Neverwinter Nights Online. (Cryptic Studios)

[koro]

I think the biggest thing about Neverwinter's pricing is that it feels so backward. Stuff that is priced at luxury levels in other MMOs - character slots, renames, appearance changes - are surprisingly cheap, while things people consider necessities - bag slots, respecs, mounts - are given luxury pricing instead.

But really, the more of this I play, the more I just want to go back and play Baldur's Gate or NWN1/2 instead.

[Numtini]

None of the prices seem too weird to me. I think the pricing of required items at higher prices is essentially "the box price" equivalent. What it gets down to for me is I can play the thing using the cash shop, which puts it way ahead of the pack of US based games like SOEs where there's a poison pill forcing you to subscribe and you still end up buying crap in the cash shop.

I'm casual though. I rarely if ever have more than one character that's more than dabbling, so for me outfitting isn't that bad. I have a friend who has an entire stable of like 9 top level raid-ready characters in WoW. This game would bankrupt her.

[Merusk]

So much of that rant was boiled down to "This isn't WoW" I'd love to see him play any of the other also-not-wow games that came out recently for amusement.

Oh, I've gotten a few bags as drops while questing. So there's that at least.  

I do believe Astral Coins are the single most dickish daily mechanic I've ever seen in an MMO. You get one for praying every day. So far, so good. You lose ALL of them if you fail to pray for a 24 hour period.

I'm not entirely sure what they're used for yet, I'm just terribly amused at a currency that deletes itself if you dare take a day at the beach.

It's been covered you get 2 coins for your first invoke of the day. One that never goes away and the ones you're talking about, the celestial coins. You cap at 7 of them, max gives a chest with a bunch of rank 4 or 5 enchantments.   The 5-coin one is a better expendeture, it has crafting mats.  3 is potions and 1 is a 'party popper.  Nothing terrible but you do feel like crap if you miss a day and were trying to save-up for a 5 or 7 token item.

It seems like many of you are looking for the "next big thing."  This isn't it. It's a F2P RPG game it was NEVER going to be that and the rants and moans are kinda funny.  It's pretty good for the genre it's in, it's not trying to compete with your AAA $15 a month games that ALSO have cash shops.  

[Signe]

NWN okay.  I find it fun.  I like Tera, too, more than this game mainly because of the combat which I find unusually fun.  I like the combat in NWN, too, but there are a lot of other things that irk me about the game.  Not the least is the psychedelic light show my laptop turns in to while playing.  And Drew is wrong about the voices.  They're not "meh".  They are really Really REALLY bad!

[koro]

I have the NPC voices muted, so it's blissfully quiet for me.

That said, I literally shudder whenever I make a new character and have to hear "LOOG OUTITSADRAGOLIK".

[Phred]

Just picked up a good tip from general chat. (OMG!!)
type /gfxsetdefaultFOV XX to mess with FOV. By default it's 50 which is a bit tight. I like 60-70 myself. No need to remember this as it sets the game permanently to whatever you set it at.

[Goumindong]

NWN okay.  I find it fun.  I like Tera, too, more than this game mainly because of the combat which I find unusually fun.  I like the combat in NWN, too, but there are a lot of other things that irk me about the game.  Not the least is the psychedelic light show my laptop turns in to while playing.  And Drew is wrong about the voices.  They're not "meh".  They are really Really REALLY bad!

They should be fixing that. The idea was that you would get mood lighting in different areas but it wasn't complete by the time they went to beta.

Also, for people who are looking to save a bit of time. Its probably faster to level someone up to 10 than it is to create new professionals for you. So if you're looking for a way to get those 18 hours grinds out, level a dude up to 10, grab all the professions and mail them over (or attempt to sell them for astral diamonds)

[Signe]

TIPS!!!  I love tips.  Thanks.   

[Lantyssa]

If two individuals on Mindflayer could contact @Lantyssa today, I'd appreciate it.  We're trying to form a guild and Ard has already offered to help fill a slot.  You can stay in if you'd like, but I don't know if it'll be all that active besides Vu and myself.

