PS3

[JWIV]

Segoris - that's the PSP version, not the downloadable PSN.

[schild]

That's the PSP version. We're talking about the PSN version.

Edit: Doh, beaten by new page.

[Segoris]

Yeah, removing that shit. I was looking at the wrong article after googling "fft psn"

[Mrbloodworth]

From everything I'm seeing, it's actually the PS1 version moded as opposed to the PSP war of the lions version.  Especially since it's the PS1 logo even popping up on my screen when I launch it.  

I love the original. I still need more info, Google is simply telling me that its there, and the PSN website is as detailed as ever.  

As far as I can tell  this is a straight up vanilla port of the PS1 version, not the War of the Lions version.  The graphics are definitely a bit dated, but for being over a decade old, hold up tolerably well.  There is no multiplayer or any of the cutscenes or enhancements from the War of the Lions version.

Category: RPG, Strategy
Publisher: SCEA
Available platforms: PS one™
Release Date: Jan 1998
Players: 2

?

[schild]

Second Player can use another controller afaik and alternate in battle.

[Mrbloodworth]

Oh well, I'm getting it anyway.

[fuser]

New video up on the motion controller in detail of what was left out or not shown at E3.

So when's tiger woods golf going come out for ps3 with this?

[Falconeer]

Speaking of JRPG, juggling with PSN Japan I found the video for Tales of Vesperia. That reminded me of Eternal Sonata, which I completely missed. Is it worth it?

[Ingmar]

Eternal Sonata is a weird fucking game. How much tolerance do you have for long documentary breaks about the life of Frederic Chopin?

[jth]

I wanted to like Eternal Sonata based on some reviews, so I bought it (the 360 version). I managed to endure about four hours of it.

[Rasix]

Eternal Sonata had promise.  Unfortunately the writing and plot were so horrible I couldn't stomach it past the "betrayal".  Game treated you like a retard. 

Plus, way, way too many trash monster encounters.  The battle system was interesting, just not interesting enough to be fighting every 20 steps.

[Yegolev]

They kept changing the battle system as you went, adding timers and generally making it more difficult by changing how it played.  Kind of like Baten Kaitos, not coincidentally.  It wasn't as bad as Star Ocean, but it was bad.  I much preferred Infinite Undiscovery to this.

[Azazel]

I understand that Schild is a Singstar man.

Do the wired USB Rock Band/GHWT mics work with Singstar? - I have 360 ones, but since they're just Logitech USB mics, they should be much of a muchness I figure.. but I would like to get confirmation before I let my wife buy a Singstar game.

[Hawkbit]

My wife went to a Singstar party about a month ago.  When she got home, she said "Tomorrow, you're buying me Singstar".  Those were the last words she spoke for five days because she sang so much she lost her voice.  Not sure if I should end up buying it for her or not.  

EDIT:  Also had a cool gaming moment yesterday.  My daughter is 4 1/2 and yesterday she figured out what the popit does in LBP.  She was yelling and hollering after putting moustaches and new eyes on her sack'girl'.  It's also pink now, of course. 

[stray]

Hope this comes to light..

Sony Planning PSN Import Section

Following recent news that Yakuza 3 wouldn't be released in the West and then news to the contrary stating that this was actually under discussion, it's now come to light that such titles may find their way over to Western homes via PSN, rather than traditional boxed release.
Translating and preparing Japanese games for an unfamiliar Western market has always been something of a risky business cost-wise for publishers. As such PSN provides a cheap way of being able to deliver niche Japanese titles to the small minority of consumers that crave them, without incurring a massive loss on all the usual physical costs.
A leaked document from SEGA HQ, which has additionally revealed details of Sony's intention to release the entire PS2 back catalogue on PSN along with some Dreamcast titles, states:
"Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game)."
"Might need to localize menus at least with subtitles."
"SCEA interested in helping on MKTG side if they can have period of exclusivity."
Obviously this is merely at the discussion stage at present, but use of the word "exclusivity" does suggest that talks have gone further than mere brainstorming.

[JWIV]

My wife went to a Singstar party about a month ago.  When she got home, she said "Tomorrow, you're buying me Singstar".  Those were the last words she spoke for five days because she sang so much she lost her voice.  Not sure if I should end up buying it for her or not.  

EDIT:  Also had a cool gaming moment yesterday.  My daughter is 4 1/2 and yesterday she figured out what the popit does in LBP.  She was yelling and hollering after putting moustaches and new eyes on her sack'girl'.  It's also pink now, of course. 

Is Singstar that much cooler than Rock Band's vocals?

[Hayduke]

OK, I'm having some issues with the wireless network.  When ever I turn on Fat Princess, it informs me I need to download the 1.2 update, which is pretty small.  It starts going, but always stops somewhere between 9 and 13%.

Uh, anybody have any ideas?

Turn off media servers on your PS3.  I think it's under Internet Connection in the settings.  Media Servers: Disabled.  I don't know why, but I can't download anything if I have media servers enabled

Hope this comes to light..

That can't be real.  No console company could be that cool.

[Yegolev]

Hope this comes to light..

