Bad Groups

[kildorn]

I had an issue in H-PoS with the rocks. Essentially we had enough 5kdps heros that we were getting him to stun/switch phases before he'd chuck a rock. Speed of burning him is the only thing that saved my ass healing that.

[proudft]

I finally got a non-participator today.  About halfway through me tanking heroic UK the super-geared melee shaman says 'I'm not into trash,' and stops doing much of anything.  I figure it'll take too long to votekick him and have Mr. Replacement wander halfway through the dungeon to catch up.  Maybe the shaman thought so, too.

So we get to the final boss and the shaman hides behind one of the four pillars doing nothing.  So I drag Ingvar over to him and Mr. Shaman is dead in two carefully-aimed smashes. I get a well-earned 'are you kidding me?  omg' from him. 

Sadly he didn't accept the druid's battle rez til after the fight.  Probably a wise decision.   

[Jeff Kelly]

Last week I got into a Random H-HoR group, while I was waiting for the dungeon finder to work it's magic I was doing dalies and stocking up on fish and food for buffs.

After entering the instance as heal the first thing I get in party chat (even before any greetings) was "Your 3900 gear score is too low to heal H-HoR".

So I was vote kicked by some stupid ass group because I was too low on gear score.

They didn't even bother to check that I still had my fishing gear on and that I hadn't switched to healing spec and gear yet. So I was basically having a gear score of nearly 4000 while wearing a fishing pole, fishing hat and boots and those morons kicked me anyway because they simply just checked a stupid number on a tooltip.

Well the next group who got me as heal in H-HOR rocked the instance including the achivement but the way those morons behaved put a smile on my face the whole day 

[Selby]

So I was vote kicked by some stupid ass group because I was too low on gear score.

I got vote-kicked on H-ToC because the tank says "I don't want to wait to eat up or wait for you to" and pulled twice with 10% health for him and no mana for me (the 2nd time I wasn't even in the instance yet when he did it).  I called him an ass and a shitty tank, that probably caused him to kick me more than anything.

[Khaldun]

You know what I would like? If every fifth or eight Emblem of Frost-granting random you did spawned a boss like Marrowgar at about 75% of his 10-man stats three-quarters of the way through the instance where some other boss ought to be--and to lock you out from getting frost emblems that day unless you complete the fight. Just to occasionally cockblock people who want to rip through something they're monstrously overgeared for and feel entitled to be total pricks about it.

[Rendakor]

You know what I would like? If every fifth or eight Emblem of Frost-granting random you did spawned a boss like Marrowgar at about 75% of his 10-man stats three-quarters of the way through the instance where some other boss ought to be--and to lock you out from getting frost emblems that day unless you complete the fight. Just to occasionally cockblock people who want to rip through something they're monstrously overgeared for and feel entitled to be total pricks about it.

wat

[Simond]

Anyone who still has their frost resist gear from Sapphiron/Hodir days should put it on for Garfrost. Having a non trivial amount of FR makes full resists of his permafrost ticks happen reasonably often which will let the debuff expire and fall off. It makes the fight much less stressful on healers.

Don't be like me and forget to take it back off afterwards until 2 instances later though. 

Or just hit AMS and watch the debuff fall off while generating rune power from the ticks. 

[fuser]

So I was vote kicked by some stupid ass group because I was too low on gear score.

I really wish the vote to kick option wasn't effected by the 15min timer. Last night we were doing HToC and we couldn't ditch a mage doing 900dps due to the timer not allowing us to vote kick. It might seem petty but honestly if you won't help in the duals, cast a mage table, buff, and generally hinder the group why should you be allowed to stay?

Parsing his damage he was doing only arcane missiles.

[Ingmar]

So I was vote kicked by some stupid ass group because I was too low on gear score.

I really wish the vote to kick option wasn't effected by the 15min timer. Last night we were doing HToC and we couldn't ditch a mage doing 900dps due to the timer not allowing us to vote kick. It might seem petty but honestly if you won't help in the duals, cast a mage table, buff, and generally hinder the group why should you be allowed to stay?

