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Az, I think you need to calm down, the pad moving has nothing to do with the puck at all, as Naum has stated. He's definitely bumped, but it means nothing. The puck was wide open behind him drifting back and went in.
EDIT: Hell Sportscenter played the goal cam not 20s ago, it's a goal.
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Continue watching the video. The puck is stopped under the pad. It is then directed into the net through the motion of the pad which is clearly caused by Cleary, as shown very clearly on the first replay in the video.
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The refs watched it, I'm just going with that at this point. Is it close and odd? Hell yes. It's not something you see every day. Hell, it's not something you see 3 times in a season. But I'm not seeing the pad. The refs aren't seeing the pad, and it was quick. They didn't think about it much. It wasn't under the pad.
EDIT: Hell, it even got reviewed, you're paddling upstream here.
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One large note:
It seems that rounds three and four MAY be stuck together, meaning you don't get to pick again for the finals. At least, that's the way it looks.
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You need to see the goal cam angle Az, the puck was clearly loose.
And bumping goalies? Remeber when Crosby slidetackled Biron for a goal?
Can't find the goal cam angle for the game 6 goal by Fedetenko.
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Haha, I knew the slidetackle would be brought up.
As I remember that goal, the puck was already on its way in without the contact. If not, it's bullshit. I don't need to try to defend something my favourite team did just because.
But you also have to remember that it's the NHL. Bullshit comes with the territory.
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So Versus is working out well for Gary. The Penguins' blowout win over the Capitals drew 1.1 million viewers on Versus Wednesday night, finishing behind Games 1, 2 and 3 in viewership. Keep in mind that the first three games of the series were exclusive to NBC (Game 1) and Versus (Games 2 and 3), as opposed to Game 7, which was non-exclusive.
Both Games 4 and 5 last Friday and Saturday night -- the latter of which went to overtime -- drew fewer than 1 million viewers. Game 4 drew a paltry 647,000 viewers, making it the 81st most-viewed program on cable that night. Game 5 perked up to a still unimpressive 864,000 viewers.
Through Game 5, Versus averaged 1.1 million viewers for its coverage of the Penguins/Capitals series. To put that in perspective, regular season NBA games averaged 1.7 million viewers on TNT and ESPN, and regular season MLB telecasts on ESPN in '08 also averaged 1.7 million. In other words, the NHL's biggest stars playing in a hard-fought seven-game playoff series cannot compare in viewership to run-of-the-mill regular season NBA and MLB telecasts. But that's because nobody in the US cares about hockey. It's not the fault of Versus or Mr. Bettman. The Penguins' series-clinching victory drew a 25.0 rating on FSN Pittsburgh Wednesday night, making the game the highest rated Penguins telecast ever on the net, and the highest rated NHL game ever on any FOX Sports RSN.
This marks the third straight game the Penguins have drawn a record high rating. Monday's Game 6 between the Penguins and Capitals drew a 24.2, and Saturday's Game 5 drew a 21.4. |
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Moving off of ESPN was the dumbest thing the NHL ever did.
Yep, I was a RABID hockey fan until the strike, and the move. I watched every ESPN national game, had a hockey package, and watched all the local games. As I've said before, if they move back to a real network, I would start watching them again. When that strike hit, I had nothing left but baseball, and I've never gone back. Baseball offers me what hockey can't right now. All the local games are televised, ESPN does regular coverage of it nationall 2 nights a week minimum, and I can watch it while playing games and not miss a damn thing. |
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Ratings for Penguins Continue To Soar on FSN http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09135/970318-61.stmPittsburgh could claim the title of Hockeytown.
The Penguins' 6-2 win Wednesday night against the Washington Capitals in Game 7 of their second-round NHL playoff series set another telecast record, registering a 24.97 average rating on FSN Pittsburgh, according to Nielsen Media Research.
The deciding game in the series was the most-watched NHL game on FSN, surpassing Game 6, which drew a 24.2 rating and Game 5, which had a 21.2.
"The record ratings are further affirmation that Pittsburgh is a very rich and deep hockey market," said Ted Black, senior vice president and general manager of FSN Pittsburgh.
Game 7 also was the highest-rated NHL game for any FSN regional sports network and peaked at a 31.4 rating (361,000 households) from 9:15-9:30 p.m.
