Demon's Souls - Gameplay, etc.

[LK]

I did that once. You can get the souls back.

Once you hit 10 Magic the magic guy stops calling you a brute and starts selling.

Not sure what Gold Armor is that it is refering to, but Enchant Weapon seems like a better effect in that I can make my hardcore weapon penetrate armor better.

[schild]

I'm very very serious when I say this may be the best action adventure game ever made.

And I don't think I'd be wrong to tag it with horror also.

There's something this game does with ambiance that hasn't been done since like Silent Hill 1.

[Strazos]

I briefly told my friend about this game, and he took it upon himself to import it.

I went over his house to check it out when he got it...I ended up watching/playing a bit for almost 5 hours. It ALMOST makes me want to buy a PS3 instead of build a new PC.

First character was a thief, but after the first vendor we swapped to using a spear 2-handed. Tried putting plate on him too, but that made him too slow. The Phalanx boss was actually really easy, just tossed on turpentine and heavy attacked with the spear.

What's really funny is the freedom to attack NPCs - accidentally shot the knight guy in the Nexus. That eventually led to slaughtering ALL the npcs, and a reroll.

[LK]

3-1 is kinda lame. I kept falling off the platforms due to targeting and collision. The last boss fell pretty quickly due to high powered weaponry. I imagine 4-1 is going to be as easy and 5-1... well 5-1 isn't, from what I read.

[apocrypha]

Yeah gotta be ultra careful on 3-1. The monsters are pretty easy but the map has horrible fally death written all over it. 4-1 is hard as a fragile caster. Those skellies knocked crap out of me for hours. Haven't ventured into 5-1 yet, I'm feeling really fragile. Might try some stronger armour and a bigger shield but I love the mobility of the light armour.

[Quinton]

Grr.  I was doing well in 1-1, getting used to things, until I ended up getting incinerated by the dragon while being mauled by soldiers.  Now, I don't know if I'm tired or something changed or what, but I swear my MP is regenerating slower than before (Noble w/ Fragrant Ring) which really cramps my soul arrow zapping style.

Lesson Learned: If *every* time you go around a corner you crank the camera around the wrong direction, going into options and selecting invert camera L/R works wonders.

Also: <3 Cling Ring, I need all the HP I can get.

[schild]

Just beat the Tutorial Boss with my priest. Once you find the holes in its attacks, it's easier than Phalanx.

[MrHat]

Just beat the Tutorial Boss with my priest. Once you find the holes in its attacks, it's easier than Phalanx.

Play all night?

[schild]

Just beat the Tutorial Boss with my priest. Once you find the holes in its attacks, it's easier than Phalanx.

Play all night?

Nah, only took me two tries with the priest because, well, her roll is really shitty, it starts off fast and then she drops like a rock. I'm only logging an hour or so now and once the roommates go to work I'm working on my game and hoping insurance calls me.

[schild]

Fast souls? How about 3 minutes to get to the red eye knight in 1-1. Like ~2,000 souls and 2-3 Full Moon Grass. Draw Old King Doran out or let something kill you, or jump down the shaft, repeat.

How do you kill him? Just lock on, walk back a bit and fire that arrow spell at him. With 50 mana it's enough to break through his defenses and kill him, easy peasy.

[LK]

So, you're Black Soul. Because I haven't seen Old King Doran but while I was browsing sample White / Black affinity events, I saw that the door where the Red Knight is becomes unlocked if you are black soul.

Also, I imagine getting 2k souls will be much faster later on. If you're farming early on, sure.

[schild]

So, you're Black Soul. Because I haven't seen Old King Doran but while I was browsing sample White / Black affinity events, I saw that the door where the Red Knight is becomes unlocked if you are black soul.

Also, I imagine getting 2k souls will be much faster later on. If you're farming early on, sure.

What? No. I'm not black soul at all. In fact, it's white affinity. The guy you save earlier drops the key to the tower if he dies. I pelted the red knight and used the masoleum key. Viola! Old King Doran.

[MrHat]

Hehe.

Hurry up and beat 1-1 so we can coop n000000b.

That red night is great.  I was doing that counter attack thing on him.  400 damage? Yes please.