Parsing his damage he was doing only arcane missiles.

There's a timer on vote to kick but I am pretty sure its actually shorter than the 15 minute one.

[fuser]

There's a timer on vote to kick but I am pretty sure its actually shorter than the 15 minute one.

Two different timers, one's an internal timer that stops you from repeatedly kicking people out. You still have to wait for the "Dungeon Cooldown" debuff to be able to even start a vote which is a 15min.

Edit: found the name

[Soulflame]

This could not break 500 dps in HUP.  The group kicked him after the 15 minute timer finally expired, in no small part because the tree (me in caster form) was steadily outdpsing him, despite my taking time to make sure no one died.

I had an idiot ret paladin last night who was playing like a rogue in PvP, constantly moving around the boss.  This wouldn't be a problem ordinarily, but we were in HHoL...

The second time he got an arc weld debuff on him, I let him die.  I am a bad person.   

[Jayce]

So I was vote kicked by some stupid ass group because I was too low on gear score.

I got vote-kicked on H-ToC because the tank says "I don't want to wait to eat up or wait for you to" and pulled twice with 10% health for him and no mana for me (the 2nd time I wasn't even in the instance yet when he did it).  I called him an ass and a shitty tank, that probably caused him to kick me more than anything.

Winner: you

[apocrypha]

The second time he got an arc weld debuff on him, I let him die.  I am a bad person.   

I give them one chance with Arc Weld. If they fail to notice/understand it the first time then I say "don't move with arc weld on you!" and then they die and get to run back in if they do it again the 2nd time.

Mostly now I'm getting really good groups. I'm geared up enough on both my shaman and my pally that I can keep pretty godamned bad groups alive. When I do get a failgroup it's nearly always because the tank won't stop for even 1 second and I am simply unable to keep up because it's hard to heal and run at the same time.

Tanks like that get asked twice to slow down a bit and then I just ditch if they won't.

[Soulflame]

My groups have been getting steadily worse.  Last night, I had a warlock who cast Corruption, followed by drain life.  He was getting roflstomped on the meters by his own pet.  I left that group after wiping on Garfrost.  Next group, HNexus, complete with tank who (I'm fairly sure) was not crit immune, 25k hps, and a rogue that couldn't break 1200 dps.  I nursed them through the entire instance, mostly because I just wanted to go to bed.

[Rasix]

2 days ago I had a 4 minute 30 second Bronjahm kill.  The tank had pretty nice gear (56k HP buffed as a bear) but was kiting the Bron toward the soul fragments.  I'm pretty sure he was doing it on purpose, but he was exceedingly poor at holding any aggro previous and the mage was crying about it constantly (despite just picking his own targets instead of attempting to assist).   I should have taken the hint and not tried even killing them, but I'm drawn toward doing the right thing on a boss.

Vote kick and a minute later we have a tank that can finish the job.  Not a surprise, the mage dies to the giant laser.

[Merusk]

My groups have been getting steadily worse.  Last night, I had a warlock who cast Corruption, followed by drain life.  He was getting roflstomped on the meters by his own pet.  I left that group after wiping on Garfrost.  Next group, HNexus, complete with tank who (I'm fairly sure) was not crit immune, 25k hps, and a rogue that couldn't break 1200 dps.  I nursed them through the entire instance, mostly because I just wanted to go to bed.

I think they tweaked the gearscore matcher, because I'm noticing the same thing on my healer.  The groups I'm being matched with are getting worse and worse in gear composition and abillty in general. 

For example: I was in a H.Nexus group last night with a DK wearing ilevel 120-167 DEFENSE gear (as a dpser) and couldn't break 700dps.  I had 120 just casting SW:P on the damn bosses. When I asked "dude, don't you have any DPS gear AT ALL that you could slap on?"  the only response I got was "I was in the military for the last year and haven't played."  Still doesn't explain why he's wearing shit made for level 70s with Defense on it.