Similar markets encounter same success - Buffalo, Boston, even Carolina now enjoy strong fan base and have good TV ratings on local level… Versus isn't even available to many markets. While I get most all the games via Centre Ice + Vs. + NBC on DirecTV dish here, the monopoly cable TV holder (outside of a few small patches in exurban PHX) didn't even include Versus until 2009 here. Even when ESPN had the NHL, it was an uphill deal as NHL in the late 1980s (1st time they dumped ESPN), they eschewed national TV for a strategy of local market focus and blew their wad on an ill-fated alliance with SportsChannel (yeah, I bet for most of you, that isn't even faintly recalled) — even in most markets, their penetration was limited. In Pittsburgh, Pens games were inaccessible to many cable systems. Forget it, if you lived in non-NHL market, as televised pro hockey ceased to exist. I lived in Alabama late 1980s, early 1990s and I was a frustrated hockey fan, who could only follow in USA Today… A few years later ESPN (in '92 I think) snagged it back and the league enjoyed a resurgence of viewership, especially with the exciting brand of hockey played, along with showcasing Gretzky (in LA), Lemieux, Messier and lesser stars like Selanne, LaFontaine, Roenick, etc.… And the big city markets all had competitive teams - Toronto, LA, NY Rangers, NJ, Chicago even Islanders were making the playoffs then… So Versus is working out well for Gary. The Penguins' blowout win over the Capitals drew 1.1 million viewers on Versus Wednesday night, finishing behind Games 1, 2 and 3 in viewership. Keep in mind that the first three games of the series were exclusive to NBC (Game 1) and Versus (Games 2 and 3), as opposed to Game 7, which was non-exclusive.…
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Well, I'm all Pens and Wings so if you wanna sneak up..
Pens/Canes series I think is pretty 50/50, anyway.
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Backstrom calls Crosby "the best": The way he played against us now, he's the best. Ovechkin is great from the redline and down, but Crosby great all over the ice. We knew how dangerous he was infront of the net, but we still couldn't do anything about it. It may look like he's got alot of luck, but it's more about being in the right place, and he's almost always in the right place. http://gd.se/sport/ishockey/1.1043868 |
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So Adam Burrish is lucky to not be a corpse.
Holy fuck.
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Quiet in here all of a sudden.
Guess with the Canadian teams exiting the scene, nobody cares much for Hawks, Wings, Canes and only a few of us Pens fans here…
Khabibulin needs to get hot or Hawks will be clipped in 4. I love the way their D-men play but they got to be smarter with puck, or it's going to be very short series. Score did not reflect how close the game really was, but Wings took control in 3rd, when it mattered.
On Pens v. Canes, game #1 notes:
* …thanks Vs. for showing the replay of Orpik penalty :( — still have no idea what he did but it must have been flagrant and Orpik got to keep his wits
* …should that have been a goaltender interference penalty on Eric Staal on 2nd Canes goal? All the announcers thought so but already Canes put one in discounted (a flagrant goaltender interference)? I not a rulebook-nazi so I don't know if swiping the stick (and then again swiping it further away from the netminder) is indeed a "goaltender interference" infraction? Guess since Pens held on and prevailed nobody squawking…
* …Gonchar looks really shaky, unable to get much of a stride, but he got better, still, he looks like grave defensive liability even on PP…
* …Pens can't afford to get ultra conservative with a 2-0 lead, they need to keep to their game
* …neither team played at their best, though Fleury did dazzle early and Ward was sensational after first 2…
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I think it's quiet because nobody gives the Hawks or Canes any chance. If Detroit and Pitt go up 2-0, everyone's gonna stop watching unless they live in those cities.
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I don't give the Blackhawks much chance. Wings will take them out in six but the outcome won't be in much doubt. Pens/Canes is tough to call. Pens have the star power but Staal will give that defense all they handle and Ward is the better goaltender.
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Well, Fleury can be amazing sometimes, like I said. And he was in that game.
Problem is that if he wasn't, Canes may have won. Mainly because after dominating the first period, the Pens decided the series was in the bag (as usual) and coasted through the rest of the game.
Gonchar has a torn ACL and is playing with a brace, so he's gonna be slow and relatively immobile. But it's better to have him than not, because without him our powerplay is awful.
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I don't give the Blackhawks much chance. Wings will take them out in six but the outcome won't be in much doubt. Pens/Canes is tough to call. Pens have the star power but Staal will give that defense all they handle and Ward is the better goaltender.
