StarCraft II Beta

[Malakili]

I think I'm just going to keep watching replays of high level matches.  So much more entertaining AND less stressful than actually playing the game.  Maybe I should move to Korea where this shit is on TV.

[Rasix]

Heh, I've spent more time watching "Day9 dailies" this week than I have watching regular TV. 

[Rasix]

Wow, every single terran is marine rushing.  They don't even scout.

edit: I think I played one of the worst zerg players I've ever seen for someone that's at my level.  Blistering sands, I'm prepping for early zergling pressure so I park some zealots on my ramp.  While I'm macroing up, he repeatedly sends zerglings my way. Like 1 at a time.  He maybe did this like 10 times.

I get my natural, 4 gate/2 robo.  2/1 upgrades (oops).  Charge.  Get a good composition of zealot/stalker/sentry and an handful of collossi.  I send that forward and his entire army burns away in seconds.   In broken internet speak he said something like "what a boring game, just macro up and attack".  Then why not attack earlier smart guy?  I'm not sure what the hell he can bitch about when he had 2 more expansion than I had but ended up on the short side of the mineral count by a lot.  Great macro dude, you had 3 mutas.   

So to add insult to injury I pop guardian shield while finishing off his now defenseless bases. "nice shield"

[Fordel]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129070

I don't agree with the topic, but those two replays in the title post are a great example of why every Terran should use sensor towers dammit! Especially the lost temple replay, he pretty much created one massive super base, walled off by cannons and turrets. 



The actual topic is silly, "Why can't my all ground army beat those 20 siege tanks by running straight at them!"  


To be fair he did make 3 BroodLords near the end, after the Terran had massed up 20 vikings/ravens 

[Ironwood]

I can't watch the replays or the videos, but I get the gist.  The way to beat this is broodlords.

Which will fail utterly to a reactored up Viking-producer.

Or 200 worth of Banelings.

[Wolf]

terran mech is slightly OP at the moment. But some zergs are starting to deal with it - more roaches and drops + abusing terran's limited mobility. Similar to TvP in brood war.

[Ironwood]

I don't see that working.

[Wolf]

look up any TLO vs Sen games from the past couple of weeks, like the Kaspersky plu.cn tourney or the EU vs Asia thing. All in all, sen is up 7 to 5.

[Hoax]

look up any TLO vs Sen games from the past couple of weeks, like the Kaspersky plu.cn tourney or the EU vs Asia thing. All in all, sen is up 7 to 5.

You fucker.  HD has only posted the first 2 games so far.  I hate you.

I'm really enjoying high level SC2 play mixed w/ my usual following of the high level fighting game scene.

[Ironwood]

I must be looking wrong.  The games I've watched this afternoon with TLO and Sen involve the zerg guy getting utterly humped.  Usually by bunkers to the expand.

I can only assume he got better after this.

Or, as previously discussed, I'm looking wrong...

[Rasix]

Yah, the games I've seen is TLO doing gimmicky stuff with infantry.  I think he's a better Zerg player.  Is his switch to Terran permanent or just for this deal?

[Malakili]

Yah, the games I've seen is TLO doing gimmicky stuff with infantry.  I think he's a better Zerg player.  Is his switch to Terran permanent or just for this deal?

This seems to be his schtick in general actually.  He comes up with a lot of really unique strategies that, when effective, make him appear absolutely brilliant.  However, you also see him lose to standard builds sometimes that he would have a lot more of a chance winning if he went more standard himself.  One of the reasons I love TLO is because he plays in the spirit of how I wish more SC2 games would play out.  Instead, like I've said many times in this thread, SC2 punishes creativity and interesting builds.

[K9]

I think I'm slowly getting the gist of Zerg timing pushes in the mid game. Build army, have 30+ larvae pre-vomited up and minerals to turn them all into something cool. Push on enemy, immediately rebuild as your army is in combat. As soon as the battle is over, push again.

[Ironwood]

And plop your worm down in their crevice.

[Samwise]

 

[K9]

My luck with the worm is mixed, although using it to aid base-base map control is sweet.

I wish fungal growth was cheaper.

[Malakili]

My luck with the worm is mixed, although using it to aid base-base map control is sweet.

