PS3

[cosapi]

The ps3 seems to be the most appealing out of the three console systems at the moment. Truly the greatest joy of this console generation was not owning any. But I picked up demons souls asian version like 2 weeks before atlus announced the US release. I don't even own any current gen systems but didn't want to have to deal with the possibility of Demons Souls going for 100+ used in 1-2 years from now. Especially since it seemed to be one of the reasons to get a ps3 because it looks decent + unique, regardless of the fact based on what I've seen and heard about it, it sounds like "I Wanna Be The Guy The PS3 Game". So I doubt it's much like diablo. Diablo has always been more like Gauntlet NES with loot. Only reason to play = Necromancer.

If I absolutely had to go with a current gen console system, the ps3 seems like the one which sucks the least. 360 only has value if you import, for me anyways (cave shooters). And the wii, well, it's the wii. The only games of interest seem to be No More Heroes, that new Vanillaware game and Sin and Punishment 2. As for games like Galaxy and Smash Bros? No Thanks, I was tired of those before they were released.

I was planning to get a ps3 after demons souls arrived, but since e3 was so close I figured I'd wait and see if any changes would be made. Though it's very unlikely, still planning to wait till after. My reasons for wanting a ps3 = Valkyria Chronicles, Demons Souls, MGS, "Project Trico"lol, and maybe Steambot Chronicles 2.

[Murgos]

The ps3 seems to be the most appealing out of the three console systems at the moment. Truly the greatest joy of this console generation was not owning any. But I picked up demons souls asian version like 2 weeks before atlus announced the US release. I don't even own any current gen systems but didn't want to have to deal with the possibility of Demons Souls going for 100+ used in 1-2 years from now. Especially since it seemed to be one of the reasons to get a ps3 because it looks decent + unique, regardless of the fact based on what I've seen and heard about it, it sounds like "I Wanna Be The Guy The PS3 Game". So I doubt it's much like diablo. Diablo has always been more like Gauntlet NES with loot. Only reason to play = Necromancer.

If I absolutely had to go with a current gen console system, the ps3 seems like the one which sucks the least. 360 only has value if you import, for me anyways (cave shooters). And the wii, well, it's the wii. The only games of interest seem to be No More Heroes, that new Vanillaware game and Sin and Punishment 2. As for games like Galaxy and Smash Bros? No Thanks, I was tired of those before they were released.

I was planning to get a ps3 after demons souls arrived, but since e3 was so close I figured I'd wait and see if any changes would be made. Though it's very unlikely, still planning to wait till after. My reasons for wanting a ps3 = Valkyria Chronicles, Demons Souls, MGS, "Project Trico"lol, and maybe Steambot Chronicles 2.

lol wat?

[Morfiend]

[Hawkbit]

That was really fucking random.

[Yegolev]

I don't know how this got started, but Demon's Souls isn't like Diablo.

[Cyrrex]

I don't know how this got started, but Demon's Souls isn't like Diablo.

Yeah, well, you'll have a hard time proving that without sending me a copy of Demon Souls.

[Azazel]

Yea, but you have shitty taste in games otherwise you'd have bought a PS3 already for Demon's Souls and Uncharted. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of shitty taste.

It isn't deja vu, because I care even less these days. As for exclusives, I don't even play games in general as much anymore, and I still can see that there are more than 5 good exclusives. For you to still like games, and say that, kind of amazes me. You have great hate, sir. 

There's Motorstorm and maybe the second one. Uncharted. Possibly Demons Souls and inFamous. That's 4.5 games I'm actively interested in playing. Not worth AU$700 to me just for the box that comes with a game or two I wouldn't have bought. Plus, say, AU$360 for the 5 above games (conservatively) brings me over $1k for that before even counting a second (or third, etc controller) or any other must have odds and bobs, or a new HDD. Not worth it.
I'd probably do it if BC was still in it, but no, so, no.