[schild]

I finished 1-1. Phalanx was easy.

"technically speaking" I have reached the end of 1-2 and 2-1 but have beat neither boss.

Why do you want to coop? Is something missing from your life hat, talk to me.

[LK]

You can't choose who you want to Co-Op with. You might get lucky if you both coordinate over voice chat or something and be in the same area.

Why would you kill that guy? He's a notable NPC. I noticed you could attack the people in the Nexus but I saw no reason to do so.

Apparently it can fuck up your game? I don't know.

I'll be looking this shit up when I'm done with the first character's playthrough. But that could be awhile.

[schild]

I didn't kill him.

Enemies did.

[LK]

Huh. My guy survived and made it back to the Nexus.

I forgot though... I guess them dying on the map isn't the end since, ya know, their soul gets trapped in it too.

[schild]

[LK]

Every enemy has a gimmick. I don't know how to raise bow damage but if you're spending that many arrows you aren't going to get many souls from killing him, since he doesn't give that many to begin with.

Also, it's likely the bosses in the -1 areas are meant to be easier. 3-1's went down hard even though he had a strong gimmick.

[schild]

Every enemy has a gimmick. I don't know how to raise bow damage but if you're spending that many arrows you aren't going to get many souls from killing him, since he doesn't give that many to begin with.

Also, it's likely the bosses in the -1 areas are meant to be easier. 3-1's went down hard even though he had a strong gimmick.

It cost me what, 1200 souls in arrows to get 3,000. I'm ok with that.

[LK]

The challenge level between being a white soul and black soul in PVE must be monumental. I joined some guy's game where the mobs had 3x the HP to mine and gave twice the souls.

[schild]

We'll find out when I get to world 4 ^_^ Whenever I beat a boss I go there and purposefully die because I want all the reapers to spawn by the time I'm there.

[LK]

When you're playing through the game levels as fast as I am, you don't get much Soul Affinity.

I take it the affinity of a zone degrades over time, so if you purposely kill yourself to up the difficulty, it'll eventually reset?

[Fabricated]

So this is never coming to the US officially is it?

[schild]

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wait for it to come to the US. In fact there is incentive not to buy it from here, it doesn't have Playstation written 6 times on it with 3 on the front.

[Quinton]

When you're playing through the game levels as fast as I am, you don't get much Soul Affinity.

I take it the affinity of a zone degrades over time, so if you purposely kill yourself to up the difficulty, it'll eventually reset?

After the 1.02 patch there seems to be a bug where if you quit the game while in online mode and in the Nexus, world affinity resets to neutral.  If you want to *not* mess up your affinity, you should leave the nexus for one of the other worlds before quitting.

[Falconeer]

Position 1 - Stay at range, facing him, wait for him to attack, typically an AOE one, then run as fast as you can on his right, your left when facing him. Get behind him by taking the most direct path that his shield isn't blocking.

Position 2 - Stay at range behind him but not so far that you can't run in and attack him.

He'll do one of three attacks: Another AOE (stay at range, then move in), a foot stomp (not as large an AOE, you can run in faster), or a back jump (he'll likely catch you with this in most cases, the trick is to stay behind him but slightly to his side).

Attack Position - After the AOE / Foot Stomp, run in, get two strikes in (heavy, target the legs), then run out to Position 2 and wait for his next action. I recommend a slashing weapon for its higher chance to hit over a thrusting one. If you have to (especially after back jumps that put him against a wall), run away from him as fast as you can and start from Position 1.

To make the fight easier, you can run up the sides and deal with the archers, but stay out of line of sight of the knight or you'll get a lance of light up your ass.

Ok, it's help/whine time!

First, as soon as I get into the fog, he stabs me for half my HP. How to avoid that first hit? Doesn't matter how much I run, he always gets me there.

Second, I read and tried accurately to follow your tactics lorekeep, but it's hard/impossible to stay away from his range I'd say, like the arena isn't large enough. If I am out of range, he doesn't do anything but closing in, which is the same that cornering me, so if I try to keep a safe distance I walk backward until the point I am cornered. How am I supposed to keep position 1 if all he does is closing in and seldom unleashes attacks if he's out of range? Can't really find a hole in his attacks: when he does them, he hits. Blocking barely helps.