Sony Planning PSN Import Section

Following recent news that Yakuza 3 wouldn't be released in the West and then news to the contrary stating that this was actually under discussion, it's now come to light that such titles may find their way over to Western homes via PSN, rather than traditional boxed release.
Translating and preparing Japanese games for an unfamiliar Western market has always been something of a risky business cost-wise for publishers. As such PSN provides a cheap way of being able to deliver niche Japanese titles to the small minority of consumers that crave them, without incurring a massive loss on all the usual physical costs.
A leaked document from SEGA HQ, which has additionally revealed details of Sony's intention to release the entire PS2 back catalogue on PSN along with some Dreamcast titles, states:
"Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game)."
"Might need to localize menus at least with subtitles."
"SCEA interested in helping on MKTG side if they can have period of exclusivity."
Obviously this is merely at the discussion stage at present, but use of the word "exclusivity" does suggest that talks have gone further than mere brainstorming.

Alright, in case some might miss it, the BIG news if this is the case is that they are talking about putting PS2 games on PSN.  Assuming it is true.  I'm thinking not.  They probably meant SEGA's PS1 library.  Also, Dreamcast games?  Those are going to be ported to a Sony console?

[Trippy]

What's the point of putting PS2 games on PSN now that Sony has removed BC from the PS3? And how many people outside of Japan actually have the network adapter + hard drive (which they don't sell anymore and even if they did they don't work on the PS2 slim) on their PS2s? 10 people maybe?

[MisterNoisy]

What's the point of putting PS2 games on PSN now that Sony has removed BC from the PS3?

They can charge you $10-20 per game instead of letting you buy used PS2 games from GameStop.

[Teleku]

What's the point of putting PS2 games on PSN now that Sony has removed BC from the PS3? And how many people outside of Japan actually have the network adapter + hard drive (which they don't sell anymore and even if they did they don't work on the PS2 slim) on their PS2s? 10 people maybe?

Wait, wouldn't removing BC from the PS3 be a big reason to then offer PS2 games over PSN?

[Trippy]

The user base with BC compatible PS3s is basically fixed right now (modulo the old units people have horded and aren't using right now) and as a percentage of the total installed base is getting smaller every minute.

[Velorath]

The user base with BC compatible PS3s is basically fixed right now (modulo the old units people have horded and aren't using right now) and as a percentage of the total installed base is getting smaller every minute.

I think Teleku is assuming that the PS2 games that would be put up on PSN would work on non-BC PS3's, and that by removing BC in PS3's, Sony would essentially be forcing us to rebuy PS2 games if we want to play them on the PS3.

Of course right now the whole leak seems like a bunch of "wouldn't it be cool if..." pie in the sky suggestions from Sega to Sony anyway.

Edit:  Also, the article Stray linked to really sucks, and cherry picks a small number of quotes with no real context.  Here is the leak in full that's been going around:

SCEA Meeting Aug 5th Notes
Aug 6 2009 – DRAFT FOR COMMENTS

Objectives of Meeting
Dyer agreed to regular quarterly meetings with SOA

Sony PS3
SCEA reiterated plans to sell 13 million PS3s this year
Big announcement back half of year they can’t talk about (potentially price cut of PS3 to reach hardware goals)
SCEA commented on indexing between PS3 and 360 SKUs, should be around 2:1 to garner most favorable treatment.

Motion Controller
Spring 2010 launch (March in JP)
No bundle/pricing details yet, should come Sept 1
Plan on selling 4-5MM units WW
SCEA agreed to provide a list of Sega IP that would work well with the motion controller, Virtua Tennis was an example
Motion Controller support allows easy way to differentiate PS3 SKU
Other differentiation opportunities include PSP/PS3 interoperability – think of features that would make users want to buy both PS3 and PSP SKUs.

Alpha Protocol
Michael Foster, product evaluator, said AP felt barely RPG. Initial level too challenging for players. “Mass Effect felt more RPG.”
Review notes sent to John Merlino a few weeks prior. After meeting Gerald mentioned AP is a high priority for his team.

Planet 51
Sell in of PS3 SKU – SCEA noted that other movie titles on PS3 had underperformed as well (inc. Transformers) this cycle.
Dyer suggests contacting Susan at Walmart and asking what she wants in the pack to sell this SKU (movie tix etc)
Other possibilities are Hybrid movie disc (BD 25 or 50 with Game and Movie on same disc).

Bayonetta
Collectors edition with Bayonetta Action Figure
Novo recommended launching PSN demo around Xmas based off a Jan 5th Ship date with 2-3 week run out to launch.
3-4 weeks is usually ideal demo timing with fresh content every week leading up to launch (trailers, insider video about PG heritage, video blogs).

Vancouver 2010
HOME, Olympic destination would garner a lot of positive attention from SCEA
Should be doing same with Bayonetta, Marvel etc. Easy to launch in all territories.
HOME merchandizing opportunities (clothes etc).

Sonic Racing
Open to DLC to differentiate PS3 SKU – not ratchet and clank but other characters
maybe characters from Rare or Fable universes

Yakuza
Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game).
Might need to localize menus at least with subtitles.
SCEA interested in helping on MKTG side if they can have period of exclusivity.

