Quick PVP gear question...

[Fordel]

I'm a mere 10k HK's away from the 50k HK achievement.


My best advice for capturing that old 1v1 feeling, is defend a tower/bunker in AV that normally doesn't get defended after the zergs blow past them. Assuming your battlegroup isn't one of those totally fucked up one where one side starts with 9 players vs 40 at least.

Retaking Stonehearth or Icewing bunker, 3.5 mins into the capture timer, then just waiting to see who comes to save the day.


The other thing (again depending on your server, I think you've mentioned WG being dead during off hours already on yours) is just cruising WG when the battle isn't up. Where I play, it's a semi-decent way to find people. It's also lets you get that PvP server feel, while still letting you fuck off and do your Hodir dailies or whatever if you get annoyed.

[WindupAtheist]

When the hell does Season 6 start, anyway? I want my welfare honor purples, and I'm up to like 69k honor even taking it slow.

[Vash]

When the hell does Season 6 start, anyway? I want my welfare honor purples, and I'm up to like 69k honor even taking it slow.

If you talk to the Arena organizer in Dalaran they tell you it will start next Tues.  I'm assuming it will be in a mini-patch with all the Noblegarden holiday stuff.

Edit: As a bonus it gives them a chance to see all of the class/talent changes they made in live for a week to catch any bugs that could screw up class balance even worse for the next Season (like Warlock's conflag being able to crit for 10k+ which has already been hotfixed).

[Evil Elvis]

(like Warlock's conflag being able to crit for 10k+ which has already been hotfixed).

I find it funny that warlock's are getting hotfixed asap (even though the damage was complained about multiple times on ptr), but 9k+ Death Strikes that can heal for 14k+ is fine.

[WindupAtheist]

I find it high-fucking-larious that PVE people can buy PVP gear right now with whatever the latest poopsock token is, but I have to wait for the next arena season to start before I can buy any new shit with honor.

[K9]

Nobody will be buying PvP gear with tokens for a month or two at least, since the supply of those is very limited. The next arena season is in 4 days, it's hardly a monumentous wait.

[Xanthippe]

(like Warlock's conflag being able to crit for 10k+ which has already been hotfixed).

I find it funny that warlock's are getting hotfixed asap (even though the damage was complained about multiple times on ptr), but 9k+ Death Strikes that can heal for 14k+ is fine.

I've pretty much lost interest in playing over the constant changes that have been made.  I have played, since the expansion, a hunter (which seems to have gotten worse), a warlock (which seems to have gotten worse) and a priest (which seems to have gotten better, but I still get dead quickly vs. a DK).

Are we all supposed to be DKs or pallies?

I know I'm whining, but I keep waiting for the changes to DKs, or at least for Ghostcrawler to stop making stupid statements (like "since hunters are easy to play, they shouldn't do as much damage as other classes").  Any day now.

[Selby]

Are we all supposed to be DKs or pallies?

Apparently, yes.  I've had the same issues since way back in the original game with my mage.  Never was good at PvP in any way, only the element of surprise or ganking someone already low on health would result in a win.  I don't even bother to seriously PvP anymore because of it.  I've assumed that Blizzard likes the way things are and doesn't feel like changing them to suit my needs any time soon ;-)

[Merusk]

Ghostwalker said that? Man i knew the guy was a tool, but for fuck's sake that's beyond even the retardation he was spewing last year.  I'm convinced it's just that they hate hunters.

[Simond]

(like Warlock's conflag being able to crit for 10k+ which has already been hotfixed).

I find it funny that warlock's are getting hotfixed asap (even though the damage was complained about multiple times on ptr), but 9k+ Death Strikes that can heal for 14k+ is fine.

That got hotfixed not long afterwards, thanks.

E: And by 'hotfixed' I mean crippled, of course.

[Paelos]

Ghostwalker said that? Man i knew the guy was a tool, but for fuck's sake that's beyond even the retardation he was spewing last year.  I'm convinced it's just that they hate hunters.

They'll never get hunters right. Pet classes are a nightmare to balance in both raiding and pvp. Especially pvp though.

[Merusk]

You're right, the problem is they think of them as a pet class.  They shouldn't be, the pet is nothing more than an annoying DoT and a way to keep things at range when leveling-up.  That's all the further the pet should have been taken, because now it's just clown shoes trying to make the pets relevant without making them overpowered.  That's not going to happen.  Unholy  DKs were treated in the "it's another dot" way and its worked fine for that spec.

[Lantyssa]

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Hunter pets aren't DoTs, they're melee attacks.

 

[Hindenburg]

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Hunter pets are ranged dps.

 

[Lantyssa]

Ranged DoTs with an immobilization component.  But close enough.  Glad you see the light.

