Neverwinter Nights Online. (Cryptic Studios)

[Phred]

Or, banning is what they learned.

But, but, people shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their actions. It's so unfair.

[Phred]

So for Astral Diamonds so far I've figured out I have to:

1) Do the daily foundry quest
2) Do the daily deity thing and the hourly if I can
3) Play the Auction House game Nope

Anything else I'm missing?

Run a dungeon/ skirmish/ foundry mission when the hour special is going.  It can be even more efficient if you make it the daily at the same time.

Also level up some leadership chars to do the escort mission. 200 ad per run and you can do it offline

[Stormwaltz]

I tried using Gateway. They haveonee of those facile and obnoxious one-time code dealies on it. But it won't actually email me the one time code, so I can't log in. 

[Phred]

The CMs are saying that legit farms aren't going to be harmed... so guess what the Foundry browser will be filled next!

I Just vote them down myself. I Could care less about what others do in games. Someone wants to rush to 60, more speed to them.
One thing the foundry search lacks, is group size.

One problem with that is you can't vote on something you don't complete. I don't think I'd want to do one of those farm maps to completion just to add my rating.

[Phred]

I tried using Gateway. They haveonee of those facile and obnoxious one-time code dealies on it. But it won't actually email me the one time code, so I can't log in. 

I've done it on 4 accounts and it worked every time so I'd guess it's on your end. Check your spam folder, blah, blah. Usual mail problem checklist.

[Malakili]

*eyes Malakai's pirate hat with envy...a murderous envy*

Also, YARR!

[koro]

For AD, I also recommend selling tradeskill-generated people on the AH. It's kind of like a slave market.

Wait... you can sell those?

[bhodi]

Yep. Open up the coin tab of your inventory, they're on the bottom. Drag to the window, profit!

[koro]

 

[tmp]

Or, banning is what they learned.

But, but, people shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their actions. It's so unfair.

It's unfair when you punish them for guessing wrong whether some particular action the game allowed them to take just like any other action... actually wasn't allowed. "They should know better" becomes a weak justification when the creators of the game themselves apparently either didn't, or didn't care enough to address the issue in advance.

[Mrbloodworth]

Or, banning is what they learned.

But, but, people shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their actions. It's so unfair.

It's unfair when you punish them for guessing wrong whether some particular action the game allowed them to take just like any other action... actually wasn't allowed. "They should know better" becomes a weak justification when the creators of the game themselves apparently either didn't, or didn't care enough to address the issue in advance.

Dude. Common sense.

[tmp]

My common sense tells me "dude, who cares?" when I tell it "But people are leveling their characters fast!".

[Bzalthek]

No, Mr. Bloodworth.  It's a wild fucking guess!

[Mrbloodworth]

You guys are crazy if you need spelled out so you can pick it apart "Do not do this" for a clearly exploitative use of a tool set that disallows creatures to fight back. Every single part of this is blatantly not in the spirit of the game, its tools or intent.

You ( They ) are not looking for a explanation, you are looking for a justification and written loopholes you can point back to when your sad "gamer" ass gets banned.

[kildorn]

It is pretty common sense that making a box full of chain spawning mobs who can't fight back is probably not legit.

There is a grey area for fights that might wind up being too easy where you could question if it was intentional or not. But a box of chained mobs who can't fight back isn't it.

What surprises me is that it works. Every time I get a mob in a position where it can't fight back for any reason they do the whole purple question mark thing and heal to full.

[Phred]

So what is the chat channel name? I see f13 is taken by f13.cc whatever that is.
And ya it must be real rocket science to figure out that mass slaughtering mobs in a box where they can't reach you is wrong. Always someone leaps to the defense of the poor exploiters. Why is that? I can think of better candidates for white knighting.

[bhodi]

There is some hilarity starting to come out with this game. There are numerous problems with known solutions in this genre that the game has not addressed. The fact you can roll for need even when you can't use an item was mentioned above. Powerleveling with the foundry is another. Giving rewards to win or loss in battlegrounds, having no afk timeout = people going AFK in battlegrounds. You can also kick people from your battlegrounds group if you're the leader to make it end faster.

