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[brellium]

Even at 1%, back to back crits on any boss can drop your ass faster than your half-asleep healer can react to--especially if it's some boss that's primarly magic damage, like Mal'ganis. And it does happen even at .1%; ask me how i know...

Magic damage dealt by mobs cannot crit.

WTF. At least he has Improved Rend maxed out for the leet bleed ticks! 

Maxing Improved Rend is optimal for Arms specs.

Well, if he was Arms... sadly he's something else entirely

Leveling up my warrior was arms with 5 points in sheild spec, I could always tank if I had to (prior to dual spec)

[Xuri]

Doing just that now myself. Currently only at 45 or some such, but have been tanking random instances for 15 levels with arms spec and five points in shield specialization. No problem holding aggro using Thunder Clap and Cleave-spam, and I do more damage than most of the DPS ;P

[apocrypha]

I'd be interested to know if that still works tanking BC randoms. My fully prot-specced and geared warrior is 65 now and getting things like Auchenai Crypts which is brutal. It could just be that I'm not used to these dungeons but they feel tougher to me than anything in WOTLK.

[Sjofn]

Auch Crypts is the fucking devil.

[Azazel]

I would love to be able to queue for BC heroics from the dungeon finder. I never got to see many/most/half of them, and with today's new /faceroll technology I could get to check them out without the added power of bullshit.

Also, I'd still like to get my Cenarian rep up to I can buy that hippogriff.

[Zetor]

Do you mean queuing for BC heroics as a level 80? I think the biggest problem would be the difficulty in finding 4 other people (plus you need honored rep + key to get into BC heroics still).

Depending on class, you might be able to solo BC dungeons (and definitely duo them as dps+healer, tank+dps or tank+healer). Some tank specs can solo heroic BC dungeons or even Karazhan

[Ashamanchill]

Soloing Heroic BC Dungeons as my bear (back in Ulduar gear and some ToC stuff) was the absolutely most fun I have ever had in wow. The challenge was enough to keep me on my toes and paying real attention, making sure I had to blow my cooldowns at the right points and what not.

[WindupAtheist]

I just took my PVP geared ret pally into normal Magister's Terrace and beat ass, for what it's worth. There were a couple of debuffs that I imagine could trouble even an 80 without cleanse, and I had to blow Lay on Hands in the Kael'thas fight until I realized "derp derp I should swim away from those purple things" but that was it. I have to imagine that a well-geared 80 tank could pretty much obliterate anything in BC solo except for the higher raids.

I wasn't keeping close track, but between trash mobs dropping 30-60 silver each and vendoring all the loot, I must have made like 80g. I have the key for the heroic Hellfire instances, I should try heroic Ramparts or something next.

[Zetor]

Yep, feral druids, prot paladins and DKs are the best at soloing old heroics and raids. DPS classes/specs can do ok, but you will run into problems for some of the more 'outlast-focused' melee damage or unresistable magic damage-based fights unless you are very geared and willing to use consumables. Still, if you run in a duo you shouldn't have any problems.

I soloed heroic magister's terrace with my non-raid geared feral druid a few times until I got the phoenix pet and the 'turns you into a BE' thing (the hardest part of the instance was probably Delrissa, those dudes hit hard even at 80). I was also planning to solo the first boss of karazhan for the mount (most of kara is soloable by ferals), but it was a pain getting into a raid and running to the instance. Still, it is VERY worthwhile if you have enchanting, since you get guaranteed void crystals and various twink enchants (not to mention mongoose, which is still one of the best tank enchants).

Speaking of druids: if you have a feral druid (even in blue gear / some heroic drops, which was when I did it), farming heroic sethekk halls is easy and lucrative if you get lucky with Anzu; you can also sell the mount to others if it drops for mucho $$$ if you're so inclined (I personally didn't bother) since only druids can summon the boss. Now my lazer chicken can sit on another chicken while showing off a turkey pet! I wonder what Hitchcock would say about this.

