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[Arnold]

I hope this forum is still going in 10 or 15 years when all of the skinny high school/college kids around here find their metabolisms suddenly slowing down. By that age the empathy gland has usually matured as well.

Not much of an issue if you keep muscle on your frame, instead of losing ~1 pound of it, per year, from your mid to late 20s on.

[SirBruce]

Stray, you're probably trolling, but on the off chance your confusion is genuine, or in case others reading this wonder the same thing, I'll try to clarify the matter for you.

You bring your problems with people around here on yourself. It even seems like you're goading them at times. Now you say you want compassion? Nonsense.

Your viewpoint presumes, of course, that those people are acting appropriately in bringing me "problems".  One could apply the same reasoning above to, say, social bigots who hoot and holler and yell at and make fun off two gay guys kissing.  "They should know better, doing that sort of thing here," said A_Southern_Redneck.  "They do it in public just to cause trouble.  And now they want our compassion?  Sheeit."

Yes, I know, this is a private club and not a public streetcorner.  The issue is not whether or not bigots have a right to a such a club; it's whether or not they are bigots.

I think that a person who'd want a little more compassion around here would at the very least use a little tact, and try their hardest not give anyone fuel to add to the fire. But all you do is the complete opposite. Everything you've said here is said purposely, knowing full well what would happen, so don't give anyone this bullshit about compassion.

Most of what I say is not at all purposefully trying to goad anyone.  Even if it was, that's no excuse for boorish behavior.  You should be better than that.  I do admit, once in a while, I will post something I know that has pissed off someone in the past, simply to see what the response is.  But the point when doing that is these are things which I specifically feel it is WRONG for someone to get pissed about; it's not my intention to inflict harm.  Rather, it's an opportunity for someone to demonstrate maturity and growth, by responding in a more adult manner the next time around.  And you know what?  Sometimes it actually works, and there's no big flamewar, and humanity as a whole gets just a little bit bigger.  (I speak here in more general terms as a philosophy, not specifically that this forum has ever done anything to better humanity.)

I think what you really want is attention. Good or bad.

In that case, do me a favor, and try giving good attention for a change.  Or don't give me any attention at all.  But there's little point in giving bad attention, unless you're just a mean person.

*But* if you really want compassion, then why are you here? Surely you'd be better off somewhere else, right? This is the internet for crissakes. You have several thousand options. Why torture yourself?

Because obviously I don't SOLELY want compassion, nor do I NEED compassion from everyone.  So there are other things I get from talking to folks here.  Do you restrict yourself solely to intellectual and emotional ivory towers?  I think not, or else you wouldn't be here, either.  Nevertheless, it's not unreasonable to ask for a modicum of civility and compassion, even if experience has taught me not to expect it.

Does compassion only mean something to you when it's from the people who are the least likely to give it?

No.

Feel better now?

Not particularly.  Like I suggested before, try the "good" attention next time you post -- even if the results are the same, you'll feel better about yourself for doing the right thing.

Bruce

[Polysorbate80]

Big women are beautiful, and not just when you are drunk

I really don't want to be harsh here, but no they aren't.  They can have a pretty face, sure, but that asset is completely undermined by being fat.  Now granted, I don't speak for all manhood, but the number of guys out there who find fat women attractive are miniscule compared to the number of guys who categorically don't.

You sound like good people, so I'm really not trying to be harsh, but I can't just let something that sounds like a total untruth go unchallenged.

Yes, there are some guys who are only attracted to fat women.  

However, I would say that for most of the rest of us who are in love with an overweight gal, it's just that the weight is a non-issue.  Sure, she's heavy.  It just doesn't bother us.

My wife does want to lose weight, and I support her in her efforts, but if she never does it still won't bother me one speck (generally it's a very slow process for women, even more so than for men.)

Them's my two cents.

[WindupAtheist]

I hate every single one of you with the passion of a thousand white-hot suns.  Especially the fatties.

[Paelos]

Most of what I say is not at all purposefully trying to goad anyone.  Even if it was, that's no excuse for boorish behavior.  You should be better than that.  I do admit, once in a while, I will post something I know that has pissed off someone in the past, simply to see what the response is.  But the point when doing that is these are things which I specifically feel it is WRONG for someone to get pissed about; it's not my intention to inflict harm.  Rather, it's an opportunity for someone to demonstrate maturity and growth, by responding in a more adult manner the next time around.  And you know what?  Sometimes it actually works, and there's no big flamewar, and humanity as a whole gets just a little bit bigger.  (I speak here in more general terms as a philosophy, not specifically that this forum has ever done anything to better humanity.)

