PlayStation 2 games

[Azazel]

1. If <game> is pretty much identical on PS3 and 360, except the 360 version on disc comes with a bunch of DLC levels and content and shit you can't and will never(?) get on PS3, then the 360 version of the game is superior then.

2. So controls Schild doesn't like are ok if a game is only available with those controls? A better game isn't good enough if it's also available with controls that Schild prefers? Look, you and I are in agreement on KB&M > Thumbsticks, but are we still the majority on f13?

3. No, I said I don't own a PS3. I'm advocating good games that are on PS3 (or whatever) get included even if they're also on PC.

4. Point mostly taken, though there are very much a lot of games out there that are so much better suited to a console than to KB&M. Fighting/Racing games, things like Assassin's Creed, etc. Street Fighter is available on Steam now, for example.

5. I got confused between the 2 PS3 FPS franchises. FPS on consoles are I don't own are a bit interchangable to me anyway.  

6. So answer this one at least. Games that are pretty much identical on 2 different consoles while also being great on both go on both lists?


Rasix - I've considered buying L4D on my 360 as a game to play co-op when my friends come over on the big screen, since my other PCs (and their PCs) won't run it and the online people I can connect to through Steam are predominantly random douchebags (Steam's L4D server matching, etc is pretty shithouse). As you said, context.

Your points suck.

1. Having all the DLC on one disc doesn't make the DLC a game. The game is Fallout 3. The game is Team Fortress 2. The game is Grand Theft Auto IV. These aren't lists of best mods or best DLC. If you want to make those, go ahead, but that's not what these are. So stop being a fruitbag. Deliberately obtuse. Right. You're trying to redefine a game, gtfo with that crap.

2. If Resistance was on the PC, guess where I'd have played it. God, what a terrible argument. I don't even want to acknowledge it furthr.

3. Grats on owning all 3 consoles. You're devil's advocating for people who don't own a PC. Just because we would - in almost every case - as a site - recommend it as the preferred version, why would we add it to the other lists. We're not damning the other versions by not including them. Stop being a carebear. You can't hurt their feelings. They're games. They don't have emotion.

4. It absolutely is about being myopic, numbnuts. This is a list for f13 - not some megasite like IGN. You know, f13? A site where 99% of the people will play a freaking MMOG over the best console game of the year. A site where when a controller is opted for, over a keyboard and mouse when available, means you're either A) Broke, B) Daft, or C) Tasteless, D) Bad at Games, or E) all of the above? I'm not slighting us for that, it's part of what makes us special. No matter how you slice this crap, you really are trying to please everyone, you need to not do that, it's impossible.

PS I gave up Killzone 2 in disgust, I just haven't had time to finish Resistance 2 because other stuff that's more shiny to me keeps distracting me. Do try to keep up.

[schild]

1. If <game> is pretty much identical on PS3 and 360, except the 360 version on disc comes with a bunch of DLC levels and content and shit you can't and will never(?) get on PS3, then the 360 version of the game is superior then.

Look, if you want to come up with a 1 in 100 situation where you can win the argument, go ahead. I wash my hands of your stupidity.

6. So answer this one at least. Games that are pretty much identical on 2 different consoles while also being great on both go on both lists?

How would you know? You don't own a PS3.

[Rasix]

Rasix - I've considered buying L4D on my 360 as a game to play co-op when my friends come over on the big screen, since my other PCs (and their PCs) won't run it and the online people I can connect to through Steam are predominantly random douchebags (Steam's L4D server matching, etc is pretty shithouse). As you said, context.

So, this is all about you.  OK.

[Yegolev]

/dickslap

[Yegolev]

I forgot about Mark of Kri.  I need to finish that one.  The stealth-murder mechanic might be done better on more modern games.
God of War, maybe the sequel also.
I liked Twisted Metal: Black a great deal, but I think I'm not agreed with by the regulars.

This basically covers what I own.  There are a handful of must-have games that I haven't gotten around to acquiring, but I can't remember what any of them are just now.

[ezrast]

Guilty Gear XX Accent Core. Probably other fighting games.

Maybe Devil May Cry 3?

[stray]

2 pages, and this thread is already very longwinded. 


zee ps2 is probably the best console ever though.

[Dion]

2 pages, and this thread is already very longwinded. 


zee ps2 is probably the best console ever though.

Most of it isn't about the PS2... 

[Azazel]

1. If <game> is pretty much identical on PS3 and 360, except the 360 version on disc comes with a bunch of DLC levels and content and shit you can't and will never(?) get on PS3, then the 360 version of the game is superior then.

Look, if you want to come up with a 1 in 100 situation where you can win the argument, go ahead. I wash my hands of your stupidity.

