ADP Globalview/HRIS/HRMS

[NiX]

I know there's a lot of tech people around, so maybe you've run into ADP Globalview and know of some companies that consult or offer project management for it. My company is looking to find a consulting company that can do consulting and project management for ADP Globalview. We need them to have a location in or around Toronto, Ontario.

Total shot in the dark here. Google hasn't helped me one bit.

[Yegolev]

Ask me again after I get laid off.

[schild]

All of the ADP stuff I've dealt with (at 3 companies now) was so laughably easy that it strikes me as one of those things like Sugar CMS or wiki software that consulting companies are making a killing on without having to do any meaningful work. You should angle yourself to run it and get yourself a real job.

[Yegolev]

Quiet, you.

[schild]

Shit, hire me, I'm available for consulting. I guarantee I charge less than the other group. Hell, Hire "Yegolev & Schild, INC."

[NiX]

As long as you're willing to fly to Toronto whenever we need you.

It's a matter of implementing an entire system and making sure the migration goes smoothly, which no one in our office can currently guarantee any of that or has project management experience. I took it as an elective

[schild]

They should be paying you if they're using you to find people they're going to pay. Ask your boss if this situation strikes him as fundamentally retarded.

[NiX]

It's not THAT bad, though I find staring at other peoples salary figures a bit retarded.

Anyway, stop derailing!

[Yegolev]

Project Management may be a "discipline" but I'll tell you that many projects are headed by morons or No One, and yet still come to pass.  The ones headed by No One are my favorite; lots of freedom on those.

Anyway, sure, I'll fly to Toronto if you hire me.  I'm (probably) not flying in and eating the cost before I get a contract, though.  Keep your project treading water until the end of October and we can talk.

[schild]

It's not THAT bad, though I find staring at other peoples salary figures a bit retarded.

Remember, grasshopper, information is power.

[NiX]

Anyway, sure, I'll fly to Toronto if you hire me.  I'm (probably) not flying in and eating the cost before I get a contract, though.  Keep your project treading water until the end of October and we can talk.

I don't know what kind of process they're going for or that they'll put it off until then.

[schild]

Sounds like they want to throw money at a problem to fix it.

There are ways to solve such a thing.

[NiX]

The major problem being anyone with Globalview experience is rare and someone with implementation experience is even more rare.

[Yegolev]

Sounds like a seller's market.

EDIT: I did some brand new stuff today that was most likely much more difficult, so I'm telling you that I am completely serious despite having no idea what you are talking about.  Sounds like the timing is off, though.

[schild]

Sounds like a seller's market.

I know right.

NiX, if that's the case, why don't you ask them why they'd go with such a solution to begin with. And when they say, they HAVE TO, tell them you found them some folks willing to do it for a blank check.

[Yegolev]

Don't use the words "blank check" though, say you need to put together a Request For Proposal, then start gathering requirement data.  You can stretch that out until I get laid off, after which schild and I will imagine a large number.

[schild]

Yea, let's avoid the word "blank check" and when they ask how much it will run, just show them this:



You'll probably get this response:



To which you can say "Hey, you're the fuckers who wanted to do this."

[NiX]

I've posed the question. I'm still baffled as to why they went with ADP Globalview over PeopleSoft.

[Chimpy]

I've posed the question. I'm still baffled as to why they went with ADP Globalview over PeopleSoft.

Does ADP do their payroll? If so, I would imagine that ADP's software integrates more smoothly into their payroll system than other things. Sure, you can make just about any database talk to any other, but ADP does do the whole "cut paychecks for other companies" thing really well.

[NiX]

Not quite sure, but I think we're using SAP. The problem being that Globalview is an entirely new product outside of ADP and SAP, so we're starting from scratch either way.

[Righ]

ADP Globalview appears to be a mySAP ERP HCM application suite (I looked). Get them to front enough money for schild to go to fabulously expensive SAP certification and labs so he can become a Globalview deployment expert.

[Yegolev]

Not quite sure, but I think we're using SAP. The problem being that Globalview is an entirely new product outside of ADP and SAP, so we're starting from scratch either way.

Oh ho, you're talkin' my language now, bitch.  What has two thumbs and marginal experience with untested SAP bolt-ons?  This guy.

[NiX]

Oh ho, you're talkin' my language now, bitch.  What has two thumbs and marginal experience with untested SAP bolt-ons?  This guy.

I can find the posting if you want to apply and try your hand at convincing them.

[Yegolev]

Obviously this depends on what the cockmasters I work for decide to do, so I can't commit to anything right now.  Feel free to send the info, though.  Worst case (for me), I can pass it to the numerous SAP contractors I work with.

[NiX]

Alright, new question! I need advice for the blueprinting phase of an HRIS/HRMS implementation. If you've implemented ADP Globalview, even better. I need to know the kind of things we should absolutely avoid doing or really need to make sure get done. Any advice involving blueprinting.

[Ookii]

Good luck.  I don't see how this won't be a complete disaster, where's your IT Department?

[NiX]

If you're suggesting we ask them, it won't do us much good. As far as I can tell, what we're doing is on a much larger scale than anything done before because it also applies to our parent company.

[Yegolev]

What, you guys are doing this without IT buy-in?  Wow.

[Ingmar]

What, you guys are doing this without IT buy-in?  Wow.

Umm... wtf? RUN AWAY. NOW. Lest you be tainted by the results of what is going to be an epic clusterfuck.

[Chimpy]

What, you guys are doing this without IT buy-in?  Wow.

Umm... wtf? RUN AWAY. NOW. Lest you be tainted by the results of what is going to be an epic clusterfuck.

Sounds like my company, only the IT/Dev people are the ONLY people with input.

Lots of "HAI GUYZ, check out our flashy new (barely operable) system that is customer facing but has not ever even been seen by operations/support, much less even tested" moments lately.

Seems like having everyone with some kind of dog in the race should at least have a chance to provide some feedback during the development cycle so that you don't end up with a steaming pile of poop.

[NiX]

IT is involved in the process, but further down the line. My point was that IT hasn't implemented anything outside of a solution for office where as we're implementing this system globally.

[Righ]

Oh, fuck no. I've seen that one in several different companies before - IT will buy-in later. I guarantee 100% that it will become a pissing match among department managers.

[Yegolev]

I might not be getting that dog-in-the-race analogy, but in my experience if you have even one person or group that isn't really vested in the project yet has control over one of the elements... bad times.  The Project Manager is the guy who wrangles everyone involved, enforces the plan, etc., so this seems to be the classic case of starting a project without a PM.

I'm currently working on a project that has a PM and yet it's being run poorly and there are some definite gaps in the design... mostly because the design and implementation are being done in parallel, and by different people.  Good times.  Personally, I am choosing to take responsibility for (in other words, be a dick about) standards.  I can only do so much, though, since as an implementor I've not been part of the architecture decisions.

[Chimpy]

I just meant more that if you keep groups who will at some point have to support/use heavily a product entirely out of the loop, you end up creating something effectively useless.

But having a PM is definitely more important than giving everyone input during devlopment. In a perfect world, the PM will have a decent grasp of how the system will affect everyone and be able to forsee the cataclysmic fuckups and avoid them before they happen.

Of course, I have rarely worked with a PM who did more than the bare minimum to get a job "done", regardless of how poorly.

[NiX]

IT really doesn't have any controls. ADP Globalview is hosted remotely, so we don't need them to setup anything or implement. ADP will be doing that work.