You know Bruce, I'm fairly positive that if you responded in the same way you expected others to, you'd have no issues on this board. Food for thought.

[Shockeye]

However, I would say that for most of the rest of us who are in love with an overweight gal, it's just that the weight is a non-issue.  Sure, she's heavy.  It just doesn't bother us.

It only become an issue for me when the "back fat" starts to develop.

[Calantus]

And there is nothing wrong with being fat.

We'll have that put on your tombstone after you die of a stroke at age 32, or get harpooned to death by some vacationing Eskimos, or whatever.

If someone wants to live a lifestyle that will kill them at 32 that's up to them. It's their life, their decision, and there's nothing wrong with that. Sure there's something wrong with being fat if you want to live a long life, but that's a problem for the individual, not everybody with an oppinion.

As far as Lum's point about having no sympathy, I have to agree to a point. I have no sympathy for the regular person who bitches about being overweight. All it takes is wanting to lose weight more than you want to eat alot and be lazy. That's it. It's your fault so deal with it (unless you're one of the few with an actual medical reason). I do however feel sympathy (empathy even) with people being treated badly for being overweight. There's no call for it, it's not right, and it shouldn't happen. Ever.

[SirBruce]

You know Bruce, I'm fairly positive that if you responded in the same way you expected others to, you'd have no issues on this board. Food for thought.

I do.  Think about that.

Bruce

[Rodent]

If someone wants to live a lifestyle that will kill them at 32 that's up to them. It's their life, their decision, and there's nothing wrong with that. Sure there's something wrong with being fat if you want to live a long life, but that's a problem for the individual, not everybody with an oppinion.

That would be true if it wasn't for the little thing called society we're all forced to co-exist in. The problem for the few more often then not becomes the problem for the many. In the western world obesity, smoking, drinking etc. has become a huge strain on nations economies and work force.

On a sidenote, I think they should just make the damn shirts in 4XL or whatever the size was.

[SirBruce]

In the western world obesity, smoking, drinking etc. has become a huge strain on nations economies and work force.

But this implies you have some "right" to my economic productivity, to benefit yourself from my labor and my work, such that you should be allowed some control over it.  You don't.  That would be Communism.

You SHOULD have the right, of course, not to have to pay for my resultant health care costs and unemployment.  Sadly, the Democrats say you MUST pay for it.  Thus, by forcing you to pay for it, they increase the incentive for you to believe you should have such control over other people's behavior, by turning an indirect cost into a more direct one.

Bruce

[Signe]

Can't you just take 2 XXL shirts, cut them up one side and stitch them together?  Of course you can.  There.  Problem fucking solved.  

Someone please lock this horrible thread.

[Merusk]

In the western world obesity, smoking, drinking etc. has become a huge strain on nations economies and work force.

But this implies you have some "right" to my economic productivity, to benefit yourself from my labor and my work, such that you should be allowed some control over it.  You don't.  That would be Communism.

Yeah, but I should be allowed, as an employer, to fire you if your productivity slips enough that it's an issue for me & my profits. An employer having rights to my productivity isn't communism.  The state having that right is.  Currently though, firing an 'unproductive' employee  due to their health isn't lawful.  Obesity is one of those health issues covered.

You SHOULD have the right, of course, not to have to pay for my resultant health care costs and unemployment.  Sadly, the Democrats say you MUST pay for it.  Thus, by forcing you to pay for it, they increase the incentive for you to believe you should have such control over other people's behavior, by turning an indirect cost into a more direct one.

Yeah, those damn dirty Democrats what with their ownership of every single insurance company operating in the U.S.   Oh wait, no they don't.   Speak to the specifics.

  As the nation gets fatter we will all pay for it out of our pockets, even if Medicaid, Medicare, disability and unemployment dissapeared right now.   Heart disease (primarily related to weight and eating habits) is soon to become the #1 cause of death in the country.  Go us.

[SirBruce]

In the western world obesity, smoking, drinking etc. has become a huge strain on nations economies and work force.

But this implies you have some "right" to my economic productivity, to benefit yourself from my labor and my work, such that you should be allowed some control over it.  You don't.  That would be Communism.

Yeah, but I should be allowed, as an employer, to fire you if your productivity slips enough that it's an issue for me & my profits. An employer having rights to my productivity isn't communism.  The state having that right is.