1) Yeah good. Since you keep changing your criteria, adding sub-clauses, and not answering selected points, you can't lose the argument. Which shouldn't even be an argument.

6. So answer this one at least. Games that are pretty much identical on 2 different consoles while also being great on both go on both lists?

How would you know? You don't own a PS3.
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2) How would you know? You stopped buying 360 titles long ago by your own admission. If I buy a PS3 next week does that suddenly make me able to comment on the quality of shit I haven't played on it?
Oh, and I own or have owned several that fit that criteria on PS2/XBox 1, which is what sparked the thought. But you know, continue to feel free to skip every point I've made in the discussion that you can't counter. Fuck, tell me where Fallout 3 goes, since the implication from your above quote is that you own and have played all 3 versions.

3) Tell me where Saints Row 2 goes. PC version is shit by all accounts. Other 2 versions are by all accounts identical. So PS3 or 360?

So, this is all about you.  OK.

No, but way to misinterpret. My main concern is that it's not all about Schild.

I forgot about Mark of Kri.  I need to finish that one.  The stealth-murder mechanic might be done better on more modern games.

That's one of the key points - are we looking at things that hold up well today, on whatever platform?
Or are we trying to look for the best example of a genre, and if it's been done newer and better we bin the old one? GOW1/2 dropped from the PS2 list when GOW3 comes out?
I'd assumed the former. But I'm not so sure now since Schild doesn't want to allow dupes that are on a platform he doth not choose even when they're considered top form, or as good/better than shit he does include.

[Dion]

Assume a guy goes out and picks up a PlayStation 2, even tho he already owns a Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 3 and all the games for those system, what games would you recommend him? This list will be those recommendations.

[stray]

RE4, GT4, Persona 4, God of War just because it rhymes with 4.


Seriously though... this is for wikipedia? edit: oh, f13 wiki my bad  

[Yegolev]

That's one of the key points - are we looking at things that hold up well today, on whatever platform?

No, I don't think so.  It would be a short and, more importantly, changing list.  Also ripe with opinion.  The thing I would like is a list of games that were or are awesome, leaving it up to the reader whether or not they choose to go retro and play a X-year-old game.

But I'm not so sure now since Schild doesn't want to allow dupes that are on a platform he doth not choose even when they're considered top form, or as good/better than shit he does include.

Yea, I don't know about that shit.  I advise to leave the arguing alone and sneak it in later when schild isn't looking or has changed his mind.  Unless, of course, you're trying to do something blatantly incorrect like put a console game into the PC section.

[schild]

I'd assumed the former. But I'm not so sure now since Schild doesn't want to allow dupes that are on a platform he doth not choose even when they're considered top form, or as good/better than shit he does include.

Go look at my Dreamcast list. Do you have any complaints? Then tell me more about how I'm doing it wrong.

http://wiki.f13.net/index.php/Recommendations:_Dreamcast

Why? I was the only one that made that list.

Edit: Actually, I think I might've asked one person for help. One. Mostly to ask if I was missing anything because I did it off the top of my head at 5am one day.

[Velorath]

Go look at my Dreamcast list. Do you have any complaints?

Just that as a game, Shenmue was one of the biggest steaming piles of shit I ever played.

[ahoythematey]

Maybe add Soul Reaver to that list, as the DC was the best system to play it on?

[Jain Zar]

I'd assumed the former. But I'm not so sure now since Schild doesn't want to allow dupes that are on a platform he doth not choose even when they're considered top form, or as good/better than shit he does include.

Go look at my Dreamcast list. Do you have any complaints? Then tell me more about how I'm doing it wrong.

http://wiki.f13.net/index.php/Recommendations:_Dreamcast

Why? I was the only one that made that list.

Edit: Actually, I think I might've asked one person for help. One. Mostly to ask if I was missing anything because I did it off the top of my head at 5am one day.

Missing quite a few games.
Grandia 2?
Capcom vs SNK?
Virtual OT?
Evolution 1 and 2?
Chu Chu Rocket?
Phantasy Star Online?
Record of Lodoss War?
Resident Evil 3? 
Re Volt?
Sega Marine Fishing?
House of the Dead 2?
Crazy Taxi 2?

Those were all fun games not on your list.
I wouldn't call each and every game I just wrote down as A+++ enduring classics OMG, but they are all solid and fun games worth playing.
(Though in some cases like PSO or your listed Skies of Arcadia, the Gamecube version is superior and the version to play.)

[schild]

So, I'm not missing anything?

[Yegolev]

I submit that you are not.

[voodoolily]

Okami is one of my favorite games EVAR.

[Dion]

Okami is one of my favorite games EVAR.

Wouldn't you buy the Wii version though? I know I would...