The latest is an absolute riot; they are using the same flawed squelch system that was in champions online, the one that has several articles written about how bad and easily abused it is. When someone reports you, a token goes on your account. These tokens have no expiration date. If you're reported for spam, you get two tokens. When you get 6 tokens, you're completely squelched for 24 hours and are unable to talk in any channel including guilds and are unable to message anybody. This means that with 5 friends and a chosen target, you can force anyone out of the social aspect of the game for a day. With no repercussions. Repeatedly.

I get that there's to be some code re-use expected, but come on. I think Cryptic is actually trolling people, though. The $200 set is filled with things that seem to have no use other than to troll people. A cloak that makes worthless items to fill up inventory space, in a game where inventory space is at a premium and bags cost real money to buy. A mount that can be positioned over NPCs so people can't click on them. It's pretty funny.

There are a number of bugs and unintended consequence stuff cropping up, like creating throwaway accounts, leveling to 10 (takes about an hour with a rogue), doing the 15 second creation of profession people and then transfering them to your main, then selling them at the AH. The standard new market AH manipulations are making people millions of AD. There was a bug with a quest that allowed people to get to level 60 in an hour that was patched this morning. Meanwhile GMs are busy playing whack-a-mole with the 'Ogre Spiker 3000' maps that crop up multiple times an hour until they finally just nerfed foundry XP into the ground, also this morning.

I'd say it's just flat clownshoes, but it's doubly so because it's the same shit that every MMO that's come out in the last decade has publicly faced. Of course, I really don't care, I still find it fun to casually pew pew. I suspect it's not good for the overall long-term health of the game, though!

[Zetor]

Yeah, I posted about that chat thing a page or two ago. Clownshoes abound!

About the foundry nerf... it looks like they're going down the same path COH did (and I assume the STO foundry): an endless cat-and-mouse game of nerfs against the farmers that'll only result in 'normal' story quests getting hurt. NB: I'm talking about "legitimate" farms here, where the mobs can actually fight back.

[Mrbloodworth]

Who uses chat in game anymore in a guild? As for the foundry changes:

This is specifically related to unique scenarios where it was possible to gain more experience than intended. Shouldn't affect normal Foundry missions. - dezstravus dministrator

Source

As for the 'Ogre Spiker 3000', I see more legit content than those. I suspect the accounts that they are the most common are exaggeration. " Giving rewards to win or loss in battlegrounds" This is a problem?    Also, I just got AFK kicked last night while making a sandwich.

I Smell more of a witch hunt in some of thees posts.

[Druzil]

So for Astral Diamonds so far I've figured out I have to:

1) Do the daily foundry quest
2) Do the daily deity thing and the hourly if I can
3) Play the Auction House game Nope

Anything else I'm missing?

Why is play the auction house not a valid option?

It's a perfectly valid option, I just don't find buying all the orc toenails at 32AD and reselling them at their true market value of 35AD for hours on end fun.  I'm sure some people enjoy it though.

[tmp]

It is pretty common sense that making a box full of chain spawning mobs who can't fight back is probably not legit.

What surprises me is that it works. Every time I get a mob in a position where it can't fight back for any reason they do the whole purple question mark thing and heal to full.

So, the game actually has anti-exploit code in it, that works in some situations, but when it for whatever reason doesn't engage i'm supposed to presume that no, it can't be possibly just working as intended, according to its design guidelines i'm not privy to?

That's not common sense, but battered EQ spouse mentality. "The game doesn't make me punch myself in a dick when I play it for a change, i'm clearly doing something that's not allowed and wrong!"

[Fordel]

Not sure if serious.

[Mrbloodworth]

It is pretty common sense that making a box full of chain spawning mobs who can't fight back is probably not legit.

What surprises me is that it works. Every time I get a mob in a position where it can't fight back for any reason they do the whole purple question mark thing and heal to full.

So, the game actually has anti-exploit code in it, that works in some situations, but when it for whatever reason doesn't engage i'm supposed to presume that no, it can't be possibly just working as intended, according to its design guidelines i'm not privy to?

That's not common sense, but battered EQ spouse mentality. "The game doesn't make me punch myself in a dick when I play it for a change, i'm clearly doing something that's not allowed and wrong!"

You got banned didn't you. Hunting for justification. "Do not exploit" is in every EULA ever.

