PS3

[Azazel]

HD wars is (are?) the reason the PS3 blu-ray more expensive yadda yadda. Except BRD players are now much cheaper than buying an overpriced machine that plays pretty much the same thing as my 360 with fewer exclusives than I have fingers on one hand that I give a shit about while not upscaling my ps2 games.

Ahhh deja-vu threads. 

[schild]

Yea, but you have shitty taste in games otherwise you'd have bought a PS3 already for Demon's Souls and Uncharted. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of shitty taste.

[Hindenburg]

You're all going full retard.

[schild]

You're all going full retard. Just saying.

You don't get an opinion. You live in a country that probably spent less in total on legitimate games than *I* did last year.

[Hindenburg]

You're all going full retard. Just saying.

You live in a country that probably most certainly spent less in total on legitimate games than *I* did last year.

Fix'd

[stray]

HD wars is (are?) the reason the PS3 blu-ray more expensive yadda yadda. Except BRD players are now much cheaper than buying an overpriced machine that plays pretty much the same thing as my 360 with fewer exclusives than I have fingers on one hand that I give a shit about while not upscaling my ps2 games.

Ahhh deja-vu threads. 

It isn't deja vu, because I care even less these days. As for exclusives, I don't even play games in general as much anymore, and I still can see that there are more than 5 good exclusives. For you to still like games, and say that, kind of amazes me. You have great hate, sir. 

[Big Gulp]

It isn't deja vu, because I care even less these days. As for exclusives, I don't even play games in general as much anymore, and I still can see that there are more than 5 good exclusives. For you to still like games, and say that, kind of amazes me. You have great hate, sir. 

5 is subjective.  For instance, I've never understood the appeal of the Metal Gear series, so I'd pass that up even if it was on the 360.  Demon's Souls?  Isn't that basically just a Diablo clone?  Yep, don't like that style of game.  I'd have jumped on Little Big Planet if the controls hadn't shit the bed and made the game a whole lot less cool.  For me that leaves Uncharted, Infamous, and the still unreleased God of War 3.  What else am I missing that isn't a pile of Japanese stupidity?

[schild]

Demon's Souls?  Isn't that basically just a Diablo clone?  Yep, don't like that style of game.

You're just being ignorant now. Stop that.

[Big Gulp]

Demon's Souls?  Isn't that basically just a Diablo clone?  Yep, don't like that style of game.

You're just being ignorant now. Stop that.

I honestly don't know.  Hence the question mark.  I guess I could have looked it up, but I don't own a PS3, and therefore don't care.  Of course, this kind of leads us back to the whole "Sony is boned" argument.

[schild]

Demon's Souls?  Isn't that basically just a Diablo clone?  Yep, don't like that style of game.

You're just being ignorant now. Stop that.

I honestly don't know.  Hence the question mark.  I guess I could have looked it up, but I don't own a PS3, and therefore don't care.  Of course, this kind of leads us back to the whole "Sony is boned" argument.

Sony isn't boned because you don't care. That doesn't even make sense. Also, most people, when they find exclusives they want on another system, start wanting it. You do realize that's what exclusives are for, right? You're just being a ridiculous outlier and I can't really tell why because there's no reason behind it.

[Musashi]

Foresaw this at first title glance.

[schild]

It was all fine and dandy until people came in who have absolutely no fucking interest in the console. It's like, "Why even click on the thread?"

[Musashi]

We come to the cockroach races to watch the cockroaches crash.

[Hoax]

Live costs money.

That is all.

Also for the first time ever someone made hardware worse then Sony hardware.

Fuck 360

[Merusk]

So there's a slim coming out, eh?  Any rumors on the price point?  The wife and daughter are big Kingdom Hearts fans and I'm under penalty of death if I buy a 360 instead of a PS3, so I'm waiting it out at this point but that's good news for me.

[Koyasha]

The two real questions for me will be, will the slim be reasonably priced, and will it have full backwards compatibility.  I won't buy a PS3 without the latter, and can't buy it without the former.

[Hawkbit]

I strongly doubt any iteration of the PS3 will do backwards compat.  They're making too much money from PS2s still.  I would love having it all in one console, but at the end of the day I just won't buy/play PS2 games if I get a PS3.  I'd love it, but doubt it. 

[Koyasha]

It's something of a matter of principle for me, because they had it at one time and then removed it.  If they had never had full BC in the first place (like the 360) I wouldn't have this much of a hangup over it, but the idea that they had it and took it out pisses me off to the point that I refuse to give them money.

That said, if I ever have the money and see an old 60gb version with the hardware BC on ebay or something and feel in the right mood, I might chance buying it in that manner.

[schild]

It's something of a matter of principle for me, because they had it at one time and then removed it.

What they took out was the PS2 chips that were just soldered onto the mainboard of the PS3. This is probably one of the reasons along with nanometer reduction that they were able to make a slim model at all.

I can see being pissed about say, a giant 80GB without hardware back compat, but a slim model? That makes no sense.

[frankaustin]

Didn't some of the other models have software-based backwards compatibility, though?  The 60gb and original 80gb models were both software-based, I thought.  I remember being pretty annoyed that Sony decided to remove the software backwards compatibility from later models, and it wouldn't affect a slim model at all.

[IainC]

The Euro versions have no backwards compatibility at all, hardware or software.