[Kail]

I often wonder why every class isn't a pet class.  Why would Warlocks need a pet more than Mages and Priests, for example?  Surely both classes could get a crappy tank pet suitable for solo PvE without making Warriors useless, or whatever the rationale is for withholding them.  Maybe give Warriors and Rogues something that has some kind of gimpy out-of-combat heal or something.  It always amazed me how much more fun my resto shaman was when he had his earth elemental out, because healing was actually useful, rather than something you do because your gimped DPS kills the enemy slower than they kill you.

[Hindenburg]

Maybe give Warriors and Rogues something that has some kind of gimpy out-of-combat heal or something. 

That's a great idea. I wonder why Blizzard never added anything of the sort?

[Kail]

Maybe give Warriors and Rogues something that has some kind of gimpy out-of-combat heal or something. 

That's a great idea. I wonder why Blizzard never added anything of the sort?

There's some pet that does first aid now?  Whu?

[Sheepherder]

Really what warriors need is a way to impale themselves which entails not getting a repair bill.  Dual-wielding two handers is expensive.

[Fordel]

Maybe give Warriors and Rogues something that has some kind of gimpy out-of-combat heal or something. 

That's a great idea. I wonder why Blizzard never added anything of the sort?

There's some pet that does first aid now?  Whu?

Actually... http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25883 

[Paelos]

You're right, the problem is they think of them as a pet class.  They shouldn't be, the pet is nothing more than an annoying DoT and a way to keep things at range when leveling-up.  That's all the further the pet should have been taken, because now it's just clown shoes trying to make the pets relevant without making them overpowered.  That's not going to happen.  Unholy  DKs were treated in the "it's another dot" way and its worked fine for that spec.

Either everyone has pets or nobody has pets. Trying to balance when some do and some don't is stupid.

[Rendakor]

The short list of classes without pets is in fact Warriors and Rogues.

[Fordel]

I must've missed the Paladin pet.

[Sjofn]

I must've missed the Paladin pet.

Paladins come with another paladin.

[Rendakor]

Oh yea, forgot about Paladins.

[Xanthippe]

Really what warriors need is a way to impale themselves which entails not getting a repair bill.  Dual-wielding two handers is expensive.

Hunters are no less expensive.  Our repair costs are lower but we have them whether we actually get hit or not, plus we get to spend 1g per 100 ammo and that's only if we make them ourselves - buying them doubles that cost.

[K9]

Either everyone has pets or nobody has pets. Trying to balance when some do and some don't is stupid.

Put me in the "no pets please" camp.

[Xanthippe]

Pet classes are not terribly powerful right now.

So why should there be no pet classes at all?

That would leave rogue, warrior and pally in WoW.

[K9]

That's not what I said, also there are only two pet classes. Summoning a shadowfiend for 15s every 5mins does not make my priest a pet class.

[Lantyssa]

It's possible to balance pet classes if the effort is put into it.  The pet isn't the problem.  How long have they been trying to balance Paladins (and everything else)?

[Xanthippe]

It's possible to balance pet classes if the effort is put into it.  The pet isn't the problem.  How long have they been trying to balance Paladins (and everything else)?

Franky, it really doesn't seem like they're trying hard enough to balance pallies and dks.  Both seem very powerful compared to anything I'm playing.

[WindupAtheist]

The Alliance losing 99% of everything it's involved in is sapping my will to PVP. If it weren't for Wintergrasp offense zergs and 4am AVs against like 12 horde guys, they would never win anything on my battlegroup.

[Merusk]

I lived through those days on Rampage.  Now at least it's 50/50 for everything except AV.  I wish I knew why Horde can consistently field 40 at the beginning, but Alliance can only get 12-15.

Though this week has truly, truly sucked in AB.  All the guys trying out their shiny new honor purples are running with the 'zerg the farm 24/7, forget about the other nodes.' strategy.

[nurtsi]

I just relapsed and subbed again. As I burned myself out with raiding in the classic with Nefarian, I'm not really into doing dungeons or raids (nor am I in a guild either). I like PVP, but I've never done any arenas since it seems too much dedication. Now I'm currently leveling my warrior up and I'm decked with merciless gladiator gear which seems to be better than the quest rewards at least so far (lvl 74 atm).

Now from what I gather, they've removed all welfare arena weapons, so is there any way to get PVP weapons now without going to the arena?

[Kail]

Now from what I gather, they've removed all welfare arena weapons, so is there any way to get PVP weapons now without going to the arena?

I don't know the math well enough to know how precisely uber it is, but my Paladin kicks much PvP ass with a Titansteel Destroyer, craftable by Blacksmiths or just purchasable off the Auction House.  There's also weapons you can get for champion tokens from the Argent Tournament.