L4D2

[Xurtan]

One thing I noticed about the bots that I don't recall ever seeing in the first game is that during a finale, if you're on the ground dying and the escape vehicle is there, they very well might just leave you behind.

This amuses me greatly for some reason.

So does it look like its going to have a longer replay value than the original? I got bored within a month or two.

[Valmorian]

So does it look like its going to have a longer replay value than the original? I got bored within a month or two.

I only WISH I got that much gameplay out of the other video games I buy.

[Xurtan]

Heh, true. Just compared to RTCW:ET which I played for years, or TF2 which I'm still playing off and on, L4D didn't last long at all. I expect online games to have more replay value, personally.

[Prospero]

Hard Rain is a really amazing level.

[gryeyes]

The storms that mask a horde is pretty awesome.

[KallDrexx]

Gogo Valve marketing!

I'm down in south Florida for the weekend and I've seen 4-5 billboards for Left 4 Dead 2 randomly around (on highways and on random streets).

[Ingmar]

There's one on San Carlos right near my office in San Jose too.

[Teleku]

They are all over the bay area.  Been seeing them a lot on BART trains as well.

[Malakili]

Maybe I'm just a jaded cynical gamer (oh hey, I post on f13), but I can't really see an advertisement swaying me towards buying a game at all at this point in my life.

[Teleku]

Has an advertisement ever swayed you towards buying anything ever?  I mean, other than the fact it lets you know the product in question actually exists.

[Xurtan]

If I'm buying a product anyways, having an advertisement that amuses me or at least doesn't make me /facepalm is more likely to get my money. At least, among competing products.

[schild]

This game is:

A. Overrated.
B. Not worth $37 or Whatever.
C. Not really a sequel, just more of the same, an expansion at most.
D. Still not as good as a mod.
E. Boring.
F. All of the above.

[stu]

Gogo Valve marketing!

I'm down in south Florida for the weekend and I've seen 4-5 billboards for Left 4 Dead 2 randomly around (on highways and on random streets).

There's been buses decked out in L4D2 adds down here too.

[TheWalrus]

This game is:

A. Overrated.
B. Not worth $37 or Whatever.
C. Not really a sequel, just more of the same, an expansion at most.
D. Still not as good as a mod.
E. Boring.
F. All of the above.

I'd go with C.

[Ookii]

This game is:

A. Overrated.
B. Not worth $37 or Whatever.
C. Not really a sequel, just more of the same, an expansion at most.
D. Still not as good as a mod.
E. Boring.
F. All of the above.

I'd go with C.

And you'd be wrong.

[schild]

This game is:

A. Overrated.
B. Not worth $37 or Whatever.
C. Not really a sequel, just more of the same, an expansion at most.
D. Still not as good as a mod.
E. Boring.
F. All of the above.

I'd go with C.

And you'd be wrong.

That wasn't an option.

[Malakili]

Has an advertisement ever swayed you towards buying anything ever? 

Ye....

I mean, other than the fact it lets you know the product in question actually exists.

Oh, in that case no.

Actually, thats not true, I'm sure I bugged my parents to hell to buy me toys I saw on TV when I was little, but I suppose that doesn't count.

[Azazel]

Downloaded it, played a bit of two of the missions. Seems pretty much like the exact same thing so far, with a little more gore, a couple of new infected and stuff like melee weapons. meh.

[TheWalrus]

It's a lot of fun. Of course if you didn't like L4D, or tired of it, then this won't be for you.

[Azazel]

It's alright (L4D1). A good game for short instense bursts rather than long play sessions. Like a Street Fighter or similar game. I guess it's because you just play (and re-play) the levels rather than having a campaign as such. Part 2 seems like more of the exact same thing. As said above, it feels like an expack - that's what an expack traditionally is, after all. A few new levels, new weapons, slight gameplay changes, etc.

I'm not butthurt about buying L4D2 since the steam sale made it cost a similar amount to buying an expack locally. It'd be an awesome co-op LAN game though.

[cmlancas]

I think the gameplay is pretty different in L4D2 -- definitely enough to cough up the $40 if you liked the first one.  I mean sure, the core mechanic of pls2killzombeh is still the same, but it just feels different.  Twitchier and with more depth, maybe (if something can be those two things at the same time).

