Demon's Souls - Gameplay, etc.

[Morfiend]

You freed Sage Freke? Do you still have pure white tendency?

Umm, honestly, I dont know what my Tendency is. I dont really check, but I dont think its pure white.


I am still wandering around trying to find the archstone. Also, I dont think the boss gave me any souls when I killed it.

[schild]

Oh, lol, the archstone, not the keystone! Hah. Just walk to where the Fool's Idol spawned and gargoyles will pick you up.

[Quinton]

Ranged doesn't really work in this battle (and it's really the only one like that) - though I suppose on NG+, plague cloud would work.

Soul Arrow worked great -- I'd guess real arrows would work as well.

1. sprint past him and up the stairs (either side)
2. take out the archers along the wall
3. lock on to him -- not the spot on his eyes, the spot below that
4. stay under cover while he chucks lightning at you
5. duck out after and fire as he's winding up for the next throw (he'll move his shield aside just before and that's when you want to hit him)
6. he'll die in short order

I died the first time because I didn't start moving fast enough -- got hit by 3 arrows, stunned, then he dropped his shield on me. Crunch.  On my second attempt, I took off running and everything went smoothly.

[Falconeer]

I have a weird faint green cloud surrounding me all the times and there's a strange stone-like symbol below my health bars, a stone-like symbol with a green arrow pointing up on it. Can't get a clue about the meaning. Ideas?

And how do I perform emotes in co-op?

[schild]

I have a weird faint green cloud surrounding me all the times and there's a strange stone-like symbol below my health bars, a stone-like symbol with a green arrow pointing up on it. Can't get a clue about the meaning. Ideas?

And how do I perform emotes in co-op?

It's a buff.

For the latter, hold down X and use the d-pad.

[Morfiend]

I have a weird faint green cloud surrounding me all the times and there's a strange stone-like symbol below my health bars, a stone-like symbol with a green arrow pointing up on it. Can't get a clue about the meaning. Ideas?

As schild said its a buff. Probably from a ring.

[Yegolev]

I have no idea what I am doing.

Edit to say I guess, from reading this, I just need to concentrate on getting to the end of the first area since I can't upgrade shit before then.

[schild]

Just enjoy it. Be the aggressor.

[Yegolev]

Yea, after I posted that I went back downstairs and soon took the opposite tack: fuck dying and losing souls, just beat the shit out of things, maybe stock up on some herbs.  The main catalyst for that was when I learned how to backstab.   I don't think I can backstab that armored fucker up on the ramparts, but works pretty well on squishy targets if I can get into position.

I have found some equipment but it is all worse than my starting gear.  I wish I could sell things.

One question, I killed that blond chick around the column behind the blacksmith in the Nexus.  Is that going to bite me in the ass later?

[schild]

Why are you killing people in the Nexus? What was the impetus for that, umbasa?

I don't know if she matters. I mean, she's not a merchant but I'd imagine you're the first person ever to care about killing her.

[Yegolev]

That was before I read the message that said not to believe all the messages.  There was one at her feet that said "Attack!" and you know how I am.

[schild]

That was before I read the message that said not to believe all the messages.  There was one at her feet that said "Attack!" and you know how I am.

Heh. I was wondering who that would get first. Not my message, but yea.

[Yegolev]

System firmware update is blocking my cock.

[Morfiend]

Yeg, if you mean the black armored guy with red eyes. Skip him for now, come back when you have some skill upgrades. Hes not guarding anything you could use yet anyway.

[schild]

System firmware update is blocking my cock.

Hm, weird. This was the fastest one ever for me. Took 4 minutes including install.

[Morfiend]

System firmware update is blocking my cock.

Hm, weird. This was the fastest one ever for me. Took 4 minutes including install.

Took about 30 for me last night. And my connection is good.

[schild]

I did it at 7am ^_^

[Yegolev]

Yeg, if you mean the black armored guy with red eyes. Skip him for now, come back when you have some skill upgrades. Hes not guarding anything you could use yet anyway.

Not that guy.  He's a bastard and I don't go over there.  I mean the silver, blue-eyed one that I have to get past to get down to the explody barrels.  Reading some item descriptions, it seems I would possibly have more luck using the Mail Breaker instead of the Dagger.  He's a fucker, though I think I can use my new elite dodging skill on him.

System firmware update is blocking my cock.

Hm, weird. This was the fastest one ever for me. Took 4 minutes including install.

Four minutes is plenty to block out the rock out.

[schild]

Once you learn how to handle yourself, when/if you play through again, you'll be able to take out the blue eyed guys with a poopy weapon barely having to block. Your first time through the game is a learning experience, period.