All the tanks I'm getting matched with have been Dual Wield DKs who go squish on fucking easy bosses like Halls of Stone, too. I wasted an hour dropping groups because they were taking hits hard enough to take half their health bar on trash alone.  I was so frustrated I sent a tell to the first 2-hd DK tank I got thanking him for not being a dual-wielder.

[kildorn]

I had a fun group a while back with a ~45k health paladin who kept taking half his hp in damage randomly. As best as I could tell, he was popping Divine Sacrifice on random AE pulls and eating way more damage than he needed to be by doing so. Most obnoxious tanking I'd had to heal yet, because I wasn't used to having to single handedly refill a tank's entire health pool every 5 seconds.

[Lantyssa]

I've been coddled with all-guild groups.  Got in a group yesterday with our super Hunter, a Paladin and my Moonkin.  No tanks or healers available because they were on a raid.  We load into Occulus after a 15 minute wait.

I have never seen such chaos.  It's like the instance breaks the minds of all who enter it.  The first priest looks at the tank, laughs, and quits.  On the first boss it was the Druid and myself left standing.  (Thank the gods for DoTs.)  Someone pulled a drake on the ledge past the first boss so we wipe.  Most of us get ready, but the tank charges at half health.  Dies.  The Druid walks off the ledge (totally embarrased).  I get aggro but my typhoon and the hunter at least finishes it off as I go down.  We get back and the tank quits.  Another tank joins, quits.

Another tank joins... and falls off the ledge.

Things went pretty smoothly after he woke up, but ye gads!  Things were going so wrong I couldn't help but laugh through it all.  I earned my 10 person PUG achievement and I think all three of us swore to guild-only groups from now on.

[Rasix]

Occ, while actually pretty damn easy, is really painful with horribly undergeared and/or shitty players.   There was a DK in my last Occ group that didn't break 600 DPS on the non drake parts and even with the drake didn't make it over 1k DPS.   If you've got at least 2 players that have never done it, expect Eregos to be somewhat of a pain and to get a few drake deaths along the way.

[Lantyssa]

I never understood that until yesterday.  There were only horror stories yet we waltzed through it without problem time after time.  (My only issue is the pie piece of death, and I've solved that with the zoom tweak.  Worked like a charm.)

Then.  Then I got this group.  I get it now.

[Ingmar]

The largest problem for people who have never been in there before is probably that the 'safe' path through the instance on drakes where you won't pull a bunch of extra crap is not very obvious at all.

[Selby]

As far as gearscores affecting your group, I am not so sure.  My druid and priest finally broke the wow-heroes 2700 score (and can get not-laughed-out of ICC-25) and the change in groups I am getting is quite impressive.  More "zerg everything down and it dies in 30s" groups like my mage has been in forever than "hai guyz wut do I do?" groups.  My shammy still gets pretty fail groups regularly though.  And lots of "you have greens you must suck" comments from those who bother to look.  It honestly seems to be pretty random.  My mage usually ends up with the average 5000-5500 DPS for most heroics and I'm not sure if it's because I am still trying when everyone else isn't or not.  She hasn't been in any fail groups in forever.

I've got an Ocu story from yesterday too!  I get in a random group with my shammy healer, who while still having a green and some lousy blues still pulls 3k HPS and can heal tanks in raids without much issue.  First comment I get is "damn your gear sucks, can you even do this?" from the tank.  I notice the tank and a DPSer are from the same guild and my server, a guild that is known for elitism.  I shrug it off with a joke about at least knowing the fights and being able to heal.  We proceed in silence for the first boss without any issue.  Drake time, I am sticking like glue to the tank and his DPS friend, the other 2 just kind of go off and do what they want (I guess, no real idea what their problem was as this seems to be a rather common Oculus occurrence).

