TF2: God save the queen!

[Strazos]

Well, if the shield actually shows up on the Sniper who has it equipped, it may not be so bad.

As someone who get targetted by spies A Lot, I'll give it a shot, but it will be a shame to give up my SMG, which I do actually use a lot to good effect.

Now I'm very interested in what will replace the machete, which I never use.

[Hoax]

Better be a boomerang that can grab health ammo and bring it back to the sniper ala Zelda.  That'd be awesome.

[Strazos]

That might be tough to implement correctly, especially the collision detection.

[Hindenburg]

That might be tough to implement correctly, especially the collision detection.

You do realize that it'd just be a gravity gun with different graphics?

[Strazos]

It'd be nice if the pickups could be blocked be stepping in front of the boomerang though.

[Triforcer]

Negate an entire class with an upgrade?  Fucking bullshit, especially since its MY class.

NERDRAGE!!!!  Shouldn't we have a smiley for nerdrage? 

[Prospero]

The shield seems way too situational to be useful, and way too easy to get around, but I really like the visual of Australian turtles running around.

[HaemishM]

So you can only use it once per life, it probably slows you to heavy speed and then you are just as vulnerable as before only you no longer have your SMG to kill that spy that tried to backstab you?

I have no problem with this, especially since once the initial stun is over for the spy, he can fade back into the woodwork if he survives.

[Teleku]

How the fuck would you even know when to use it?  The point is that the spy one shots you before you even know he's there.  Wouldn't you have to see him coming first before you can activate this effectively?

[Samwise]

I would guess that it's always on when you have it "equipped" in the loadout menu.  So you lose your SMG, but you're effectively immune to backstabs.  (The one-use limit will probably matter only rarely because most snipers are in easy reach of their ammo cabinet and will head there after any close-up engagement.)

[Ookii]

I would guess that it's always on when you have it "equipped" in the loadout menu.  So you lose your SMG, but you're effectively immune to backstabs.  (The one-use limit will probably matter only rarely because most snipers are in easy reach of their ammo cabinet and will head there after any close-up engagement.)

Then if one team has very good spys (or just simply more of them) you can effectively neutralize all of the opposing team's snipers because they'll have a speed debuff.  If the spys don't get them the more maneuverable opposing snipers will take care of them.

Or maybe spies will stop griefing and take care of those turrets!

[Samwise]

If you're somehow able to devote two skilled people to the sole task of neutralizing each opponent, you don't need unlocks to do it.   

[Strazos]

I wouldn't mind if the shield is Purely a one-shot deal, with no reloads of any kind.

[Samwise]

I wouldn't mind if the shield is Purely a one-shot deal, with no reloads of any kind.

Unless it's some sort of bizarre one-shot-per-map deal (which would be insane), you would always be able to reload by going back to your spawn, switching class, and switching back (since you'll effectively respawn).  Or change your loadout back to the SMG, get it from the cabinet, then change it back.  That being the case, it would be silly to not just have the ammo cabinet replenish it directly.

[HaemishM]

Maybe it won't replenish until you die?

[Trippy]

NERDRAGE!!!!  Shouldn't we have a smiley for nerdrage? 

If you can find a good one.

[Triforcer]

Or maybe...IT DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL!???!!?

http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate

Both watches sound yummy.  I think I like the infinite invisibility one better though.

[Samwise]

GENTLEMEN.

[Samwise]

Jarate lives!

I'm shocked and awed all at once.

[Soln]

"Jarate is also able to short out Spies’ cloaking devices."

awesome heh

[Prospero]

It does what I wanted it to do; douse my fiery team mates. That alone makes it rad. The damage buff is just gravy. Also that comic is 

edit: Also make sure to check the blog entry

[Trippy]

Jarate lives!

I'm shocked and awed all at once.

Oh god that's nasty. What's next? The Engineer turret modified to shoot poo?

[Prospero]

No, poo isn't funny. Pee is hilarious though.

[Malakili]

You know, I wouldn't mind something like a mark.  That it so say, the new sniper rifle doesn't do headshots, but has some sort of on hit thing that marks the target (some sort of obvious graphic).  While marked, the guy take a bit more damage.  Only one guy can be marked at a time, so shooting someone new overrides the old one.

That piss jar was an Aprils Fools joke.

Still, i don't exclude the idea that they still might put it in the game.    I know that they released that image on april fools, but would the REAL joke be to then actually put it in?  Valve has put in some stupid stuff into TF2 already, so I'm not ruling it out.

I'm a genius!

Yeah, yeah, forget the point that I thought the new sniper rifle would be the marking device.

[Sjofn]

I am grossed out, yet so amused. I think it's the little testamonial at the bottom there that makes it funny enough I can forget about how nasty it is. 

[Triforcer]

Putting aside the grossness, I don't see this as being worth it.  In what situation would debuffing some to take more damage actually be better than damaging them?  Enemy players aren't raid bosses, and any class can take out any other class in seconds.

Plus, the cloak shorter-outer feature also seems worthless.  If you are that close to the spy, he's fighting you anyway and shorting his cloak out doesn't help (plus you have no melee weapon to fight him with).  When does a spy ever retreat from a sniper fight with cloak? 

I can't see many serious snipers using this, give the range of the Kukri and its relative superiority over the SMG at close ranges.

[Prospero]

I throw pee and hit an incoming group of 5 players. You set off some stickies and do 35% more damage. Or you jump in and start burning them to death. I'm pretty sure in both those cases a lot more hurt is going to be put out than I could do with my overgrown knife.

[Samwise]

If Jarate took the place of the SMG and the Razorback took the place of the kukri (everyone's been assuming the converse because of the order they were announced in, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything), I can see Jarate being a nice combo with the kukri.  Throw the jar as you approach, then give 'em the ol' chop-chop as they reel in digust.

Or hell, the SMG might be a decent weapon if it effectively did 35% more damage.

[Kageru]

Certainly in the "coolness" stakes the spy seems to be doing much better. A bow and arrow, wooden shield and a jar of urine as upgrades?

[HaemishM]

I'm beginning to think working on Valve's TF2 web site as a writer, artist or designer would just be a googleton of fun. Those updates are pure win.

[stu]

I've seen Jarate IRL. It works.

[NiX]

Certainly in the "coolness" stakes the spy seems to be doing much better. A bow and arrow, wooden shield and a jar of urine as upgrades?

He's a sniper. From Australia.

[Megrim]

Oh ouch.

[Strazos]

Pretty sure I'll be using all 3 upgrades on my sniper, and I'm not a bad sniper.

note: I never use the kukri; I feel better and see better results with the SMG. And I have made spies run away with their cloak on.

[Malakili]

Patch notes are up, this patch is live right now...currently downloading it at a snails pace..

Didn't see that coming