Agreeed, but this doesn't change my point.  The employer-employee relationship is strictly contractual.

Currently though, firing an 'unproductive' employee  due to their health isn't lawful.  Obesity is one of those health issues covered.

Yep.  Damn Democrats again.

You SHOULD have the right, of course, not to have to pay for my resultant health care costs and unemployment.  Sadly, the Democrats say you MUST pay for it.  Thus, by forcing you to pay for it, they increase the incentive for you to believe you should have such control over other people's behavior, by turning an indirect cost into a more direct one.

Yeah, those damn dirty Democrats what with their ownership of every single insurance company operating in the U.S.   Oh wait, no they don't.   Speak to the specifics.

Insurance has nothing to do with it.  We're talking about nationalized health care and related systems.  Insurance is purely voluntary.

As the nation gets fatter we will all pay for it out of our pockets, even if Medicaid, Medicare, disability and unemployment dissapeared right now.   Heart disease (primarily related to weight and eating habits) is soon to become the #1 cause of death in the country.  Go us.

We pay for it in the direct cost if one measures society by its overall  productivity, sure, but the same is true of all rights.  There are negative affects to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, trial by jury, etc.  We accept these things not because of their efficacy, but because of their morality, and, perhaps, with the hope that taken together as a whole, society is "better" when someone has the freedom to be fat, even if that means that fat people aren't as economically desirable.

Bruce

[Margalis]

Stupidity is a big drain on the economy as well...

There is a difference between saying that being overweight is bad in general for a variety of reasons and just ripping into overweight people.

[WindupAtheist]

If someone is gonna die young because of their love of cheeseburgers and hatred of moving around too much, I'm gonna laugh my ass off because that's bloody pathetic.  Period.

Hey SirBruce, my brother quit WW2OL specifically because of what a dick you were being on the boards.

[Abagadro]

If you actually look at the costs associated with Medicaid/Medicare, the biggest costs are associated with smoking related illnesses, bad/nonexistent preventative care for the poor and people being really fucking old.  Please continue with your stupd rant though.

[SirBruce]

If someone is gonna die young because of their love of cheeseburgers and hatred of moving around too much, I'm gonna laugh my ass off because that's bloody pathetic.  Period.

Hey SirBruce, my brother quit WW2OL specifically because of what a dick you were being on the boards.

Good.  He's obviously too stupid to play.

Bruce

[Lum]

It's good to see that every message board thread on the Internet is still about SirBruce.

[Margalis]

I said some people only understand a punch in the face - thanks for the illustration. Making Bruce look good is hard but you're doing a great job of it.

*Bruce* is being a dick on boards? Like I said before, some people would benefit if they took a small break from mudslinging and glanced in the mirror for a second or two. Or at least, read the first paragraph of your own post.

Bruce is a troll - you're just an idiot.

Edit: This thread is like a honeypot collecting all the retarded bees in one place. There is more small-mindedness and stupidity in this thread than I've seen in a long time.

If someone is gonna die young because of their love of cheeseburgers and hatred of moving around too much, I'm gonna laugh my ass off because that's bloody pathetic.  Period.

Hey SirBruce, my brother quit WW2OL specifically because of what a dick you were being on the boards.

[stray]

Edit: This thread is like a honeypot collecting all the retarded bees in one place. There is more small-mindedness and stupidity in this thread than I've seen in a long time.

Since this thread will probably get locked soon, I'd just like to point out that I haven't made any bad comments about obesity and xxxxl t-shirts. I was only here to question Bruce. Whether or not that still qualifies me as retarded is up for debate, I guess. But small-minded or devoid of compassion? That I am not.
 
Just so you know...

[WindupAtheist]

Bruce is a troll - you're just an idiot.

Oink, oink oink.  Are you one of the fatties?  I can't remember and won't be bothered to scroll up the thread again.

I'm an asshole and I don't like you.

[DarkDryad]

what society has thrown at them because of the image of perfection

This has nothing to do with the stupid idea of perfection. This has to do with health.

Acctually health is a relative thing. Yes I'm overweight. I wear a 4 x but im also 6'2" I wear a 4xlt  because I like a little room in my shirts I can wear a 2x but its tight and a 3x fits ok i just happen to like a lot of room in my shirt.

Back on health. I went to the doctor the other day and Id wager my BP cholesterol levels, etc etc would be as good as yours if not better. In the doctors words "I have patients who jog 6 miles a day whos vitals and cholesterol levels are worse than yours"

Granted Im not able to loose weight very easily due to a Thyroid condition But dont assume someone who is overweight is in poor health as I go to the gym and lift engine blocks on a daily basis.

