Modern Warfare 2, Prestige edition, -or- hey, blow your wad on this!

[Engels]

I got to the link. Had to get an age verification cookie first, tho.

Apparently they are able to hack the server and send virus/trojans to people, in the process they run aimbot in the game, and send a non tagged member to the other team to TK.

quite a story those guys are.

This was the trojan they were trying to send;

TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen


So is this IW idea of a joke when iwnet is suppose to be hack free when yet its probably less secure then a Windows 98 system with no protection?

Funny thing about this is that its safer to download the pirate copy than to buy the game retail. Lol

Finished the thread. Its only detected  by Avira and its probably a false positive.

[tgr]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-duty18-2009nov18,0,5238209.story

They're estimating 1 billion in revenue, 20+ million units sold (up 14 million from MW1), and they still felt the need to fuck PC gamers over. delicious.

Also, it seems like they're contemplating making CoD an MMO. Probably without lean.

[AcidCat]

Finally finished the single player campaign last night. As the credits rolled I almost felt exhausted. But the good kind of exhausted, like after exercise or sex. The haters can hate all they like, for a pure linear action FPS, the game absolutely delivers.

[NiX]

Finally finished the single player campaign last night. As the credits rolled I almost felt exhausted. But the good kind of exhausted, like after exercise or sex. The haters can hate all they like, for a pure linear action FPS, the game absolutely delivers.

 

[Ookii]

Finally finished the single player campaign last night. As the credits rolled I almost felt exhausted. But the good kind of exhausted, like after exercise or sex. The haters can hate all they like, for a pure linear action FPS, the game absolutely delivers.

Amen, let the others play Dragon Age or some shit.

[Teleku]

 

[jakonovski]

  even.

[waffel]

MW2 SP is pretty much scripted events you sit and watch, and that exhausted you similar to exercising or having sex?

Either you've never exercised, or you've never had sex. My money is on both.

[LK]

In the "Game vs. Interactive Movie", the game definitely slides more towards the Interactive Movie side of the scale, but it does so remarkably well and a lot better than, say, Metal Gear Solid ever did.

When I think of a single player "Game" though I think of something like Dawn of Discovery or Civilization. Pardon the Whoopi moment, but something "Game Game". First Person Shooters have a very difficult time being "Game Game" and therefore mostly slide into Interactive Movie territory.

It's nothing like the high you get after particularly strenuous exercise (like how I feel after running a 5K and finishing... that head rush) but it satisfies on the levels of entertainment I've come to expect.

[AcidCat]

MW2 SP is pretty much scripted events you sit and watch

Seems we are both talking in hyperbole.

In the "Game vs. Interactive Movie", the game definitely slides more towards the Interactive Movie side of the scale, but it does so remarkably well and a lot better than, say, Metal Gear Solid ever did.

Yeah you want to talk "scripted events you watch" just look to Metal Gear, MW2 is nowhere near that level.


It is a cinematic experience in many ways, but a thoroughly interactive one.

[ffc]

MW2 = pure linear action FPS.

MW2 = thoroughly interactive cinematic experience.

Two different people are using your account.  The first user should gain ownership.

[AcidCat]

I don't see why you think those can't coexist. It's "interactive" as opposed to a Metal Gear cinematic experience where you watch cutscenes for hours. That's non-interactive cinematic. But of course it's still a FPS so you interact with the world via bullets, you don't have dialogue options with Soap to try and get his "I like you" meter high enough to suck you off.

[Mosesandstick]

How is it interactive though? Falling down during the climbing sections? Wasn't me. Stabbing someone in the back with a knife? Wasn't me, I pressed the button a second ago. The ridiculous ski jump? The only thing interactive there is believing gravity has stopped working.

[AcidCat]

I can see this is going to get into a semantics debate about the definition of interactive.

Let's just say that to me it felt interactive enough that I never felt I was just a spectator. Well, except for the beginning of No Russian. 

[Phire]

Seeing all the praise for the SP mode in this thread makes me weep for the future of my shooter genre 

Really people you are impressed by this? I have never played a game that forced me to rush as much as MW2 did. For all the 'grand spectacle' they try to throw in they don't let you actually go at your own pace and enjoy the settings.

[AcidCat]

Really people you are impressed by this? I have never played a game that forced me to rush as much as MW2 did. For all the 'grand spectacle' they try to throw in they don't let you actually go at your own pace and enjoy the settings.

Yeah it does maintain a fast pace. But I also loved Far Cry 2, which is about the exact opposite. That game had a lot of haters too. There is certainly room for a lot of different playstyles in the FPS genre, I don't think you have to worry that every FPS game is suddenly going to be a mad dash through a shooting gallery.

[Mosesandstick]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to drag this into semantics. As an experience I still think it's a pretty enjoyable 5 hours long. Apart from Chernobyl I'd say the first MW was a much superior experience. Gameplay wise I think it's still lacking, but the cinematic elements in MW are better than pretty much any single game I've seen.

[LK]

Really people you are impressed by this? I have never played a game that forced me to rush as much as MW2 did. For all the 'grand spectacle' they try to throw in they don't let you actually go at your own pace and enjoy the settings.

Are you arguing that a particular genre of game must always be designed with the same pacing and experienced in the same fashion as every other game of its type? 

You'd probably hate Left 4 Dead 2 then, which, by the way, my first experience with can be described as "muh." (Call of Duty, by comparison? Hooah!)

[tgr]

If I were to compare MW2 to another game, I wouldn't even talk about the old CoD franchise. I've spent the last few days playing the old CoD2 game (still haven't bothered with getting CoD1 running), and there is no way I would liken MW2 to that. The closest game I would think of was Metal of Honor, and I always thought of that series as inferior to the CoD franchise. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, it just FEELS inferior.