I wish fungal growth was cheaper.

The trick to worms is to spam them.  They'll never see it coming

[bhodi]

Or save the 400 gas and use 200 of it to research overlord transport...

[Thrawn]

Make two Nydus worms in one end of a base and when they panic to kill them overlord drop your army on the other side.  Just might work. :)

[trias_e]

I am hating this game because ZvT is fucking stupid.  All T has to do is 1a marines mauraders and medivacs, i have to have 3 control groups triple the apm and good map control/scouting to have a chance to counter.  And then if they are slightly better than a retard, get position and have 3 tanks its just fucking GG.  Infestors are the only chance of victory but they are damn hard to use correctly...they are instagibbed if they get into range.  I don't think I've ever won a game using banelings.  I might get some decent marine kills with banelings but they just back off, build more mauraders, and I'm screwed. 

My winrates are probably something like ZvZ 80% ZvP 60% ZvT 10% at this point : /

[K9]

Mech is owning me as Zerg. Actually got blocked into my base by two sieges in one game, with fuck all means to break it.

That said, I did just end with one of those matches that makes you feel satisfied. Almost 1hr, perfectly matched TvT. A lot of back and forth, neither of us turtled up, both of us lost a bunch of expansions, both of us pulled back from some sketchy positions. I managed to wear him down to a win when he made an odd choice and switched to a Battlecruiser+Marine Setup, which gets eaten by Marine+Maraduer+Tank+Viking. Learned a few things, such as how tanks are really pretty OP, and how Thors are very weak against mech. Very fun game though. The guy was high ranked gold too which was a bonus.

[Rasix]

I don't think anyone has fun playing against Terran.  I destroy Zerg, do pretty decent against other Protoss, but Terran just kills me. It's either the bio-blob or the marine/tank/viking(optional) that kicks my ass sideways.  I think I lost like 5 in a row last night to just Terran (mostly early marine/tank pushes).

Even as Terran I didn't like playing other Terran.

edit: Of course,  most tournaments I've seen have Terran usually knocked out before the finals. 

[Mosesandstick]

Stupid q, what's mech?

[Ironwood]

Mech is the sum total of the Terran Mechanised force.  This includes Thors and Seige Tanks.  The wee dune buggy things also technically count, since they can really be used to good effect against Zerg expansions.  5 of them will utterly rape your drones in seconds.

Playing against Terran is like cancer to the crotch.

[Fordel]

Mech is anything not from the Barracks more or less. The Factory and Starport units.


The popular thing to do is Harass with the Hellions, while you build up a critical mass of siege tanks, then cover those with Thor's and Vikings for anti-air. You can just turtle in your base, slowly expanding it's reach across the map with more Turrets and Towers.

Or you can alternatively locked your enemy in his own base, Zerg players stuck on one base are very much sad pandas .



I still want to see what happens if the Zerg player just goes entirely into Corrupter/Broodlord in this scenario, I keep watching replays of zerg just massing up the standard roach/hydra armies and wondering why the 5th wave didn't work.

[Fordel]

Once again, speak of the devil units and!

Patch: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23094049316&postId=251691264421&sid=5000#18

[Mosesandstick]

Rick roll! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6xoCSUEedU&feature=player_embedded

All hail the SC2 map editor.

[K9]

I'm not sure Brood Lords needed a nerf.

Database resets ftl...

[Ironwood]

Yes, reapers needed to be made stronger.  We're not seeing enough of them.

 

[Thrawn]

Rick roll! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6xoCSUEedU&feature=player_embedded

All hail the SC2 map editor.

Thats going to become really annoying when it's half the custom games on B.net. 

[Wolf]

Re corruptor/broodlord - terran builds the extremely cost effective hard counter (viking) and the game is over. Also greater spire is very very very late into the tech tree.

[Rasix]

Chargelots v. bioball seems to work OK.

edit: Tanks still suck.

[K9]

Yeah charging zealots mess up terran bio.

[SurfD]

How does one launch a replay from a "previous version"?  The game asks me if i want to log out and fire up an older version when i try to play the replay, but when i click yes, it just loads up the most current version every time.

[Mosesandstick]

Second stupid q, what's a bioball? (Thanks all  )