[Azazel]

Do you mean queuing for BC heroics as a level 80? I think the biggest problem would be the difficulty in finding 4 other people (plus you need honored rep + key to get into BC heroics still).

Depending on class, you might be able to solo BC dungeons (and definitely duo them as dps+healer, tank+dps or tank+healer). Some tank specs can solo heroic BC dungeons or even Karazhan

Yeah, queueing as an 80. Although I did some digging tonight and apparently PETA have some repeatable quest that gives cenarian rep, so I'd just want to do the dungeons to see them, rather than needing to do the heroic versions to repgrind. As a mage I don't think I'll be soloing all that much all that quickly, unfortunately.

Can a decently-geared (khadgar's gear, etc) 80 mage solo Strat Dead? And does the Baron still drop his horsie? I want a pony!

[Xeyi]

Inspired by this thread I just went and tried heroic magister's terrace on my priest.  Things actually went fairly well unti lI got to Delrissa where I was slaughtered in a never ending chain of cc.

It might have been possible with the right combination of bosses, but it seems this won't be farmable for me until 85.  I'll go and console myself with normal mode.

[Morat20]

Can a decently-geared (khadgar's gear, etc) 80 mage solo Strat Dead? And does the Baron still drop his horsie? I want a pony!

Classic Strat? You should be able to. I know tanks were running it without issue at 70. I've considered going there myself as an 80 hunter.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

There's no way you could solo Kara,  at least not all of it. Chess event solo?    and Netherspite's beams would be impossible to manage. Other than that it wouldn't be hard though.

[Azuredream]

Those have both been solo'd.

[Wolf]

Yeah, I went with a friend and we duoed it, where I was more or less just enjoying the ride as a lvl79 shadow priest. That was at the times of totc.

Best thing about hunters? Misdirect! I can kill assholes now and they don't even know what hit them 

[Zetor]

The only 'trick' about Netherspite is burning him down before he unbanishes himself. I've seen vids of a feral druid and a blood DK doing it, but you do need extremely good gear.

A DK has also soloed Hyjal completely (including Archi and requisite emo music) here. Some SSC bosses have also been soloed too I think... of course you can't solo farm a phoenix mount (TK) for yourself just yet. Maybe in Cata!  

[Shrike]

I've soloed a fair number of TBC heroics as an enhancement shaman. Most are pretty easy, a couple somewhat less so. HMgT is certainly possible; the worst part of that are the trash packs, since enhance is kinda limited on CC or AoE damage. I've head ZG is very possible for enhance, but haven't tried it. I never soloed MC, but I did duo/trio it without problem. It's certainly doable.

I was soloing Strat at 70. The only thing in there is watching out for mana burn on the dead side. This tripped up my pally some when she was fiddling around in the mid-60s. For a warrior or DK it's a cakewalk.

As for the Crypts, that place sucks. Only second to SL for annoyance factor. DK tanks probably have it easiest in there, but it sucks no matter who you are.

[Morat20]

Is ZG still the only place to get the alter-polymorph mage stuff? (Or is that done soley through glyphs now? I didn't have a mage that level, but I remember our guild doing that optional boss for it. I think it was ZG). If so, I might take my mage there someday -- well, probably not since Cata will probably wipe it.

I've been meaning to take my 80 Hunter to MC to grab a Core Hound. I died to so many of those things that it'd be nice to have as a pet. I know they reused the model a lot in Outland, but don't know if they ever reused that particular skin.

[Ironwood]

This guy was just genius.

A massive 40 dps when the rest of us were pulling 150-200 (including me, the TANK).

It was funny how quickly I let him pull everything (which he insisted on continually doing) and then let him die.  The healer refused to get him up until we could kick him.

The gun is particularly good.

[Shrike]

Is ZG still the only place to get the alter-polymorph mage stuff? (Or is that done soley through glyphs now? I didn't have a mage that level, but I remember our guild doing that optional boss for it. I think it was ZG). If so, I might take my mage there someday -- well, probably not since Cata will probably wipe it.