No personal interest in LBP, MGS, Resistance or Gran Turismo (or Halo, for that matter). I'd probably buy some Ratchet, even Singstar, etc if I owned the system but won't buy a system for Ratchet. I also don't give a shit about unreleased games that are in development. When they're released I'll start caring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_3-only_games

It was all fine and dandy until people came in who have absolutely no fucking interest in the console. It's like, "Why even click on the thread?"

Don't you do this to pretty much every Wii or 360 thread?  Besides, I have an interest in the console. Just not enough of an interest to buy one at this stage. I've always said here that I'll eventually get one, and that's probably still true. Really though, the BC is my sticking point at this stage.



Now tell me about this Diablo game.

[Mrbloodworth]

PS3 = M.A.G


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[Morfiend]

PS3 = M.A.G


/thread




 

Using that logic. Phantom > PS3 and 360.
 

[Mrbloodworth]

PS3 = M.A.G


/thread




 

Using that logic. Phantom > PS3 and 360.
 

We are not using the same logic.

[Soln]

We gave up on a media streaming server, and instead spent $100 on a brick USB.  Far easier to move over all your files and watch them glitch free.

[Azazel]

PS3 = M.A.G
/thread
 

Yeah, looks nice. but FPS on a console using thumbsticks.. well I won't say = FAIL, but it's not for some of us, no matter how pretty the previews look.

Also, GAMES IN THE FUTURE WILL BE BETTAR. Unreleased exclusives are irrelevent to me until they're released.

[Mrbloodworth]

I do prefer my FPS with M&Kb. But, that looks sweet, and its made by zipper.

[stray]

Also, GAMES IN THE FUTURE WILL BE BETTAR. Unreleased exclusives are irrelevent to me until they're released.

Just say you don't care about the games of the present either, it's easier that way.

[Azazel]

Why? Because I don't bother to jizz in my panties about something that may be out within a year? Or because I'm unfazed by half a dozen PS3 exclusives?
FWIW, the 360 at this point in time has fewer exclusives I would buy a system for, but that doesn't matter anymore because I already own the thing, and most of my games are non-exclusives anyway.

Your wannabe snarky comment makes no sense anyway.

[stray]

Snarky comment  Stop being so defensive. I'm just eating some pizza and talking a little bit here.

[edit] My "snarky comment's" point was that you were saying the same thing about games of the present, before they were released. You used that same kind of line, now they're here, you still don't care. Just unleash the hate already!  That's my point. And don't think I care that much to want to egg you on or anything. I don't really.

[Azazel]

Defensive? Meh, you misinterpreted my tone as much as I did yours, baby.   

Not sure which games you're saying I was saying I don't care about before they were released. I'm sure there were upcoming but now-released games I didnt and continue to not give a fuck about, but that's par for the course for anyone. 

The 4.5 PS3 exclusive games I listed I like, and would buy if they were on the 360. When I eventually get a PS3 I will snap them up, it's just not personally worthwhile for me right now. That shouldn't be too difficult to comprehend. 

The rest of the PS3 exclusive library, and most all of the 360's exclusives I don't really care about. Most of the games I have a personal interest in are multiplatform. That shouldn't be too difficult to comprehend. 

Those are the games I care about. I hope one day to marry one of them, I care for them so deeply. 

 

[ahoythematey]

Yeah, looks nice. but FPS on a console using thumbsticks.. well I won't say = FAIL, but it's not for some of us, no matter how pretty the previews look

This part stood out to me.  All the 360 has to really warrant purchasing it over any other console is shooters, so I found it odd when people say this, even factoring in the multiplatform.  Not that I'm disagreeing about the mouse+keyboard bit...

[Big Gulp]

This part stood out to me.  All the 360 has to really warrant purchasing it over any other console is shooters, so I found it odd when people say this, even factoring in the multiplatform.  Not that I'm disagreeing about the mouse+keyboard bit...

I bought my 360 for two reasons at the time: Chromehounds and Dead Rising.  Strangely, I got a lot more value out of Chromehounds since I got into a really good clan of guys.  Dead Rising is one of those games that should have been an instant classic but its random Japaneseness sabotaged it (stupid photo taking mini-game, escort mission hell, a finite time limit, etc).  Unless a lot of that stuff is corrected, I'll probably skip DR2.