AVP
Another great HOME candidate
AVP avatars
Hybrid BD disc with movie

Iron Man 2
Great candidate for HOME space – explore Tony Stark’s lab etc.
Should have one for Marvel in general.

PSU2
Could do bundle at GameStop with PSP 30-35K units on UMD, Go, or both.

Valkyria 1937
Could bundle with PSP as well.

Vanquish and Aliens: CM
Opportunity for PS3/PSP interoperability (see Eidos Batman, Army of Two, Assassin’s Creed for good examples).
If we offer that SCEA would be really interested in having us at their booth next E3.

Thor
SCEA would like a look at the code soon.

Sonic Anniversary
Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
“Best of Sonic” for around $99.
SCEA would love PSN exclusive power ups/different game modes (like Castlevania’s flip it over/backwards)

PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)
SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)
For co Marketing money show PS3 controller on TV ads – similar to EA Madden Spots, NCAA, etc…

London Olympics
Perfect opportunity for Motion Controller integration.

DC Digital Titles
If we provide a list of DC titles SCEA will let us know which ones they’re interested in having exclusively.
If we give them a long period of exclusivity they’ll give us more marketing support.

PSP Titles
For SKU differentiation it’s best to offer features that are slightly different from PS3 version.
Titles that are coming up on PSP are Assassin’s Creed II, GTA China Wars, Resident Evil, Little Big Planet – all massive franchises.
SCEA has a specific PSP deck which they can send up with their hardware director for a chat.

[Teleku]

Ah, yeah, thats exactly what I was thinking.  I thought they had just removed the hardware in it that allowed the PS3 to read the PS2 disks, but I guess it also might not be able to read it from the hard drive either.  Which would suck.

As somebody who never bought any PS2 games in the first place, giving a download option for them all would be pretty rad.   

[Velorath]

Well it does say in the leak, PS2 emulator for PS3.  I don't think there's any way imaginable that they can get the PS2's entire catalog working through software emulation though, so I think the "sell all PS2 titles" part is either just poorly worded and not really what they meant to say, or Sega has misinterpreted Sony's plans.  Also keep in mind that this leak was just a draft, and contains some odd mistakes like:

Sonic Racing
Open to DLC to differentiate PS3 SKU – not ratchet and clank but other characters
maybe characters from Rare or Fable universes

[Azazel]

My wife went to a Singstar party about a month ago.  When she got home, she said "Tomorrow, you're buying me Singstar".  Those were the last words she spoke for five days because she sang so much she lost her voice.  Not sure if I should end up buying it for her or not.  

EDIT:  Also had a cool gaming moment yesterday.  My daughter is 4 1/2 and yesterday she figured out what the popit does in LBP.  She was yelling and hollering after putting moustaches and new eyes on her sack'girl'.  It's also pink now, of course. 

Is Singstar that much cooler than Rock Band's vocals?

It's the multiple Vocals thing that would appeal. But thanks for reminding me - I need to play some serious RB/GH this week!

[schild]

Just saying, I predicted this exact PS2 on PS3 thing - exactly as they're putting it - well before launch.

[Velorath]

Just saying, I predicted this exact PS2 on PS3 thing - exactly as they're putting it - well before launch.

You predicted they'd pull bc from PS3's shortly after launching, and then contemplate releasing an unspecified amount of PS2 games on PSN in an unknown timeframe?

[Azazel]

He predicted that they'd be selling their large back catalogue of games via downloads (just like Steam was already doing) onto their console with large hard drive and broadband support before launch.

It's not exactly a stretch.

As for the rest of Velorath's post.. 

[Mrbloodworth]

What's the point of putting PS2 games on PSN now that Sony has removed BC from the PS3? And how many people outside of Japan actually have the network adapter + hard drive (which they don't sell anymore and even if they did they don't work on the PS2 slim) on their PS2s? 10 people maybe?

PS1 and 2 games on the PSN work just fine on the PS3. One assumes there has been some re-factoring to the titles if they hit the store. The issue with PS2 games on the ps3, is your discs can not be adjusted or recoded.

[Yegolev]

PS1 and 2 games on the PSN work just fine on the PS3.

Which PS2 games have you seen on PSN?

[schild]

PS1 and 2 games on the PSN work just fine on the PS3.

Which PS2 games have you seen on PSN?

He hasn't. He's kraaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy.

[Yegolev]

Stop, you are ruining it!

[Teleku]

OK, I'm having some issues with the wireless network.  When ever I turn on Fat Princess, it informs me I need to download the 1.2 update, which is pretty small.  It starts going, but always stops somewhere between 9 and 13%.

Uh, anybody have any ideas?

Turn off media servers on your PS3.  I think it's under Internet Connection in the settings.  Media Servers: Disabled.  I don't know why, but I can't download anything if I have media servers enabled

Oh holy god, thank you so much for that.  That fixed it perfectly.  I don't know why it worked fine when I first got the system, but I was at the point where I couldn't download anything.  Turning that off made me able to download everything with no problem what so ever.

Which begs the question, WTF does enabling media severs for the PS3 even mean?

[Mrbloodworth]

I think it means it will actively sniff the network to find media servers?

Here you go.