[Rasix]

Okami is one of my favorite games EVAR.

Wouldn't you buy the Wii version though? I know I would...

Worked fine as a PS2 game.  Really.  Wii controller might help, but it's not exactly the most accurate thing in the world.  

I liked Okami a lot, it was just SUPER LONG for a Zelda like game.  I just ran out of steam in the end and couldn't finish it.

[Dion]

Ok, I'll add that to the A-list.

[Rasix]

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

[Yegolev]

Okami is one of my favorite games EVAR.

Wouldn't you buy the Wii version though? I know I would...

I know what you are thinking, but I thought I heard that you don't use the pointer to draw.  Confirm/deny?

[Dion]

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

I haven't played it but if that is the common consensus I'll add it to the list.

[schild]

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

I haven't played it but if that is the common consensus I'll add it to the list.

I'd add "One of" but it's assuredly in the top five, without question.

[Yegolev]

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

I haven't played it but if that is the common consensus I'll add it to the list.

Note that this is a sequel.  The stories are loosely linked so you can play this one without playing the first one, but the first one is also very, very good.

[voodoolily]

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

Was this the one that had the gay pr0n collector's cards as in-game items?

[schild]

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

Was this the one that had the gay pr0n collector's cards as in-game items?

Yes.

[Mazakiel]

That you used to unlock dresses for the old man's doll, if I recall correctly. 

Still though, as silly and over the top as it was at times, fun as hell.  I need to dig up my copy. 

[voodoolily]

That you used to unlock dresses for the old man's doll, if I recall correctly. 

Still though, as silly and over the top as it was at times, fun as hell.  I need to dig up my copy. 

The doll that was actually a little girl who likes to show her panties when she executes her special moves. 

[Azazel]

That's one of the key points - are we looking at things that hold up well today, on whatever platform?

No, I don't think so.  It would be a short and, more importantly, changing list.  Also ripe with opinion.  The thing I would like is a list of games that were or are awesome, leaving it up to the reader whether or not they choose to go retro and play a X-year-old game.

The only thing with that is we've got both GoW 1 and 2 on the PS2 list - one needs nuking? and then the other removing once GoW3 comes out on PS3, (assuming it's better then the previous versions?). Powerstone 1 and 2 on the DC list. etc.

Go look at my Dreamcast list. Do you have any complaints? Then tell me more about how I'm doing it wrong.

Didn't like Shenmue.
UFC was not good.

Aside from those two, which I thought sucked, and a bunch of games I never bothered with, there's nothing on the DC list that's missing, in my opinion.
But let's be honest, the DC, while a good machine, never exactly had a barnstorming software library...

Oh wait!

You've got Soul Calibur on it. It's now available on XBLA, and presumably on PSN. In HD. You can safely remove it from the DC list. 

[Yegolev]

The only thing with that is we've got both GoW 1 and 2 on the PS2 list - one needs nuking? and then the other removing once GoW3 comes out on PS3, (assuming it's better then the previous versions?). Powerstone 1 and 2 on the DC list. etc.

This seems silly since GoW1 is pretty awesome and GoW2 continues the story, as does #3.  I'd suggest leaving the first two on there since they are linked and #2 is actually good.  We might revisit including GoW3 if it turns out to be a pile of shit; meaning we don't want to include games that are garbage, which I think is the main point of the list.  You're thinking way too hard.

You've got Soul Calibur on it. It's now available on XBLA, and presumably on PSN. In HD. You can safely remove it from the DC list. 

If you go swimming in the polar bear exhibit, you might lose an arm.  Really, though, I don't see why it can't be on both places, assuming the improvements to the new version are worthwhile.  Using SotN as an example, I'd list it as a PSOne game even though you can get other versions since I believe there is no adjustment other than resolution and Achievements on the 360.  People are going to have to be smart enough for us to not have to put SotN onto the 360 or PSP lists, otherwise they can go back to believing Kotaku stories and GameSpot reviews.

[schild]

You've got Soul Calibur on it. It's now available on XBLA, and presumably on PSN. In HD. You can safely remove it from the DC list.

The Dreamcast Soul Calibur isn't only arcade perfect but the controller on the Dreamcast vs the 360 pad still makes it the ideal place to play the game. Even for joysticks the Dreamcast wins, but really, d-pad++ in this particular case.

[Azazel]

Can't you get a Hori stick for PS3 these days?

But yes, I'll grant you those DC Joysticks are fucking well done, and do > the 360 or any joypad controller for the entire genre. If only my proper arcade joysticks for the original XBox/PS2 worked on the newer consoles.

What's SotN? Symphony of the Night? I'll take your word for it's inclusion, though to my mind, improved resolution is a good enough reason to play something that's otherwide identical on a different system.