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Strazos
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Reply #770 on: April 30, 2010, 10:05:04 PM

Correct.

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Reply #771 on: May 01, 2010, 07:20:57 AM

cool story bro  awesome, for real

But seriously, the above shouldn't happen, and wouldn't if not for the momentary immunity; certainly enough time to turn and rez.

My new pet peev is searching for servers with HC ON, the server advertising itself as such....and then I get in and it's a normal mode game. Ohhhhh, I see.

Not my story of blood and tears, Bro.  awesome, for real

But seriously, that's how the game is designed. "Shouldn't happen" says who? You? Play http://www.realitymod.com/ for BF2 instead?

HC servers, that's a bug.

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Reply #772 on: May 01, 2010, 07:42:48 AM


My new pet peev is searching for servers with HC ON, the server advertising itself as such....and then I get in and it's a normal mode game. Ohhhhh, I see.

They set it so that if a server has kill cam off or has friendly fire on it also gets registered as a hardcore server.

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Reply #773 on: May 01, 2010, 07:48:27 AM

I can sorta see FF on and higher damage, but having kill cam off doesn't make anything HC.

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe

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Reply #774 on: May 01, 2010, 08:14:13 AM

They set it so that if a server has kill cam off or has friendly fire on it also gets registered as a hardcore server.

Oh ffs...thanks for the info.

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Reply #775 on: May 03, 2010, 08:12:55 AM

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But seriously, that's how the game is designed. "Shouldn't happen" says who? You?

Yep. It is a terrible design decision. Not sure why you are so aggro in defending the game, but white knight away. Or feel free to skip my posts because I am 'QQing' (seriously? that is IGN/Vault level shit there).

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Reply #776 on: May 03, 2010, 09:00:29 AM

I created a new soldier to see how well I would do in the early going without the prime unlocks. In classic mode, it was extremely difficult to close kills using the starting weapons for assault. I quickly gave up and just started playing kamikaze C4.

I ended up with a K/D of about 65%. For comparison sake, playing assault with the AN-94 and magnum ammo, I've been running at a 1.5 K/D in the last week or so.

It's amazing how much more powerful a Rank 15 is than a new player. Anyone starting the game outside of launch is going to really struggle, but I guess the adversity builds skills.

Playing alternative play styles, such as C4-ing, heal/revive spamming, ammo boxing, or repairing, is one way for newbies to help out...but that play style is not readily apparent. A new player would probably try to run out and shoot people...and do extremely poorly.

I think it's lousy design, but I paid my dues. With the core unlocks, it's a lot more fun..

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Reply #777 on: May 03, 2010, 09:37:19 AM

I'm of two minds about this. Without the inherent inequality, I probably would not have learned mah strategery properly. Then again, I had a lot of sand in my vag over getting clipped with an M60 -after- having dumped rounds into a medic's head without significant damage. At least the M60 isn't as bestial as it was before. Its still pretty ridiculous.

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe

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Reply #778 on: May 03, 2010, 10:53:21 AM

Playing alternative play styles, such as C4-ing, heal/revive spamming, ammo boxing, or repairing, is one way for newbies to help out...but that play style is not readily apparent. A new player would probably try to run out and shoot people...and do extremely poorly.

Except you have to unlock the health, ammo box and repair. Which, for me, felt like a kick in the nuts. Until broke my second unlock I wasn't really having fun.
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Reply #779 on: May 03, 2010, 02:55:50 PM

Playing alternative play styles, such as C4-ing, heal/revive spamming, ammo boxing, or repairing, is one way for newbies to help out...but that play style is not readily apparent. A new player would probably try to run out and shoot people...and do extremely poorly.

Except you have to unlock the health, ammo box and repair. Which, for me, felt like a kick in the nuts. Until broke my second unlock I wasn't really having fun.

Seriously, I can't get over how stupid that all is. Would it kill them to have that stuff unlocked from the beginning? That's like playing TF2, starting up medic and all you have a needle gun and no explanation as to why you, as a medic, are unable to HEAL people.
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Reply #780 on: May 03, 2010, 03:52:21 PM

Playing alternative play styles, such as C4-ing, heal/revive spamming, ammo boxing, or repairing, is one way for newbies to help out...but that play style is not readily apparent. A new player would probably try to run out and shoot people...and do extremely poorly.

Except you have to unlock the health, ammo box and repair. Which, for me, felt like a kick in the nuts. Until broke my second unlock I wasn't really having fun.

Kill a high-level medic, take his shit, spam heals. You'll unlock that stuff without trying and you'll advance whatever other class you were playing. Doing that, I maxed engineer and unlocked all the medic gadgets before I even unlocked the first medic weapon upgrade.