[Yegolev]

Yes.  I beat the blue-eyed guy by using the mail breaker and a well-timed firebomb... and two not-so-well-timed firebombs.

[Yegolev]

I'm glad I persisted.  After I opened that gate and got the Cling Ring, things really started moving forward.

PS3 firmware needs a Screenshot function.

[schild]

I'm glad I persisted.  After I opened that gate and got the Cling Ring, things really started moving forward.

PS3 firmware needs a Screenshot function.

Screenshotting some of the stuff in this game would make the PS3 explode from too much awesome.

[Morfiend]

Once you learn how to handle yourself, when/if you play through again, you'll be able to take out the blue eyed guys with a poopy weapon barely having to block. Your first time through the game is a learning experience, period.

I completely agree (for once). This game is as much about leveling up your "play skill" as it is about your characters skills.

[Hindenburg]

So it's like Ninja Gaiden Black?

[schild]

So it's like Ninja Gaiden Black?

Ninja Gaiden black is shit compared to this. NGB was about memorizing enemy location and response. DS is more about understanding environments and being able to restructure the way you fight accordingly. The boss fights in Demon's Souls are more comparable to NGB in that you memorize the bosses movements (or lack thereof) and beat in their ass in a way that you won't get hit because getting hit basically means death.

[Hindenburg]

NGB was about memorizing enemy location and response. DS is more about understanding environments and being able to restructure the way you fight accordingly.

Putting aside the fact that both are the same thing, you didn't play it on master ninja, did you?

...and I'll cease the derail. D'SS is NGB on steroids. OK.

[schild]

NGB was about memorizing enemy location and response. DS is more about understanding environments and being able to restructure the way you fight accordingly.

Putting aside the fact that both are the same thing, you didn't play it on master ninja, did you?

Why would I? Doing the same movements on normal and hard but faster isn't exactly "fun" to me.

I think you've just got an obsession with ninjas. That's cool. Ninjas are pretty sweet. Typically I don't like knights, but Demon's Souls is the total package in a way other games simply aren't.

[Hindenburg]

Why would I? Doing the same movements on normal and hard but faster isn't exactly "fun" to me.

You're hilariously wrong about how the game plays on MN.

Those are pretty much the only ninja games I really liked. NG because after I finished beating it for the first time on Hard, went back and started a game on normal, and saw how the enemies that I found difficult were absolute trash, and then realized that it was like an rpg where the player actually improved, and NB simply due to sheer tokusatsu awesomeness. Tench was bleh. Shinobi was Bleh. Kunoichi was bleh. Can't remember other ninja games from the top of my head.

Gray Fox was pretty durn kickass, though.

[Yegolev]

It is indeed like Ninja Gaiden on rhinoceros steroids, if only in the manner you are approaching it, but that comment makes NG seem better than it really was.  If I had to, I'd say it was some combination of Ninja Gaiden and Tenchu Z, which was also by From.

Looking back, I can see Tenchu Z (which I enjoyed a lot) as an infant Demon's Souls; this is because they both share the control paradigm where you think it controls like shit at first, but later you realize that it is actually you that are shitty.  Is shitty?  I really loved Tenchu Z for the same player-growth mechanic where after completing about five missions on Normal I shifted to Hard, and after thirty on Hard I actually felt like an unstoppable ghost of death that could vacate entire villages of living humans without being seen.  Besides knowing how to swing a katana, you had to know where the enemies were, what kind, know your environment, and your own limitations.  During the first play of first level, though, it was like Curly Howard trying to break in and assassinate someone.

Still, comparing Demon's Souls to Tenchu Z is rather misleading when it comes to the environments.  TZ had just a few locations that were reused often, while Demon's Souls does not seem to have this issue... of course I have not been able to get out of the first area yet.  Also you cannot play dress-up as quickly and I think your appearance in DS is going to be determined by functional equipment while TZ had a great variety of non-player-affecting equipment.

[schild]

Blacksmith Ed is missing from one of my characters games. As such, I am finally going to take a break. The first real one since I got the game in. Afterwards I will, start, again, a new character. I'm halftempted to kill him on my main since I don't need him anymore.

[Morfiend]

Thats the guy I need to turn the Red Hot Soul in to right?

I cant seem to find him.

[schild]

2-1, down the elevator thing behind the merchant RIGHT at the beginning.

[schild]

http://www.justin.tv/noninja

Streaming my new character. No audio unfortunately. Who knows how it'll perform.

[schild]

Beat the tutorial boss, finished 1-1 in just under 30 minutes.

[schild]

Adjudicator and Armored Spider, down.