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After my round 2 debacle I have righted the ship and will be coming along side of you pretty soon Az with the intention of nosing you out at the end.
Although with such similar picks it may be difficult.
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I don't know if I'd go that far. I just dislike goalies or any part of them being pushed in while in any semblance of control of the puck to result in a goal. Never have.
It's always counted in the NHL, though.
It was the defense's fuck up. You can't allow a guy to be axing at your goalie, they didn't clear him out, cost them the series. Go Wings. |
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Egad, that was a rec league kind of muff… …in a post-game interview, he said something to the effect "yeah, i should have put some more sauce on that"… Was flicking back and forth to CHL Memorial Cup tourney (NHL channel televising all the games!)… …have to root for Kelowna, since half their team is comprised of U.S. lads… …didn't even know where Rimouski was and had to look it up on Wikipedia… |
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Okay, I'm saying it.
Shut the fuck up about the Phoenix Coyotes.
I can't do this anymore.
I used to love the playoffs. It was great. I'm watching pregame shows, postgame shows, analysis the next day, listening fucking radio shows at noon... totally having a blast with the hockey.
But for the last however long (time has no meaning in sports coverage) ALL anyone on ANY hockey show has talked about is the fucking Phoenix situation.
I can't stand it. I'm so incredibly sick of it. It's ALL anyone talks about and it's SO POINTLESS.
It's in court you douchebags. That means there's no resolution ANY TIME SOON. Christ, probably not THIS YEAR. And by your own admissions, NOTHING SPECTACULAR OR ODD IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN. THERE WILL BE NO TEAM IN CANADA. YOU CAN'T JUST BUY A TEAM AND EXCLAIM "I'M MOVING IT TO UGANDA FUCKERS AHAHAHA!!!!!!!!". ESPECIALLY IF THE COMMISSIONER HATES YOUR FUCKING GUTS. THAT OR YOU WORK WITH HIM DILIGENTLY TO ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE THE PRICE OF FRANCHISES.
EITHER WAY, NOBODY CARES ANYMORE. SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU'RE RUINING THE PLAYOFFS.
There.
Fuck.
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They have to have something to talk about this round. These matchups are incredibly lame and I'm certainly not watching them. If the Canes actually win game 2, then people may start paying attention again, but I'm not sure they can.
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Shut the fuck up about the Phoenix Coyotes.
I can't do this anymore.
I used to love the playoffs. It was great. I'm watching pregame shows, postgame shows, analysis the next day, listening fucking radio shows at noon... totally having a blast with the hockey.
But for the last however long (time has no meaning in sports coverage) ALL anyone on ANY hockey show has talked about is the fucking Phoenix situation.
I can't stand it. I'm so incredibly sick of it. It's ALL anyone talks about and it's SO POINTLESS.
It's in court you douchebags. That means there's no resolution ANY TIME SOON. Christ, probably not THIS YEAR. And by your own admissions, NOTHING SPECTACULAR OR ODD IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN. THERE WILL BE NO TEAM IN CANADA. YOU CAN'T JUST BUY A TEAM AND EXCLAIM "I'M MOVING IT TO UGANDA FUCKERS AHAHAHA!!!!!!!!". ESPECIALLY IF THE COMMISSIONER HATES YOUR FUCKING GUTS. THAT OR YOU WORK WITH HIM DILIGENTLY TO ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE THE PRICE OF FRANCHISES.
Regardless of your sentiments, it's news, and yesterday was a big day on the fate of an NHL franchise. Mediation ordered, but next Wednesday judge will rule on who "controls" the team - NHL or Moyes. Which still doesn't settle the other question that even if it's in Moyes hands, does buyer have right to move team. A rally was held last weekend and interesting, Ellman (former owner, and then partner of Moyes) who owns Westgate (the mega-block that houses Coyotes, Cardinals, restaurants, movie theaters, office complexes, etc.…) would not allow rally to be held on site and it had to be moved across the street to Native New Yorker. 500-1K people showed up, depending on whose estimates you believe… Now, Las Vegas businessman who presently owns 3% of Coyotes stepped up to the potential ownership plate. |
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But that's because nobody in the US cares about hockey. It's not the fault of Versus or Mr. Bettman. Actually, I think part of that fault IS with Versus. It's such a small channel that few people know they have it if they even have it, finding it is difficult and its coverage blows monkeys. ESPN for all its faults was at least ubiquitous in households. Bettman should have been sucking Disney's cock to get his product back on ESPN when the strike was over, if for nothing more than the exposure alone. |
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I was being sarcastic, Haemish.