[Paelos]

It's good to see that every message board thread on the Internet is still about SirBruce.

I keep hoping one day the mods here will wake up and ban him, but that would probably halve the postcount per day.

Note to Mod Squad: He's becoming worse and less coherent by the day, pull the damn plug already.

[Shockeye]

It's good to see that every message board thread on the Internet is still about SirBruce.

I keep hoping one day the mods here will wake up and ban him, but that would probably halve the postcount per day.

Note to Mod Squad: He's becoming worse and less coherent by the day, pull the damn plug already.

If we ban Bruce on your say-so, we will ban you as well. Leave it up to the mods to decide when to ban someone, please.

[Paelos]

If we ban Bruce on your say-so, we will ban you as well. Leave it up to the mods to decide when to ban someone, please.

I'll just wait until he posts pics of himself in a tiger suit then.

[Shockeye]

If we ban Bruce on your say-so, we will ban you as well. Leave it up to the mods to decide when to ban someone, please.

I'll just wait until he posts pics of himself in a tiger suit then.

It will either earn him a ban or else his own picture gallery. Not sure which one yet. I guess it'll depend on the lighting and how much air-brushing is involved.

[Signe]

I am not against sacraficing Paelos to have Bruce banned.

[Paelos]

I am not against sacraficing Paelos to have Bruce banned.

Merry Christmas to you too.

[CmdrSlack]

It's good to see that every message board thread on the Internet is still about SirBruce.

I keep hoping one day the mods here will wake up and ban him, but that would probably halve the postcount per day.

Note to Mod Squad: He's becoming worse and less coherent by the day, pull the damn plug already.

If we ban Bruce on your say-so, we will ban you as well. Leave it up to the mods to decide when to ban someone, please.

Heh, I guess the ban lotto from the old site stays at the old site, eh?

[Margalis]

Bruce is a troll - you're just an idiot.

Oink, oink oink.  Are you one of the fatties?  I can't remember and won't be bothered to scroll up the thread again.

Lazy and stupid, nice combo you got going.

[schild]

Oink, oink oink.  Are you one of the fatties?  I can't remember and won't be bothered to scroll up the thread again.

I'm an asshole and I don't like you.

When did you completely lose it?

[sidereal]

Best thread evar.

Shame on you all les peoples who started out laughing about Mr. Fatty McFatFats and then had the temerity to pretend 2 pages later that it was all because you're genuinely concerned about his health and its deleterious effect on health insurance costs and if you had his number you'd call him up and give him a shoulder to cry on and the number of your personal trainer.  At least schild is staying on script.  Christ, if you're going to make fun of someone, just do it and live with yourself.  You don't have to turn it into social commentary.

[HaemishM]

I'm an asshole, and proud of it. I made fun of Mr. 4XXXL because I'm an asshole and I think it's hilarious. He is just some random fatty on a message board to me; I know nothing about his life but what he's told me, that he needs a t-shirt larger than Blizzard offers and he is angry.

Fine. I call on him to cancel his account and never buy a Blizzard product again? If he can't do that, my jokes about his weight mean nothing.

Fat jokes are mean to fat people. I'm fine with that. Stupid jokes are mean to stupid people. Jokes about furries are done at their expense.

Humor is almost always about having fun at someone else's expense. I'm ok with that too.

Had I made the jokes to his face, I'm sure I could have expected a bust in the chops, and I'm ok with that one too.

[Paelos]

Best thread evar.

Shame on you all les peoples who started out laughing about Mr. Fatty McFatFats and then had the temerity to pretend 2 pages later that it was all because you're genuinely concerned about his health and its deleterious effect on health insurance costs and if you had his number you'd call him up and give him a shoulder to cry on and the number of your personal trainer.  At least schild is staying on script.  Christ, if you're going to make fun of someone, just do it and live with yourself.  You don't have to turn it into social commentary.

It was Friday and we were bored. Anything can become a social issue at that point.

[WindupAtheist]

Oink, oink oink.  Are you one of the fatties?  I can't remember and won't be bothered to scroll up the thread again.

I'm an asshole and I don't like you.

When did you completely lose it?

I'll settle down to a reasonable level of coherency in order to... say... smite you for not loving the holy goodness that is WoW.  But a thread like this is just the online equivalent of throwing rocks at the retarded kid anyway, so why bother with the civility?