I've been meaning to take my 80 Hunter to MC to grab a Core Hound. I died to so many of those things that it'd be nice to have as a pet. I know they reused the model a lot in Outland, but don't know if they ever reused that particular skin.

No clue on mages stuffs. The main reason anyone goes there is for the mounts and achievements. There is the fish terminator, too...

Core hounds are unique. The basic model was used in TBC (green glowie instead of red) and was the basisfor the Kurken (more doggy, less rocky) out in Azuremyst.

[Ingmar]

Is ZG still the only place to get the alter-polymorph mage stuff? (Or is that done soley through glyphs now? I didn't have a mage that level, but I remember our guild doing that optional boss for it. I think it was ZG). If so, I might take my mage there someday -- well, probably not since Cata will probably wipe it.

I've been meaning to take my 80 Hunter to MC to grab a Core Hound. I died to so many of those things that it'd be nice to have as a pet. I know they reused the model a lot in Outland, but don't know if they ever reused that particular skin.

Pig is a quest in Azshara
Turtle is Zul'Gurub
Rabbit is from the Noblegarden event
Penguin is a glyph
Black Cat is like 2500g in Dalaran

[dd0029]

So, I decided to level a mage with some sweet heirloom gear if only because 80 pvp is so annoying.  Doing pvp as a fresh 80 is thrilling.  You die so fast SCT doesn't even bother scrolling what happened to you.  Strangely enough, the same thing happens in the 10-19 bracket.  The Bloodied Arcanite Reaper is mean.  

Anyway, the new random dungeon finder actually gives occasionally useful rewards, a belt and a cloak at this level.  So, random dungeons here I come!  Prior to this, I had done Ragefire once as a horde.  Now, I am 1 for 4 on my alliance mage.  Most are just random screw ups, people afk'ing and what not, but the best had to be the druid tank.  This star player would pull one mob, let us DPS it half way down then decide the pack sitting over there just had to get pulled.  So, now we have generally 4 and a half live mobs wailing on the tank for a moment.  Until that is a heal goes off.  Now we have the tank swiping away at the one half dead mob and the rest of the group handling the other four freshly pulled mobs.  This goes along haltingly until we get to some orcs and this guy decides that he can not tank 7 mobs.  This is where we find out that the GY for Ragefire is way the fuck out in Durotar and the group falls apart.

Deadmines has been so so.  Both runs successfuly completed, but oddly.  The first one goes surprisingly well for how it appeared.  The lvl 20 pally tank and the rogue are running ahead while the ungeared druid healer snags a sip when he can.  We do manage to wipe somewhere on the boat.  The druid gets lost when we are reminded that the GY is way the fuck out in the middle of Westfall and the instance portal is in that warren.  He drops group, but we reque, get a shaman healer and get done fairly quickly.  The last one was terminally slow.  This one had several highlights.  First and most noticeable was the wanding warlock.  Apparently he doesn't do trash.  Second was two maning the pats with said wanding warlock when something happened and our healer did not have a rez spell trained.  

Managed to get in two wonderfully overpowered WSG matches at 19 and it's back to the low level ghetto at 20.  Though this pain is somewhat assuaged by learning that my new purple elephant has a swimming animation.

[Morat20]

I think I'll run my Hunter into Molten Core then, since I'm already keyed, and grab myself a Core Hound. (Perk of Beastmastery). Have to grab a trash pet on the way.

I guess I'll have to look up the Azhara quest for the mage. SHeep gets old.

[dd0029]

I think I'll run my Hunter into Molten Core then, since I'm already keyed, and grab myself a Core Hound. (Perk of Beastmastery). Have to grab a trash pet on the way.

I guess I'll have to look up the Azhara quest for the mage. SHeep gets old.