If I want an "interactive" movie, I'd go for the good old MGS, nothing beats it (except maybe its sequels, but haven't played those yet). If I wanted something a bit more more interactive, I'd go for the good old HL1. If I wanted pure frantic war, nothing really comes close to what I've been replaying in CoD2 so far. Maybe the favela map, although even there I didn't really get the "I'm one guy in a squad trying to fight my way through here" feeling, I felt most of my comrades buggered off to do something else while I had to butcher a ton of people, rambo style.

And in my view, all three of them wipe the floor with MW2 in their own way, except for graphics.

Having played those games, and add to that the fact that the price is $10 more than normal PC games, means that my expectations are going to be up there. Not just in graphics, but in gameplay as well. When taking that into account, the fact that I finished MW2 in one sitting, without even trying to speedrun it too much, means I'm left disappointed and wanting more.

Add to that the fact that there are core controller options which are just missing compared to previous iterations, and the fact they (the developers) said that "the game isn't balanced for lean", yet the AI was leaning and shooting over ridges, just made me feel like everything was stacked against me and I was artificially limited. Conversely, you are somewhat limited in CoD2 as well with regards to where you can go, but it feels more natural, for some reason. They've just done a better job there, a job they've largely forgotten how to do the last 4 years, in my opinion.

[AcidCat]

Well for one thing I think the whole "waves of baddies come at you" shooting-gallery CoD style does feel more natural in the WWII setting. Trying to take that kind of huge-battle madness into modern scenarios often comes off feeling forced and a little ridiculous at times.

[LK]

The waves of baddies is gone from MW2. There are a fixed number of assailants you are dealing with.

Maybe the favela map, although even there I didn't really get the "I'm one guy in a squad trying to fight my way through here" feeling

Did you pay attention to ANY of the story / scenario developments taking place in that level? Shit.

[AcidCat]

The waves of baddies is gone from MW2. There are a fixed number of assailants you are dealing with.

Thankfully. There are still ridiculous amounts of enemies though.

And they do often still come in waves, it's just not an endless supply of dudes emerging from the ether.

[LK]

The waves of baddies is gone from MW2. There are a fixed number of assailants you are dealing with.

Thankfully. There are still ridiculous amounts of enemies though.

I'm recognizing that our definitions of "ridiculous" is different in this context and won't argue the point.

[AcidCat]

Well, gameplay wise it works. I just mean it often feels unrealistic. Not that realism is the goal, but, whatever.

[LK]

You mean it feels like a game?

[AcidCat]

Hah exactly I guess. I dunno, some things tread a fine line of suspension of disbelief for me.

[Pennilenko]

My business partner insisted that I try some of the single player. MW2 is a fucking shitty shooter. I have no hope for the future of the genre.

[LK]

MW2 is a fucking shitty shooter.

Explain so I know whether you're comparing this to some other shooter type that you have an infatuation with or that your opinion actually counts for something.

[Pennilenko]

MW2 is a fucking shitty shooter.

Explain so I know whether you're comparing this to some other shooter type that you have an infatuation with or that your opinion actually counts for something.

It is my opinion, and it has no more or no less weight than your fucking opinion.

[Ookii]

MW2 is a fucking shitty shooter.

Explain so I know whether you're comparing this to some other shooter type that you have an infatuation with or that your opinion actually counts for something.

Dude, all these haters don't like it because it's so popular. There's no point in arguing with them, they're just saying it sucks without backing it up.

[Hoax]

I've stated why I think it sucks.  Too much bling, not enough substance.  I don't see why I would play it over CS:S besides omg new shiney.  All the fucking bullshit that pops up every time anything happens is obnoxious.  It looks good and I can see some fun in it but oh wait, only tiny games with not many people and I can't even frequent a few great servers that form their own cool community?   No fucking thanks.

I also hate it because its so popular but I mostly hate it because its at the forefront of the war by developers on the tried and true model of private servers as small communities and modders adding free content models of the fps genre.  That and like I said earlier it reminds me of Fox News.

[LK]

MW2 is a fucking shitty shooter.

Explain so I know whether you're comparing this to some other shooter type that you have an infatuation with or that your opinion actually counts for something.

It is my opinion, and it has no more or no less weight than your fucking opinion.

If your fucking opinion is that it's a shitty shooter because it's not Serious Sam or Rainbow Six or some other game that has a completely different design and presentation, then I can safely discount your opinion, in my mind, while still respecting what it is you like and debate the individual elements of those shooter types.

This genre isn't one all-encompassing style that every game must adhere to. It has many different flavors. Don't eat chocolate ice cream when you hate the chocolate flavor and then say "Chocolate is a shitty flavor." It's fucking chocolate. People who like chocolate probably love that chocolate. Go eat some other flavor of ice cream you actually like.

Now if you loved chocolate and you thought it was shitty (and had the sense of fucking mind to back that shit up in an intelligent deconstruction), that'd be worth putting out there.

</analogy>

[LK]

I've stated why I think it sucks.  Too much bling, not enough substance.  I don't see why I would play it over CS:S besides omg new shiney.  All the fucking bullshit that pops up every time anything happens is obnoxious.  It looks good and I can see some fun in it but oh wait, only tiny games with not many people and I can't even frequent a few great servers that form their own cool community?   No fucking thanks.

Point taken and understood. I do wish for larger games and tend to gravitate towards Ground War which has the right amount of people for the maps. 6v6 is a little lame.

Shiny can be nice. Opinion though, but I know what you mean.

[Malakili]

That and like I said earlier it reminds me of Fox News.

This summarizes how I feel about MW2 basically more than any other series of words in the English language.

[LK]

That and like I said earlier it reminds me of Fox News.

This summarizes how I feel about MW2 basically more than any other series of words in the English language.

That's just creepy to think about because I know you're right.