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Reply #781 on: May 03, 2010, 03:53:52 PM

That would have been one of the huge bullet points on the Medic Class were I playtesting this game from a design perspective:

"Medics don't do anything medical to start."

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Reply #782 on: May 03, 2010, 05:26:56 PM

That would have been one of the huge bullet points on the Medic Class were I playtesting this game from a design perspective:

"Medics don't do anything medical to start."

They did in the open beta. I think the problem is that they named it a Medic. In BC1 it was just "Support", so unlocking more support items made sense.
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Reply #783 on: May 04, 2010, 01:49:54 AM

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But seriously, that's how the game is designed. "Shouldn't happen" says who? You?

Yep. It is a terrible design decision. Not sure why you are so aggro in defending the game, but white knight away. Or feel free to skip my posts because I am 'QQing' (seriously? that is IGN/Vault level shit there).

Not so much white knighting, just got tired of seeing you bitch so regularly about how things don't happen the way you want them to, and how players who don't play how you want them to sniper blah blah admin powers c4 teamkill. QQing - I got that from our WoW forum :)

As for the design descisions, I think spawning off any squad member is a much better mechanic than in BF2/2142 where you could only spawn off a squad leader, since it really helps to avoid squads (and entire forces) being boxed into their spawn zones with spawnrape being an all-too-common occurance on Pub Servers. Yeah, it can be annoying when what happened to you happens, but shit happens, get over it. It's happened to me more than once as well, but I yell at my monitor, say the words "fucking cunts" and so forth a few times, then get over it and try again to shoot them in the face. It's a minor inconvenience in the end, and in a MP BF game especially, it really doesn't matter that much if you win or lose any given round or if your soldier gets shot.

But really, it's not so much my aggro as responding to your endless aggro on the game with a bit of "oh FFS, STFU".  awesome, for real


Except you have to unlock the health, ammo box and repair. Which, for me, felt like a kick in the nuts. Until broke my second unlock I wasn't really having fun.

I did find this a strange, and poor design decision. Since I don't have the same amount of time to play as many catasses, I just hung back following the squad/pack, and looted other people's gear until I had enough kills and stolen support-based points to unlock my own crap. But at least it doesn't take too long. I haven't actually played for a few weeks now - since I finally unlocked the last items.


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Reply #784 on: May 04, 2010, 01:59:03 AM

I've been thinking about how my desire to play ends with the last unlock / item obtainment / complete set from any game.

I like the idea of exhausting content and being able to, in my head, satisfactorily move on to other games. Endless replaying of games for competitive's sake isn't why I play most games. At a certain point something new comes along and there I go.

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Reply #785 on: May 04, 2010, 07:36:59 AM


Only thing that's bugging me at the moment is it takes ages to "load my rank" after every game (or when I quit out of MP). Around 1-2 minutes of "loading" and I don't really give a damn I've moved a millimeter closer to the next rank. But I do miss getting to take part in the start of each game.

Also messing around with conquest. It's a much slower way to earn unlock points and really favors strong teams. Not quite as much fun but a nice change of pace.

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Reply #786 on: May 04, 2010, 10:13:27 AM

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Not so much white knighting, just got tired of seeing you bitch so regularly about how things don't happen the way you want them to, and how players who don't play how you want them to sniper blah blah admin powers c4 teamkill.

So it is personal. Got it. I am not allowed to voice my opinions but everyone else is free to do so. I am so sorry I don't stand up to whatever mythical standards you are apparently holding me to.

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Reply #787 on: May 04, 2010, 11:02:33 AM


Only thing that's bugging me at the moment is it takes ages to "load my rank" after every game (or when I quit out of MP). Around 1-2 minutes of "loading" and I don't really give a damn I've moved a millimeter closer to the next rank. But I do miss getting to take part in the start of each game.

Also messing around with conquest. It's a much slower way to earn unlock points and really favors strong teams. Not quite as much fun but a nice change of pace.


Kageru, this used to happen to me, and it turned out it was a function of my ATI graphics drivers. Tye the 10.0.4 ones.

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Reply #788 on: May 04, 2010, 08:54:54 PM

I don't suppose there is a pc demo for this? I can only seem to find a ps3 one.

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Reply #789 on: May 04, 2010, 09:36:56 PM

There was a demo/open beta before release, but I don't think there is anything else going on for PC.

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Reply #790 on: May 04, 2010, 10:47:04 PM

Fudge. I need an fps other than tf2 to to play, but i don't want to buy this without knowing how well it will run on my laptop.

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Reply #791 on: May 05, 2010, 08:48:38 PM


It's pretty heavy if that helps. First game in a while I've felt obliged to wind down the settings and resolution.