As far as the Coyotes, fine. Report on it. Reporting on a 500-1k rally (which was reported as 250 "or significantly less" in Canada) or rumblings of a minority owner perhaps purchasing the team and keeping it in Phoenix is a 5 minute segment.
The rest of the time, how about you talk about the playoffs.
Reporting on court cases all day every day is fucking ridiculous. Sorry. This ain't OJ.
I suppose part of my anger comes from how incredibly LAME the post game coverage has been. It's usually 5-10 minutes of stupid, obvious observation if it's anything at all. The hockey talk has been the same thing. Five or ten minutes talking about tonight's game, then 45 minutes about the fucking Phoenix court case. Like honestly, let's get a fucking grip here.
I realize that it's news. But in no way does it demand 90% of all hockey talk airtime for the next 10 months. And especially not during the playoffs. Let's be serious here.
Or maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm voting with my fucking remote. Hell, maybe I'll get some actual work done.
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They have to have something to talk about this round. These matchups are incredibly lame and I'm certainly not watching them. If the Canes actually win game 2, then people may start paying attention again, but I'm not sure they can.
I agree with this. I guess there's something to talk about with DET/CHI, but you can only say "THE HAWKZ R TEH YUNG OILERZ" so many times - and everyone knows the Wings are going to win. So.. yeah, not that interesting. Canes just aren't interesting period. PIT/BOS would have been ten times the series. |
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Yes, I would have been glued to a Pens/Bruins series. As it is, I'm just waiting out the clock while watching regular season Braves games every night and flipping to check the scores in the NHL/NBA playoff games during commercials.
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Yes, I would have been glued to a Pens/Bruins series. As it is, I'm just waiting out the clock while watching regular season Braves games every night and flipping to check the scores in the NHL/NBA playoff games during commercials.
I think assessments awarding Pens a series victory over Canes are a bit premature. Canes have the best goalie of the teams left and a superior D-man corp 1-6. But I can see the view that it's a cakewalk for Red Wings, as none of the teams remaining can offer up anymore a challenge than last season's edition of the Pens. Red Wings added pieces and improved a Cup winning team. Pens barely managed to scrape together pieces to get back where they were a season ago, and even then, it's arguable whether this year's squad is its equal. Then, throw in a damaged Gonchar and a shaky Fleury… |
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It's not equal, even with a healthy Gonchar and a sturdy Fleury.
I don't see how Detroit doesn't win the cup again.
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Anyone else watch the Anaheim series?
They were a goal away from elimination. One injury to say, Nick Lidstrom (though he's a rock), and it could change everything around for them. I'm a Detroit fan, and honestly I haven't been all that impressed with our stars. Pavel has played hard, and had good ice time, but can't get da puck in da net. Zetterburg is playin' alright...Hossa is...well...bad.
Cleary is my new hero. Game winner in game 7, then a 2 goal game to help take game 1...and that huge breakaway in G2. Samuelsson has had a goal in each of the last three games...steppin up.Not sure what these guys are missing, but the cup is not a wrap yet.
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Anyone else watch the Anaheim series?
They were a goal away from elimination. One injury to say, Nick Lidstrom (though he's a rock), and it could change everything around for them. I'm a Detroit fan, and honestly I haven't been all that impressed with our stars. Pavel has played hard, and had good ice time, but can't get da puck in da net. Zetterburg is playin' alright...Hossa is...well...bad.
Out of all the teams in the Cup tourney, Anaheim probably matched up best against Wings and indeed they had a lot of trouble with Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan line. Also, Ducks were blessed with arguably best D-man unit in the league (consider Whitney, a #1-2 D-man for Pens is 5-6 guy there (and on 2nd team PP)), a hot goaltender and they, along with Pens, one of the hottest teams down the stretch… Datsyuk has been AWOL, Zetterburg OK, but they still serving up decent 2 way play. Franzen has been amazing and the biggest threat along with Cleary, Helm, and forward group #2-#3 linemates have really wreaked havoc. I just don't see the Pens D-corp containing (actually, Carolina may match up better) the depth of Wing lines, but in a seven game series, who knows what can happen… |
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