Anyhow, what Azazel said goes for me, too.  If I had to make the choice right now, I'd buy a PS3.  I've already jumped into bed with a console, though, and the limited exclusives I'm interested in for that platform still don't compel me to shell out $400 minimum just to have the machine to play them.  I still think Sony is boned this generation.  To be fair, both MS and Sony got their asses handed to them by Nintendo, but Sony had such a huge position of strength last generation that losing so badly to MS has to gall them.

[Kageru]

I find the huge companies subsidising the hardware and purchasing exclusives to give it value so distasteful I'm happy to miss out on anything unique to the console.

Well, other than I wouldn't buy a wii anyway because while I like the concept of a casual gaming platform the actual product hurts my eyes too much.

[schild]

I find the huge companies subsidising the hardware and purchasing exclusives to give it value so distasteful I'm happy to miss out on anything unique to the console.

Out of curiosity, what exclusives do you think Sony bought? I'd really like to know.

Unless you were talking about Microsoft. In which case, well, yes, that's always been their gameplan.

[stray]

yeah, if anything some of the previous exclusives became non-exclusive because of microsoft's....mmm...deep well of generosity. really the only exclusives on PS3 are first and second house. and a few things that don't attract xbox gamer's as well, like jrpgs.

[AutomaticZen]

Pretty much in the same boat as some here.  There are some exclusives I want, but not enough to shell out for another console at the PS3's current price point.  They drop it down $100, and then I'm game.  My 360 is enough for me otherwise.

[Kageru]

Out of curiosity, what exclusives do you think Sony bought? I'd really like to know.

Well, sure, microsoft have always used their monopoly supplied deep pockets to make up for the limitations of their products.

I must admit I was surprised that you could suggest there are no PS3 exclusives. But I think what you are saying is that Sony funds or owns the game developers and thus isn't buying the exclusive rights to the title itself.

Things like this - "Following this, Sony gave them a deal to develop LittleBigPlanet for the PlayStation 3 in exchange for exclusivity and ownership of the intellectual property" from wikipedia, them paying rockstar to produce a PS3 exclusive title, your comments in the demon soul's thread and the recent complaints over Sony messing about with ghostbusters makes it hard to argue they are not spending a lot of money slanting the market in favor of their own platform above and beyond any technical advantages it may have.

[schild]

I'm quite serious when I say I have no clue what you're getting at and that your post is cryptic.

And how are they messing about with Ghostbusters?

[Kageru]

They took over distribution and suddenly the xbox and PC release became "sometime later this year" rather than simultaneous is my understanding. I don't really follow console news that closely.

[Hindenburg]

Also, he explained why he holds the opinion that Sony "buys" exclusives.

[schild]

In Europe, Ghostbusters might've been delayed, but then they didn't have a publisher at all in Europe at the time, as far as I know, no one was picking it up. In America, all the console versions are launching day and date together.

As for LittleBigPlanet, I think they courted the big 3. I know for a fact Nintendo turned them down first. I don't know if they went to Microsoft at all after Sony said yes.

I must admit I was surprised that you could suggest there are no PS3 exclusives.

This comment makes no sense.

"Following this, Sony gave them a deal to develop LittleBigPlanet for the PlayStation 3 in exchange for exclusivity and ownership of the intellectual property" from wikipedia, them paying rockstar to produce a PS3 exclusive title, your comments in the demon soul's thread and the recent complaints over Sony messing about with ghostbusters makes it hard to argue they are not spending a lot of money slanting the market in favor of their own platform above and beyond any technical advantages it may have.

I don't understand what you're saying about Demon's Souls here. From is neither Rockstars nor someone to have faith in prior to Demon's Souls. That was, as far as I'm concerned, total luck on their part.

I can't think of a single case where Sony bought the rights to something and pulled Exclusivity away from Microsoft. Nintendo wouldn't make a good comparison because pulling an exclusive from them, well, that would just be strange. I don't even think Microsoft has tried to do that.