[Cheddar]

So what is the chat channel name? I see f13 is taken by f13.cc whatever that is.
And ya it must be real rocket science to figure out that mass slaughtering mobs in a box where they can't reach you is wrong. Always someone leaps to the defense of the poor exploiters. Why is that? I can think of better candidates for white knighting.

We are on Mindflayer- psuedo official f13 channel is Bat Country.

We are getting adopted by Lantyssa's guild.  They seem to have an obsession with cod pieces and David Bowie; otherwise a nice bunch.

edit.  Maybe someone should start a seperate thread for character names or something.  Not sure if there is enough interest to beg for a seperate forum.

[tmp]

Not sure if serious.

Not entirely; I've played these games long enough that yes, the dick punching feels expected and natural, but at the same time I've grown older and lazy to the point when I stop and ask myself, "but dear gods, why?" On some level i'm questioning my own beliefs/practices here.

Seriously, if someone can level up in the game easily, and they do that -- well, they did it because it's pretty clearly the way they preferred to play it. If they'd preferred to take it slow, they would've taken it slow. Why should anyone give a fuck which route was picked?

(and no, haven't played the game yet, let alone get banned. Though it sounds increasingly like clusterfuck amusing enough to check it out

[Fordel]

I'm not sure giant mob grinders or whatever they did count as merely 'easy' 


Though I do love them in Minecraft!

[ezrast]

In a game with no worldiness, why is a player grinding a farm to cap any worse than me downloading a god-mode mod for Skyrim? In terms of its effect on you, is it different from powerlevling by playing 16 hours a day or buying experience boosts?

[Mrbloodworth]

Not sure if serious.

Not entirely; I've played these games long enough that yes, the dick punching feels expected and natural, but at the same time I've grown older and lazy to the point when I stop and ask myself, "but dear gods, why?" On some level i'm questioning my own beliefs/practices here.

Seriously, if someone can level up in the game easily, and they do that -- well, they did it because it's pretty clearly the way they preferred to play it. If they'd preferred to take it slow, they would've taken it slow. Why should anyone give a fuck which route was picked?

(and no, haven't played the game yet, let alone get banned. Though it sounds increasingly like clusterfuck amusing enough to check it out

You don't know what you are talking about. Its about exploits, not short missions, or leveling though the foundry.

In a game with no worldiness, why is a player grinding a farm to cap any worse than me downloading a god-mode mod for Skyrim? In terms of its effect on you, is it different from powerlevling by playing 16 hours a day or buying experience boosts?

Skyrim does not have an economy and an Auction house.

[Cheddar]

(and no, haven't played the game yet, let alone get banned. Though it sounds increasingly like clusterfuck amusing enough to check it out

It is surprsingly fun.  It shouldn't be- but it is.  I enjoy the dungeons and combat aspects.

[bhodi]

Who uses chat in game anymore in a guild?

Who uses guild chat or any public channels or private messaging? Is this a joke? Anyone who is not sitting on mumble/vent/a third party program, which is almost everybody.

Giving rewards to win or loss in battlegrounds" This is a problem?    Also, I just got AFK kicked last night while making a sandwich.

It's a problem if you don't also add in an anti-idle mechanic, because it gives incentive to actually go AFK in a battleground rather than just being a dick and so the practice becomes much more widespread. The standard 15 minute timeout rule still applies but is wildly insufficient as most battlegrounds end around the 15 minutes mark.

[Mrbloodworth]

No, its not a joke. It's got VOIP built in. optionally. Seriously, your are bitching about a text chat system in a free game. In 2013. I know for a fact F13 has a VOIP server. When was the last time you joined some random PUG guild? So your issue is not that rewards are given, but that the AFK system is to long in one scenario. Kinda easy to rectify. But lets burn/bitch it down anyway!

[Ingmar]

Most of the people I know don't use voice chat for anything but stuff like raids, and even then most of them are listen-only.

[Rasix]

I've managed to play MMOs with no working mic since.. forever.  Shit, I even raided (casually) and no one gave a shit.  I think they preferred it. 

[Cheddar]

I have too large a family to bother with voice.  Unless I lock myself in another room with a poop sock.

There lies madness.  

[Mrbloodworth]

Jesus, OK then. Must be a MMO thing. Point being, its a free game, your lucky your not paying 5$ to use the chat.