StarCraft II Beta

[Ingmar]

If your record is basically even win-loss wise that means the matchmaking system is working just about perfectly, yeah. I wonder if it is just straight ELO more or less, or if it also takes into account factors like APM, etc.? I know they have the capability to track all kinds of wacky stats that they could theoretically be integrating into the matchmaking.

[Fordel]

Well APM can be inflated pretty easily with useless cheese if you actually give a shit about the raw stat.

[Malakili]

If your record is basically even win-loss wise that means the matchmaking system is working just about perfectly, yeah. I wonder if it is just straight ELO more or less, or if it also takes into account factors like APM, etc.? I know they have the capability to track all kinds of wacky stats that they could theoretically be integrating into the matchmaking.

I think the real problem isn't that I care about the wins and losses per se.  I'd like to have good games.  I don't really feel that most of my games are all that good. 

[Fordel]

It's the feeling of "fuck, I built my barracks on peon 12 not 11, jesus christ I am dooooomed" right? I hate that shit too.

[LK]

To be fair, this game is made for a very specific type of player.

[Malakili]

It's the feeling of "fuck, I built my barracks on peon 12 not 11, jesus christ I am dooooomed" right? I hate that shit too.

Well yeah, that goes back a couple posts to the general stressed and uncomfortable feeling I get from playing the game.  More to the point though, I feel like I have very few hard fought wins, and when I lose I don't feel like I've generally put up all that good a fight. There are very few games that I look back and say "Well, there was this critical moment where the game is even and one player took the upper hand" or whatever.  Its more like, welllllll, that guy was just better than me right from the beginning or vice versa.

[proudft]

Yeah, I have the same feeling.  It's why I haven't played it in over a week now.

[Fordel]

Yeah, I have the same feeling.  It's why I haven't played it in over a week now.

We need to setup more comedy FFA's then! Where Ingmar tries to voidray rush me and I skillfully shoo him away with my endless steam of marines.


Marines, the answer to every problem in SC2 

[Ingmar]

"rush"

[Fordel]

It was a rush relative to our usual speeds!

[Samwise]

I've never enjoyed hardcore ladder play all that much in SC, and I don't see myself doing any of that in SC2.  I'll buy it for the single player campaign.  If there's any fun to be had in the FFA pubtard scene, which is where I got most of my multiplayer yuks in SC1, so much the better.

[Wolf]

Don't forget that the full game will have the scenario editor with it, which will bring the innevitable dotas with it :)

I'm still having tons of fun, but than agian I was competing at national level way back when in the early days of brood war, so I'm kind of having a throwback moment here. The only annoying thing is the level of cheese in ladder. Got 6 pooled 3 (!!!!) games in a row in zvz yesterday. Ragequit out of the last one.

[Mosesandstick]

That's the main reason I've played Blizzard RTSs, for the custom maps. Fooling around second and the campaign third.

[bhodi]

I'm still having tons of fun, but than agian I was competing at national level way back when in the early days of brood war, so I'm kind of having a throwback moment here. The only annoying thing is the level of cheese in ladder. Got 6 pooled 3 (!!!!) games in a row in zvz yesterday. Ragequit out of the last one.

Bnet name! Let's do 2v2s!  Also fuck the 6pool. What bullshit. If you scout it fast enough, or if they can't micro well enough you can defend, sorta, otherwise it's a game oooverrr.

The custom maps are gonna be great. I'm sure the most famous ones will be ported immediately.

[Wolf]

Wolf.iclan I'm eu though.

The "newest" sixpool is super annoying. 6 pool, 2 drones mine for a bit send out two scouts on a bigger map; make 6 zerglings and pop two sunkens in opponents base. Gg :(

[bhodi]

Wolf.iclan I'm eu though.

The "newest" sixpool is super annoying. 6 pool, 2 drones mine for a bit send out two scouts on a bigger map; make 6 zerglings and pop two sunkens in opponents base. Gg :(

Got a replay?