[Bzalthek]

I can help out, I'm not very active or social, but I'm a decent doorstop!

[Goumindong]

I will add myself into that. Do i need to log on or can i just send a mail?

[Sjofn]

And Drew is wrong about the voices.  They're not "meh".  They are really Really REALLY bad!

For real.

[Signe]

I'll contact you too.  And thank you to Numtini for starting a Bat Country channel since F13 was taken.  I completely forgot!

[koro]

So my Rogue is fucked. I just hit level 10, and all my stats reset to 0. All of them. Putting 1 point back into Dex and Cha is actually giving me a penalty to the stuff they govern. Relogging does not help.

[Bzalthek]

Hah "You may not send a private messages until at least one character on your account has reached level 15, you have purchased a Founder's Pack, or you have transferred Zen into the game."

[Fabricated]

I'm enjoying just dinking around in it and playing stuff on the foundry. Every time I try to do anything past killing mans however the game smashes me in the face with the cash-shop connected shit.

[Zetor]

So apparently the chat ban system from Champs/STO is in NW. Basically, if a certain number of people ignore you (or 'report spam'), you actually become completely muted for 24 hours -- can't use tells, gchat, in-game mail, nothing. I assume this system was established to combat gold sellers, but in a F2P game the results can be... different. In Champs this was used by griefers to break up RPer events by mass-ignoring the pariticipants, silence rival sellers in trade chat, or just plain decide to shut someone up for a day if they didn't like his/her face.

Whenever you get ignored in the game, it puts a "demerit" on your account that does not go away. It doesn't have to be X amount of ignores in a short span of time. You can get ignored today, tomorrow, next week, next year. When you hit the magic number, you can't chat, at all, for 24 hours.

You know that "Report Spam" selection when you right click someone's name? That's like a super-ignore that grants extra demerits. Meant to be used only on Gold Sellers, but nobody is ever told that.

How do they exploit it? Let's say you start talking in zone chat about how people who make their characters named Drizzt Do'Urden are uncreative and stupid. Drizzt Do'Urden@sampleplayer sees this, tells his guild to Report Spam on you or just Ignore you, and suddenly you can't talk for a day.

It's completely exploitable, and in my experience, no one ever gets punished for exploiting it. I've known people who got a 24 hour chat ban DURING his 24 hour chat ban. Red flags, anyone? That shouldn't be possible. But since it's a player-run system, it is. No GM involvement whatsoever.

Also, contacting a GM won't help you. They'll say that's how the system works, and that's that. Wait out your time. Have fun having all your friends who send you private messages thinking you're ignoring them.

Edit: Apparently that last paragraph might not be the case in this game.

Obviously I didn't test this (as ignorer or ignoree), but is this really as bad as these guys claim, or is it just Champs drama spilling over to NW?

[Shannow]

Ive got  to agree with a previous poster, this feels very much like an action rpg. I can see the only long lasting fun from this game coming from playing in groups.

[Signe]

If we get a big enough guild together we can make everyone in Zone chat stfu.  That would be awesomely awesome.  Also, you can give away keys!  Just not sell them.  Someone gave me some keys!  I opened a purple box.  There was a pile of shit inside.

[Mrbloodworth]

Foundry Quest: The Cragsteep Crypts.

Do it.

[Cheddar]

Downloading now.  There a particular server F13 peeps are on?

[Goumindong]

Mindflayer i think

[Lantyssa]

Got our little guild going.  Thanks for the help y'all.

[Bzalthek]

If we get a big enough guild together we can make everyone in Zone chat stfu.  That would be awesomely awesome.  Also, you can give away keys!  Just not sell them.  Someone gave me some keys!  I opened a purple box.  There was a pile of shit inside.

Yeah, all you need is like 6 people and you can 24 hour temp ban people from chatting

Edit: As zetor apparently pointed out much earlier!

