earlier.  This game has a TON in common with EVE, so if you like that sort of thing, I think you have a good chance of liking this.  I made a mining character just to get a feel for it and it seems pretty good so far, though there is a lot I still need to learn about what the heck I'm doing.  Hopefully we can get a few people on at the same time later and talk through somet things. 

Pretty much useless mining-wise unless you've got an Indy, so you're better off ratting until you get the coin (there's definitely a technique to this until you can afford a tank build).  Corp. might be able to get you one if you catch us.  Me and Draegan were on most of last night, saw no one else...  and we got tricked-out pretty nice.  Myself a light 4-turret laser bot, Draegan a missile bot.  (gonna take a while to say "bot" instead of "boat")

The skill extensions are 'sploding our brains.
The itemization likewise, but since it's player driven the market is only a shadow of what it will become.

[Draegan]

There was a shitty bug where you couldn't reload your missile launchers out in the field.     When I bugged it on the forums they said they took care of it in today's patch.  I'll see tonight.

But yeah there is a HUGE difference between pewpew'ing with the noob bot and the cheapest upgrade.  Shooting four missle salvos is pretty fun.

[Ghambit]

I enjoyed the combat micromanagement.  Bit more hands-on than Eve.  Typical thought-process is loadout a sensor upgrade, long-range lasers, armor rep., and out-target the missile drones one by one (kiting)... being careful not to back into terrain and get trapped, manage reactor, etc.  All of this seems to tone down later in the game though, since most people are running Destroyer mechs... which can farm indefinitely. (dunno if they'll balance this)  Same shit happened in Eve though.

Interestingly, the assignments reward non-craftable ammo that wtfpwns everything - so there's incentive to do them, along with the rep. grind.  Also, repairs and ammo are pricey- so just going balls out into the fray isnt very cost-effective. (at least not in the beginning)  You've gotta be careful how much dmg. u sustain and how much ammo u use.

More importantly:  there is NO Insurance.  If you blow up, you lose your bot.  There's no skill setback though, obviously... since you're just a man in a terminal controlling the bot remotely.   
Wouldn't be too hard for a 3rd party to start their own insurance company though.

I should have an industrial by tomorrow and then I'll start laying field containers.  I'm afraid to venture outer-island, but now that there's outposts it might be worth checking out.

[Cadaverine]

I wasn't feeling all that well yesterday, so I was only on for about an hour.  Should be on longer today, and now that I can tell my ass from a hole in the ground, I should be able to get somewhere with the game.

Characters name is Vanja Trask.

[Draegan]

I don't plan on doing any industrial stuff.  I got a full blown killer bot.  We'll see.

[Stabs]

In as Stabs. I'm specialised in Heavy Industry and Research and have spent my first extension points on a couple of levels of Mining.

Did a little prospecting. Running across the landscape scanning the terrain for high ore concentrations took me back to Galaxies. I'm going to enjoy this!

[Ghambit]

Yah, they supposedly designed the game to be terrain-reactable like SWG.  I havent fooled with mining enough to test this though and nearby the newb spawns the game is totally different (high spawn rates, low value ore/plants).  I think I'll wander around the map a bit tonite instead, running xport missions...  in a cheap bot.

Btw, it's well worth the effort to join the corp. TS3 server, even if you dont plan on speaking.  It's a pretty badass server (you'll see what I mean).

[Ghambit]

update:
"Terraforming" is in-game, but not available to players at this point.  So yah, you can literally deform the landscape.
Also, there will be territorial FvF, but likely after live.

[NiX]

Tried to do a mining mission, but it won't complete the objective. I could be doing it wrong.

[kondratti]

I am interested in trying this out, will have to reg for the beta...

I hope the combat is not as meh as Eve though, I really quite liked Eve except for the snoringly terrible combat.

[Ghambit]

Tried to do a mining mission, but it won't complete the objective. I could be doing it wrong.

What's your screename?

[Vaiti]

I'm in as Vaiti.

Ran into Bloodworth in the f13 channel and joined the corp, he loaned me some cash to get myself out of the horrible starting robot and into something with a little more killing power.

Missions/Assignments are abit rough to try at first, even with an upgraded bot, but I'm getting the hang of it.
I tried mining. I have no idea what is going on there. Or I do, but it sounds like something I don't want to touch at all.
Terraforming is going to be hilarious.

tip: when you get into the next bot after the one you start with, go find some Rookie Mantis's and blow them up, they seem to drop lightweight frames alot, put those on the starting bot and you have yourself a fast transport.

[NiX]

What's your screename?

Nixel

[Ghambit]

I'm in as Vaiti.

Ran into Bloodworth in the f13 channel and joined the corp, he loaned me some cash to get myself out of the horrible starting robot and into something with a little more killing power.

I feel important now.  I'm being mistakened for Bloodworth.   

[Vaiti]

Sad bit is I really should have mistaken you as Malakili. 
Was abit tired, during our challenge and response I was thinking, who the fuck is PhantomPreak, so searched the userlist. 

[ezrast]

In as Sephit. I hope I figure out how to make it not take 20 minutes to do anything.

[Stabs]

Getting started has been a little tricky. I looked into making something then realised I'd need money first. I thought about mining for the market but then realised I didn't even have money to place a sell order.

I took a mining mission and went off to survey but couldn't get it to complete. Eventually I realised that it's not a simple matter of loading area-based rather than tile-based but I needed area-based ammo for a particular type of ore. My ammo was for the wrong ore and I didn't have any money to buy the right type.

I decided to try a combat mission. I fitted a second gun and beetled confidently out to my waypoint only to realise that I'd forgotten how to lock targets and for some reason the little combat window that had the target lock button in before didn't have it now. I died.

I went back out in a replacement robot and got creamed in a one on one but then realised I hadn't turned my armour repairer on.

I went out in a second replacement robot and this time turned my armour repairer on. Still got creamed, one of the robots in the level 1 mission is more than a match for my starter robot.

I did put in an application for the corp so hopefully I'll be able to tag along behind someone who knows what they're doing rather than start out alone.

I appreciate the desire to emulate the Eve experience but I'm not sure brutal learning cliff is quite the best idea to take forward.

[Ghambit]

The lvl 1 assignments arent very descriptive for newbies.  There are only 2 assignments you can run to pop your cherry, they'll say "suitable for rookie pilots" or something.  Any other lvl 1 assignments you'll get wiped clean w/o next tier bot and more guns, along with improved sensing or targeting.  Even with a loaded Prometheus I still have to out-kite and out-range any of the other drones beyond those 2 missions.
It's definitely not a very "tanky" game in the beginning, put it that way.  You gotta do a bit more.

Use the help channel religiously.  VERY good GMs in there who will come out and help you if necessary.

[ezrast]

I got lucky enough to find a big buy order for titan ore so I made most of the money to buy a better robot just by mining that. It's brainless but you can do it while browsing the web or whatever, so it beats blowing up the little arkhes outside the bases. I'm not sure if there are any permanent NPC buy orders for minerals though, so make sure you have someone to sell to before trying this.

And you're in good company about the ammo mistake; I can't count the number of times I walked all the way to a mission spot and then realized I had the wrong scanner charges, had the wrong miner charges, or had left my equipment in private storage instead of loading it into my 'bot.