[Nightblade]

If you're not a fan of Vs., I guess I can understand why people might be put off, however - the game makes a great deal of fixes when it comes to vs. balancing... Unfortunately, the tank is still a joke 90% of the time. Also, if you haven't already done it, try scavenge mode. It's a lot more fun than it sounds.

[Azazel]

So what's scavenge mode about?

Apparently realism mode removes the glow from around weapons, other players, pickups and ammo etc, and you can no longer see other PCs etc glowing through walls. Really haven't had time to explore the modes yet.

[Nightblade]

So what's scavenge mode about?

You run around and collect fuel cans to put into a car or ... ... some kind of riding mower with an antenna on the top.

I didn't think much of it when I saw the concept on paper, but it's actually very fun; and it manages to condense a vs game into easily playable chunks. You take turns as the survivors / infected just like normal vs - whoever can capture the most gas wins (either out of 3 or 5). If the score ends up being a tie, the winner is the one who collected the most cans in the shortest period of time.

[Valmorian]

So what's scavenge mode about?

It's basically a "quick" vs. mode.  You have a single map with a generator in the middle and gas cans scattered around.  The survivors have a clock they're trying to beat by gathering gas cans and pouring them into the generator.  Each one gives ~20 seconds more on the clock.  The infected are trying to kill/delay the survivors.  Each side gets three chances, and the best of three wins.  Score is determined by the number of gas cans gathered and poured into the generator.

It's pretty cool. :)

[Aez]

Valve Software said Tuesday that its new zombie-slaying co-op game Left 4 Dead 2 sold 2 million copies worldwide in its opening two weeks, with sales to date "more than double" the original in a comparable time frame.

With the Steam business model, can we safely conclude they've just racked 80 millions minus development cost?

[Ingmar]

Valve Software said Tuesday that its new zombie-slaying co-op game Left 4 Dead 2 sold 2 million copies worldwide in its opening two weeks, with sales to date "more than double" the original in a comparable time frame.

With the Steam business model, can we safely conclude they've just racked 80 millions minus development cost?

Probably not. Steam itself almost certainly is expensive to run, and that would fall under operating costs, not development. Of course, that's offset by what they're making from *all* games, so we're still talking quite a chunk of change.

[Prospero]

Valve Software said Tuesday that its new zombie-slaying co-op game Left 4 Dead 2 sold 2 million copies worldwide in its opening two weeks, with sales to date "more than double" the original in a comparable time frame.

With the Steam business model, can we safely conclude they've just racked 80 millions minus development cost?

That's two million im box sales. We have no clue what the Steam sales were. So yeah, money hats are probably in order.

[DLRiley]

Valve Software said Tuesday that its new zombie-slaying co-op game Left 4 Dead 2 sold 2 million copies worldwide in its opening two weeks, with sales to date "more than double" the original in a comparable time frame.

With the Steam business model, can we safely conclude they've just racked 80 millions minus development cost?

That's two million im box sales. We have no clue what the Steam sales were. So yeah, money hats are probably in order.

It was already in the mail when L4D2 was announced.

[Fabricated]

Sorta makes me sad since they basically charged full price for a glorified expansion pack.

I'm never buying it. Sorry Valve, you don't stiff me on DLC and expect me to pay $50 for it.

[schild]

The DLC for this game is straight up hilarity. I don't understand how someone can look at L4D and TF2 and think this qualifies as "a savvy business decision."

[Fabricated]

TF2 is fine outside of the glacial progress on the additional content. We actually GET new maps and weapons.

L4D got...a mode it probably should've had to begin with, and a 5 minute long campaign that almost says, "here's something, you faggots. P.S. buy L4D2"

[DLRiley]

Well considering that now L4D2 made a gazillion dollars they can finally finish the updating all the classes for tf2. L4D2 is a great game, we paid for sequels that did less, don't get all high and mighty because we are talking about the PC. So Valve grubbed for more money? So? They didn't give people turd in a box and said eat it please, like say *cough* DoW2 *cough*...

[schild]

They didn't give people turd in a box and said eat it please, like say *cough* DoW2 *cough*...

Have you played L4D2? It feels like little more than a reskin, so I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.

[Valmorian]

They didn't give people turd in a box and said eat it please, like say *cough* DoW2 *cough*...

Have you played L4D2? It feels like little more than a reskin, so I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.

I've played it quite a bit, and while the core mechanics are the same, there's enough different that I feel quite satisfied having paid the price I did for it.