[Mrbloodworth]

Who uses chat in MMO's? 

[Cheddar]

Rolled a character (literally) - named "Cheddar."

Have no idea what is going on.  Made a two handed great sword demon guy.

[Bzalthek]

Yeah, my Half-Orc GWF is "Bzalthek" as well.  Just did my first Skirmish, was pretty cool, though took a while before enough people started it.

[Cheddar]

I want to echo whoever compared it to Guild Wars 2- it feels like the fun is on accident.  I hate the cities.

I kinda want to roll a cleric but am worried of being lumped into group only mode.  Altars in dungeons are driving me nuts!

[Azuredream]

I'm enjoying this game, for now- stickiness pending. The Foundry is beyond cool.

[koro]

I want to echo whoever compared it to Guild Wars 2- it feels like the fun is on accident.  I hate the cities.

I kinda want to roll a cleric but am worried of being lumped into group only mode.  Altars in dungeons are driving me nuts!

I'll just say as someone who has a Cleric in the late 20s, it is practically impossible to be a healbot even if you wanted to. Clerics also have pretty nutso DPS; mine's frequently first or second in damage, depending on how many Rogues and Great Weapon Fighters the group has.

[Goumindong]

Crafting things that aren't leadership is kinda tedious. Not the time it takes to progress just the fact that there are no 1 hour crafts. Everything(besides very inefficient stuff) is under 30 minutes which makes it very annoying to actually progress your skill

[Signe]

I hate the cities, too.  They're way too crowded and make me long for open, unrestricted PvP in the cities.  I couldn't tolerate until I turned off player names and zone chat.  I can't figure out a way to turn off "admin".  Why the fuck should I care what someone I don't know purchased?  Is it supposed to make me so jealous that I rush out and give them my ex-husbands hard earned alimony?  NO.  It's the equivalent of pop up ads that I never click on.  

[Merusk]

Notice to folks hitting 30!

Skip the level 30 dungeon until they announce a nerf or tweak.  When you start fighting demons you'll see they're a pain in the ass and a half. In particular the warlock mobs that spam a fast-firing spike from the ground that knocks you down.  The teleporting demons aren't hard but they have a ton of hitpoints. Then there's the Erinenyes.  Hard-hitting, a ton of hit points and all their damage animations seem very fast.

Well, the last boss of the level 30 dungeon is a green dragon. Poison breath, aoe damage, hotspots on the floor.  Rough fight as it is... and then it has adds of all 3 of the above demons 3-4 at a time plus swarms of imps that stun you.  That's rough enough as it is. My group was doing ok with it, struggling but slowly whittling-down the boss despite several of us falling a few times during the fight. (Love the 'anyone can battle rez' group mechanics)

Well, when you hit 10-15% on the boss he summons a mini-boss elite demon.  In addition to all the other shit still spawning and having to deal with the dragon.  We died hard and fast after that.   

Time to do all that and then fail? 20 mins.  For one boss.  I'm not exaggerating, I invoked before we started the fight and when I respawned I had 40m left on the invoke.  That's some serious bullshit for 1) a leveling dungeon and 2) a PUG-situation.  Don't even try it right now.

[koro]

I can't figure out a way to turn off "admin".

You can't. 

At least it's not quite as bad as when STO first introduced lockboxes, where you'd have a chat window spammed with lockbox win messages every couple of seconds for hours at a time. It actually drove me to quit the game the first time. I never went back until they implemented a way to disable that.

[Nija]

Okay. What do you do in this game if you make the mistake of making your first char a trickster rogue? Are any of the other classes near this good? This is going to get nerfed into oblivion, right? What should I make INSTEAD of a trickster rogue, that actually plays pretty well? I see so few guardians. The 2h sword dude seems pretty shitty. (as I demolish them in PVP in the 19 and under bracket, even when I was level 10.)

I'm thinking guardian or cleric, just so I can group later on. Rogue is amazing, but it's making my nerfing spidey sense tingle too much.