Petopia is your friend for hunter pet needs.  If you can get into UBRS, The Beast is a tameable corehound using the red skin.  And you get to keep the Boss and Skull level tags for extra awesomesauce.

[WindupAtheist]

Classic Strat? You should be able to. I know tanks were running it without issue at 70. I've considered going there myself as an 80 hunter.

Prot warrior in my guild was doing Strat at like 65-68. My ret could do it at 70 in PVP blues. I can't imagine an 80 hunter having any real problems.

I've soloed a fair number of TBC heroics as an enhancement shaman. Most are pretty easy, a couple somewhat less so. HMgT is certainly possible; the worst part of that are the trash packs, since enhance is kinda limited on CC or AoE damage. I've head ZG is very possible for enhance, but haven't tried it. I never soloed MC, but I did duo/trio it without problem. It's certainly doable.

I've never been to MC, but I've been to ZG a couple of time. It's easy. First few bosses in AQ20 are cake too, though some of the later gimmicky ones don't seem as doable. At least not as a DPS spec.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Those have both been solo'd.

...how? How could Netherspite be done alone? Does his green beam not heal for a ton? And I guess Azgalor never uses Doom on his current target,  or soloing him woulld be impossible too.

[dd0029]

Those have both been solo'd.

...how? How could Netherspite be done alone? Does his green beam not heal for a ton? And I guess Azgalor never uses Doom on his current target,  or soloing him woulld be impossible too.

It's probably listed in here somewhere for how hunters do it at the least.

[Selby]

Can a decently-geared (khadgar's gear, etc) 80 mage solo Strat Dead? And does the Baron still drop his horsie? I want a pony!

I got my mage exalted with the Argent Dawn solo'ing that place.  Many many times.  And never a mount drop.  An 80 mage can solo ALL of the old world instances minus the raids, and some of TBC instances.  I did classic dungeonmaster on my mage back when Naxx-10 was the l33test gear and it wasn't a problem at all.

[Azazel]

Cool. I might start doing that shortly for some downtime fun.

[Azuredream]

...how? How could Netherspite be done alone? Does his green beam not heal for a ton? And I guess Azgalor never uses Doom on his current target,  or soloing him woulld be impossible too.

There's a place you can stand in the room where all 3 beams will hit you.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

...how? How could Netherspite be done alone? Does his green beam not heal for a ton? And I guess Azgalor never uses Doom on his current target,  or soloing him woulld be impossible too.

There's a place you can stand in the room where all 3 beams will hit you.

I googled. I suppose that works.

[SurfD]

yeah, Ferals and well geared DK's can solo nearly everything.  Hell, I managed to solo about 70% of MC on my DK, using nothing but DPS gear and a self heal blood gimmic spec.  Got my face rocked by golemagg tho, just too much damage to self heal through, so I will probably have to actually put together a decent Tank Set to do him (Stam stacking seems to really help in many of those types of fights, since pretty much all your self heals are based on % of total healt, having 40k HP in tank gear makes a big survivabilty difference vs 26k hp in dps gear).

[Xuri]

I just want to be able to solo Moroes on my Rogue so I can get that damn Mongoose recipe already.... without respeccing from mutilate to a "doge/evasion" thing :P (which is possible)

[SurfD]

ouch.  Morose would be a tough fight for a rogue to solo.  Lack of self heals + bad combination on which adds you get and you would just get wrecked.   Just find a friendly feral druid who will go with you.  Mongoose is a 100% drop chance now, or something like that, so you would only have to run it once.

[Chimpy]

I used to solo deadside Stratholme at 70 on my hunter. It took a while because volley sucked balls back then. Baron was a bit of a pain because his shadow aura did quite a bit of damage even at 70.

Now with the new volley I am sure you could faceroll the place in lvl 80 greens. Knew a mage that farmed that place for 6 hours every day while we were waiting for the expansion trying to get a mount.

If you are a pet class, don't have your pet out for the Baroness though. Bugs out when she MC's you.