Damn EU. No way for us to play I guess. I hate these stupid boundaries.

[Fordel]

Patch: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23094049316&postId=242397824179&sid=5000#9



Finally, Marauders and Roaches get their much needed nerfs.

[LK]

That's a lot of number changes. Good thing in the long run, but given the long development cycle of the game, I would have thought more things would have been spot on.

[Fordel]

The Roach was just overpowered, so in order to counter the Roach, they had to make the Marauder also overpowered. I wouldn't be surprised if Immortals got a little +armored dmg nerf on the side as well.


The Thor build time decrease is just so people might actually build one or two 

[Wolf]

oh wow :) They just broke any roach strat in zvz. Zergling used to destroy Roaches with +1 attack, now they have it by default. Marauders change is no biggie, so almost nothing to address the triangle of boring (Roach, Mara & Immortal), except for a small Roach nerf.

Where can I upload that replay?

[K9]

The first replay I see with Thors and it is pure cheese 

[Ratman_tf]

The first replay I see with Thors and it is pure cheese  

Well, we all know mechs would rock in real combat. They have to model that in the game.

[Teleku]

The first replay I see with Thors and it is pure cheese 

Now that was hilarious.

[Draegan]

Since I know nothing about the pro-Starcraft scene you guys need to keep posting cool replays.  I enjoy watching them.

[Malakili]

So, I ended up uninstalling this, and haven't missed it at all.  I guess that pretty much sums it up for me.

[Goreschach]

I got my beta email a few days ago. And no, none of you can have my friends key. Mostly because I didn't get one. If any of you are having trouble, hit me up at Goreschach.goreschach. This game is kicking my ass. Figured I wouldn't be so rusty at starcraft, but then I haven't played in like 5 years. My multitasking seems to be nonexistent.

[Lakov_Sanite]

So, I ended up uninstalling this, and haven't missed it at all.  I guess that pretty much sums it up for me.

Can I gave your stuff?

[Lantyssa]

The first replay I see with Thors and it is pure cheese 

Dude's Ego hits you for 999 damage!

"This is just a casual game."  "Look at this stoopid noob!"  "OMG!  He didn't place the building five feet to the right, what an idiot."  "I'll be honest with you... he sucks."

This game is definitely not for me.  Thanks for the preview.

[LK]

No, multiplayer is definitely a game for the hardcore. Single player is what they'll hand off to the n00bs, and RTS isn't the first thing I think of when I think "strong game mechanics to tell a story with."

[Draegan]

When the guy in the THOR video who was talking about building 5 inches to the left was talking about his own placement.

Oh, and can someone link a cool Protoss replay using protoss' high end tech stuff?

[bhodi]

That guy is a total douche. Don't judge it based on him.

Don't know how many times we can say that the beta is 1v1 which by default is filled with assmunchers and cockgoblins. The "real" game is going to be a whole lot more.

[K9]

That guy is a total douche. Don't judge it based on him.

Pretty much; there's two channels I'm watching for beta games, Husky (Thor Guy) and HDStarcraft. Husky is a raging douche, HDStarcraft comes over as a lot more down to earth in his commentary.

Oh, and can someone link a cool Protoss replay using protoss' high end tech stuff?

I haven't really seen any good games where any of the Tier 3 units come into play.  I'm yet to see carriers, thors, ultralisks or motherships used in any game; this is product of the rush tendency in high-level 1v1 I guess. Fun gives way to efficiency  

Here's a game that features Dark Templar and Brood Lords and has quite a lot of back and forth in it.
PART 1
PART 2
PART 3

A fun game showcasing Helions and Hydralisks (which I haven't seen used much)
Part 1
Part 2

[Thrawn]

I just watched a replay where the winning Protoss player rushed a mothership, ill see if I can find it when I get home if no one beats me to it.

[Ingmar]

Collector's Edition details:

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html?100408

[Thrawn]

Seems easy enough, buy the collectors edition, sell the WoW Thor pet code on eBay to make up the differance.