[Kageru]

Sony paid the creators of little big planet and rockstar (and I am sure others) a huge amount of cash to make a game that will never be playable on the PC or 360. What definition of exclusive does that not fit?

Simpler version. My PC is perfectly capable of playing little big planet. The studio that made little big planet would almost certainly make some additional cash (enough to cover porting or letting a third party do it) if they released a PC version on steam. They won't because under the terms of the contract with Sony they are not permitted to even if it made economic sense. Sony does this to increase the value of their proprietary hardware through making it the only way to play the game.

The same argument no doubt works for a great many other titles (including things like demon soul's?).

I find it distasteful and choose not to buy an un-needed duplicate hardware platform just because some corporations has tied games to owning it. They're legally entitled to make it a PS3 exclusive and I'm free to not buy it for that reason.

This would be the same if I owned a PS3 and looked at microsoft exclusives.

It would be a good result for the consumer if the market could decide which hardware platform is the best and games companies could decide which platforms they target. Purchasing or developing platform exclusive titles warps that.

[schild]

Look, we know why people don't like exclusives.

But the majority of what you're saying is an entirely uneducated look at console gaming. What game did Sony pay a huge amount of money for? You do know Microsoft is the one paying for exclusive DLC right? And LA Noire was started back in the PS2 days when Sony didn't have to pay ANYONE for ANYTHING because they were the only game in town worth publishing on (hell, it might even be in production for the 360 as we speak). As for Little Big Planet, no, that's not quite how it worked sadly. I'm not sure Media Molecule ever wanted to do multiplatform stuff at all.

The problem is you're using an argument that fits for Microsoft but makes no sense for Sony because you don't know:
1. How their exclusives came to be.
2. Don't follow console news.
3. Aren't very well informed as to the nature of the market.

One of Sony's MAJOR problems this generation is the fact they're not doling out money for exclusives when what they desperately need is MOAR GAMES. More JRPGs, more good shooters, more Everything. They, by far, have the best first party games this gen and if they didn't before Demon's Souls/Uncharted, they sure as shit do now. But they just don't have the numbers they pulled back in the PS2 days. A lot of that is going to the Wii just because It's Cheap and has a large, if undefined (by publishers and marketing) userbase.

The same argument no doubt works for a great many other titles (including things like demon soul's?).

No, they really really don't. It doesn't work at all simply because that's not Sony's gameplan. Look, there's a LOTS of things worth ragging on Sony for this gen. Their behavior with first party and exclusive games is not one of them. And for Demon's Souls, it's just a terrible argument. From doesn't make PC games (ever) and th game wouldn't have even worked on the 360 because the online component is a huge part of the game and Microsoft decided to split their userbase between silver and gold. Even if it wasn't a Sony owned IP, the game still wouldn't have come out on the 360.

tl;dr Stop talking out of your ass. Unless you find some concrete example of Sony writing a huge check on a major product, you're just speaking from a totally uninformed position. Rag on something that's worth ragging on.

Edit: The same goes for LittleBigPlanet btw, an online component that's sliced between paying and nonpaying people would ruin LittleBigPlanet. That's why Nintendo and Sony were the ones that were courted.

[Jain Zar]

Sony's failure this generation has to do with 3 things. 

1:Price
2:Price
3:Price

[Koyasha]

Yep.  $200 less expensive at launch, and I would have gotten the PS3 within the first month or two.  If any had been available, cause at that price they would have been selling out.

Now they're $200 less expensive, but they cut key functionality.

[Hoax]

Yeah $450 for a system is fucking stupid, no doubt about it.  Never again I just don't like console games enough for it to be worth it.

[fuser]

It's like everyone forgets how your nickled and dimed with the Xbox to even get a platform close to the PS3.

PS3 80Gb MGS Bundle $480 (I think, I had a crap load of giftgards etc but it's a lot less today)

Xbox 360 Pro 60Gb $300 (Kung fu Panada/Lego Indy to get a jasper)
Wireless adapter $90
Play and charge $30
Live! Gold $60

[schild]

That's $60 per year, and a second controller + battery used to be $10 more, but I think they dropped in line when the PS3 ame out.