The main problem with this game is that most of the advanced features like medics, replenishment packs and vehicles work as force multipliers. The side with the better players has the momentum, works together, and can really dominate a game. So a lot of the games I play are hopelessly one-sided. It really would be better if it detected that and randomized the teams after some number of obvious over-runs. Or ranked games, when a bunch of clan people are going 6/1 death ratio in a PUG game it's unlikely to be an interesting round.

Other than that, IMO (obviously).

1) There needs to be some chance that an injury is not resurrectable.  A tight team with multiple medics is just way too durable. On the same basis I could see vehicle damage not being 100% repairable.

2) Mortars need to be limited in how much damage they do to objectives. Especially those where they can kill the objective by collapsing a structure on it with minimal chance of blocking it. Mortar's are cheese all round though.

3) Rocket Launchers and GL's need a stand off distance.

4) Rocket Launchers need a speed boost when fired skyward. Their slow speed makes sense as a ground weapon but hitting a good chopper / Hind pilot with one seems excessively hard.

5) The alternate weapon perk seems too good with UAV's. Though I haven't messed with it personally... I must.

Anyway, only have the recon unlocks to do... Which I'm not looking forward to. Guess I'll play around with shotgun's and C4 on close combat maps.


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Reply #792 on: May 06, 2010, 05:20:32 AM

Been working on Gold Stars, that damn MG3 which is the last unlock for medics is a crappy gun.

The 2 new maps are decent, but the one with the attacking US on the coastal jungle is a real bear if the defenders know what they are doing, I love that map when I'm playing offensive, since it is a challenge to get in and blow up the 2 points.
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Reply #793 on: May 06, 2010, 09:46:32 AM

Some more tweaks coming down the road next week-



Some good stuff there- toggleable crouch/zoom especially.

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Reply #794 on: May 06, 2010, 10:57:52 AM

Client - Toggle/hold crouch is user controllable
Client - Toggle/hold zoom is user controllable

Client - New chat system allows chatting when dead (but not during end of round) and keeps a 100 lines log

Client - Any points you get while being dead will be added to your score
Awwwwww yeah!
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Reply #795 on: May 06, 2010, 12:09:47 PM

Oh, the M249 SAW with 4x scope and improved ammo, rocks!  Might be my new flavor of yummy for my medic, after I get all the gold stars.
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Reply #796 on: May 06, 2010, 12:19:36 PM

Client - Toggle/hold crouch is user controllable
Client - Toggle/hold zoom is user controllable

Client - New chat system allows chatting when dead (but not during end of round) and keeps a 100 lines log

Client - Any points you get while being dead will be added to your score
Awwwwww yeah!
sustained crouch!? omg  squee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #797 on: May 06, 2010, 01:25:38 PM

Just realized that a fix for the M1 stat tracking wasn't listed. Did I miss that on an earlier patch or is it STILL busted?


Edit- looks like a lot of fun!
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Reply #798 on: May 06, 2010, 05:32:24 PM

I'll just like the ability to see ping without running as Admin...for some reason it was disabling my mouse3 click.

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Reply #799 on: May 06, 2010, 09:33:05 PM

My mouse 3 doesn't work either, so I put my knife on "c" for now.

One more gun then the medic class will be done with gold stars.  I won't mind the engi or assult but I'm dreading doing the recon guns, just not my style (I like playing recon with the tommy gun).
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Reply #800 on: May 06, 2010, 10:12:12 PM

Tommy gun until you get the shotgun slugs, then use the shotty. It is a lot of fun running around as an aggressive Wookiee.

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Reply #801 on: May 07, 2010, 09:14:45 PM

So it is personal. Got it. I am not allowed to voice my opinions but everyone else is free to do so. I am so sorry I don't stand up to whatever mythical standards you are apparently holding me to.

In the sense that I got sick of your bragging about being a dick and whining, yes. If you didn't spend half the thread talking about how awesome you were when being a dick TKing people who weren't playing as you thought they should  - basically being a little napoleon when given a little bit of power in a game - and the other half crying real tears about how game-breakingly retarded it was that some guys working as a team killed you, it wouldn't have stood out.

As it worked out, you stood out for being a dick, then when you started crying, I felt like telling you to basically STFU.

It's a videogame. You died. It sucks sometimes. Get yourself a fucking helmet. Manage that very last part, and you'll have stood up to my mythical standards.


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Reply #802 on: May 07, 2010, 11:19:08 PM

You have some serious issues.

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Reply #803 on: May 07, 2010, 11:57:30 PM

Get a room.

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Reply #804 on: May 08, 2010, 02:28:04 AM

Oh man, I must be a masochist. I played this game obsessively for 30 hours and sucked so bad I was screaming at the screen. Then it clicked and I learned how to play properly, and now I haven't touched the game in a week.
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