Third, let's assume I dodged his attack and now I am sprinting like mad on his right, to get to position 2, behind him. I got behind him just a couple of times and he always found a way to turn around and face me again, or simply crushed something on the ground that slammed me and prevented from keeping the position. Am I supposed to be able to STAY behind him and he's not supposed to be able tp turn to face me? Cause I am pretty sure that's what you said but I am definitely not even close to that, especially for the two aforementioned reasons (ie: getting killed as I set my foot in the room, being unable to get to position 2 because of cornering and laser-guided attacks when I close in to get there).

Meh!

[schild]

First, as soon as I get into the fog, he stabs me for half my HP. How to avoid that first hit? Doesn't matter how much I run, he always gets me there.

Are you a plate user? If so, dodge once to right right, run along the wall, always running towards the staircase. If you're a cloth wearer, this run should be no problem. Hell, it wasn't a problem on my priest in chainmail.

I'd say, like the arena isn't large enough.

It is. In fact it's about 5 times bigger than it needs to be to beat him.

Here's the deal. He holds the shield in his left hand. Always be running behind him on his right foot. So you should always be running to the left to get behind him. It's easier if you can keep your lock-on aimed at his ankle. I prefer the one he holds the lance with first. Ranged doesn't really work in this battle (and it's really the only one like that) - though I suppose on NG+, plague cloud would work. Anyway! You need to hit him from behind and always on his heel. Knock the armor off one, and then knock it off the other. He'll stutter.

AT THAT MOMENT, slam the turpentine on your weapon. Are you hearing me, GET IT ON WHILE HE'S FALLING (after you've gotten out of range of course). Fire for maximum damage to the motherfuckers head.

He turns fast enough to always face you, yes, but there's always an opening to run to and then duck and roll (normally twice) to get out of the AOE range of any of his attacks. If you're a plate wearer, run a little further and duck & roll once.

Also, if you bring friends (a very viable solution), it's sorta broken. They'll be booted out after the first time he falls on his back. But in that time, 3 people can knock him down to about 20% health.

If you have magic, hit him with firespray when he drops.

Don't hit him anywhere but in the head when he's down.

Also, try joining someone elses battle since you're probably in soul form, so you can watch how they do it. A "D" on your ranking is a lot better than sucking at an early boss.

[schild]

It's worth noting that short of the "he falls on his back" bit, this is the exact same way to beat Vanguard in the tutorial. Duck and roll around him on the right side and gnaw at his ankles (or shoot him with firespray).

[Morfiend]

A much easier way is to learn Magic Arrow. This makes him stupid easy.

Just stand on the ledge where one of the archers was, as soon as he starts to do his ranged attack, blast him with Magic Arrow, and then roll backwards.

[Morfiend]

so, 3-1.

I beat the Fool's Idol (I think was its name) the boss in 3-1, but now I am running around the level looking for the keystone. I did get the key above the boss, and I freed Sage Freke, but I dont know what I am supposed to do now. Any hints/tips?

[Falconeer]

Tower Knight, son summoned help and finished it in 9 minutes sharp. Me, I didn't find a single blue seal in hours of playing. No one wants to play with me, the game knows it.

So, is the game only 10 areas total? 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, etc, up to 5-2?

[LK]

so, 3-1.

I beat the Fool's Idol (I think was its name) the boss in 3-1, but now I am running around the level looking for the keystone. I did get the key above the boss, and I freed Sage Freke, but I dont know what I am supposed to do now. Any hints/tips?

Go behind the altar where she was.

[Morfiend]

so, 3-1.

I beat the Fool's Idol (I think was its name) the boss in 3-1, but now I am running around the level looking for the keystone. I did get the key above the boss, and I freed Sage Freke, but I dont know what I am supposed to do now. Any hints/tips?

Go behind the altar where she was.

I did, there was nothing there. Or do you mean go back there now that I have rescued Sage Freke?

[schild]

You freed Sage Freke? Do you still have pure white tendency?