[Fordel]

I think I need a chart to keep track of all the PS3 versions around.


I'm only half being a smart ass here. 

[frankaustin]

I think I need a chart to keep track of all the PS3 versions around.


I'm only half being a smart ass here. 

Ask and ye shall receive.

[Quinton]

It's something of a matter of principle for me, because they had it at one time and then removed it.

What they took out was the PS2 chips that were just soldered onto the mainboard of the PS3. This is probably one of the reasons along with nanometer reduction that they were able to make a slim model at all.

The best of my understanding (based on interactions with some friend who work there and general observations) is that they thought they were going to be able to do entirely software based ps2 emulation, then it took longer than planned so they dropped in the ps2 chipset (similar to how ps2 "emulates" psx) as a stop-gap, then they either decided it was going to be really hard or expensive to actually make the software emulation solution work and/or just wasn't worth it.

Which makes me glad I bought a launch PS3 which can play PS2 content.

I bet we eventually see PS2 emulation, if only so that they can sell the PS2 library to us again via playstation store.  If it's technically difficult (which I think it is -- PS2 is a really bizarro machine which would be a pain to emulate well without a *lot* of headroom), we might not see this until PS4 or whatever the next generation is.

[Koyasha]

Didn't some of the other models have software-based backwards compatibility, though?  The 60gb and original 80gb models were both software-based, I thought.  I remember being pretty annoyed that Sony decided to remove the software backwards compatibility from later models, and it wouldn't affect a slim model at all.

Yeah, removing the chip I can sort of understand, but both models in production now don't even have the limited software BC that the older ones did, and I suspect a slim version wouldn't either, and I see no technical reason why they can't.  It may not be perfect BC, but neither is the 360's.

[stray]

Yeah i'm glad i got an original model with the chip. Still a lot of entertainment to be had from the PS2

edit - that said, i'd be compelled to sell it for a hefty price 

[Cyrrex]

My library of 360 games outnumbers my PS3 games something like 20:1.  That said, I think the PS3 is a superior machine in nearly every way.  Blu Ray.  Built-in wireless.  Negative RROD.  Quieter.  Connections.  Nicer looking (eye of the beholder).  Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.

Also, I know some people aren't sold on Blu Ray.  These are people I'll never understand.  With the right setup, it is completely amazing and a whole metric fuckton better than standard DVD.  The PS3 is, by most accounts, a really good BR player, and that justified the purchase as far as I am concerned.

[Rasix]

Yeah i'm glad i got an original model with the chip. Still a lot of entertainment to be had from the PS2

I've got a slim PS2.  So it finds itself easily on the TV stand shelves.

My library of 360 games outnumbers my PS3 games something like 20:1.  That said, I think the PS3 is a superior machine in nearly every way.  Blu Ray.  Built-in wireless.  Negative RROD.  Quieter.  Connections.  Nicer looking (eye of the beholder).  Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.

I'd almost rather play anything on the PS3 just because of the noise.  The 360 is obnoxiously loud. The two game libraries of mine as starting to converge, but I've traded in a lot of 360 games and the only PS3 game that's made it back to Gamestop is LittleBigPlanet (I made some reaches with 360 game purchases that didn't work out).  Still, the 360 is going to get exclusives and Bioware games will hit it before they're ported to PC, so it'll always have its use.

[Hawkbit]

I'll get one in Sept/Oct I've been promised.  It's a big purchase for us right now because we're paying off some debts.  Shouldn't be too bad though, maybe I'll hear about a price drop before then, or the slimline unit. 
Meh.

[schild]

EA bought the Mass Effect IP. I'd imagine Bioware stuff will hit the PS3 also.

[Cyrrex]

Well, I guess we've all learned who wears the pantalones over at the old Hawbit estate.  

[Jain Zar]

Sony kinda doesn't seem to want people to buy the thing though.  Too expensive, and they pulled out BC with entirely too many models of the machine.

Given how insanely successful the PS2 is this is a serious drawback.  I have too big of a PS2 library to buy an overpriced machine with a handful of worthwhile games!

If I could get a used 20 gig for 200 or 250 for the 60 with BC I would for Little Big Planet, Disgaea 3, and Valkyria Chronicles.  The Blu Ray and improved video output for my PS1 and 2 games would make the expenditure worth it.

But as it stands, I am currently thinking about getting a 100 dollar slim PS2 to replace my aging early 00 machine and ignoring Sony this generation entirely. 

They seem about ready to do the same sort of incompatibility fuckup with the PSP, turning it into an iPod Touch except without half the popularity if not more. 
(And existing owners lose access to their UMD games?  WTF?)

[Ingmar]

Infamous is the first PS3-only title that's really made me QQ a little that I can't get it. Going to take more than that to get me to spring for the console price given the economy though.

[Hawkbit]

Well, I guess we've all learned who wears the pantalones over at the old Hawbit estate.  

She's an attorney defending bank-side foreclosures.  I'm a pseudo-librarian.  She wears her pants and mine.   

[schild]

Afrika seems to be coming to America courtesy of Natsume.

This is a pretty amazing era for Sony, somehow among all their hubris, they seem to be inviting other devs into the PS3-era by letting them publish SCEI titles (the other 2 being Demon's Souls/Atlus and BADMAN (Yuusha)/NISA).

Excitement.