First boss down, but somehow a DPS has died.  The tank gives me attitude about not res'ing him and that he had pulled drake aggro and died after I expressed a lack of concern.  I respond with "yeah, but he was dumb enough to die where I can't get to his body, so that means he gets to walk!"  We are still killing the next boss when he finally comes back and dies again.  We get to the last boss and he finally manages to get on a drake and come to us.  We start the fight, 3 of us do really well, I am trying to keep everyone alive since the 2nd green drake didn't seem to know to stack poison or even heal people and drops off really quickly.  The 4th fail DPS doesn't fair much better on the first astral plane shift and he eats orbs and dies.  So we have to 3-m the final boss, which is REALLY close, but we STILL manage to get the speed kill achievement (hich we already had. The other 2 had released during the fight and didn't even get to loot as far as I know as we never saw them again.  The tank whispers me with a "your gear may suck, but at least you pull your weight.  Those other 2 are worthless."  The DPS numbers showed about 500 and 600 for them.  And in the end still no blue drake mount! >(

[Morfiend]

One thing that really helps with Oculous is to learn to not fly around vertically. You only fly vertically when you are moving to the next stage of the instance. This really helps with people getting lost and/or confused.

[Slyfeind]

I'm having awesome luck with the dungeon finder, especially at the low levels. The worst was in Ragefire Chasm where the healer backed into a bunch of Troggs, and that healer was me. We still recovered.

Wailing Caverns was actually fun for me last night.

I hate how whenever I get Oculus, people want to run it. I just want to back out, but I'm usually with friends who go "C'mon it's not so bad!" Then we finish it in like 10 minutes, and I go "Yeah, it was 10 minutes of bad."

Other than that, I seem to be lucky so far. Dungeon Picker =  !!!

[Azuredream]

My low level paladin tank is at the 27-30 stage where you just get gnomeregan OVER AND OVER AGAIN, it is making me want to kill myself. I've got it down to maybe a 20 minute run and none of my groups have failed yet but I just don't like the place.

[Rasix]

I got a tank to quit out after the first pull in HFOS when he asked if people were going to roll on the melee DPS trinket.  New one joined less than 5 minutes later (along with a new healer and DPS that quit also).  I guess the system prioritizes getting you a replacement if you've been ditched.

He should probably realize that even if I was rolling, nothing I can use ever drops for me.  Claiming loot.  pfffft.

[Sjofn]

Next group, HNexus, complete with tank who (I'm fairly sure) was not crit immune, 25k hps, and a rogue that couldn't break 1200 dps.  I nursed them through the entire instance, mostly because I just wanted to go to bed.

If you're a freshly 80 tank, 25k HP is actually a little high (but I assume he had the PUG buff), and crit immune is surprisingly annoying to claw your way up to.

[Soulflame]

He had the PUG buff and a talented druid buff to hit 25k.  I know being crit immune isn't fun to hit, I did it on the paladin long long ago, and it would have been probably required extensive use of def gems if I didn't happen to have the naxx def trinket.  I just thought it was kind of hilarious, as there was a DK in the group that almost had as much health as the tank.   

My apologies if I'm coming across as an elitist here.  I'm getting worn down running heroics every day for frost badgers.  I'm very much to the point where I just want the damn run to be over as quickly as possible, mainly because I've been doing this since ToC released, in order to accumulate Triumph badgers.  It's just... ugh.

[Lt.Dan]

Uncrittable is pretty easy to hit.  Grab a couple a crafted items, collect quest rewards with +def, and gem for defense for the rest.  My pally tank was defense capped the moment I hit 80.

Of course that assumes that the player actually knows what uncrittable is, and what +def rating to get 

Of course in my moment of awesome the first heroic I signed up for was HHoL.  Needless to say that was a moment of fail 

[Sjofn]

Not really coming across as elitist, I just think it's funny when people forget that 25k HP is perfectly normal for a new tank because the HP have ramped up so high for tanks in general.

It's not hard to hit the uncrit soon after or at hitting 80, but it's annoying as fuck. And while you're gemming for all that defense, your HP suffer. 

[Fordel]

This is what a Ding-Grats fresh 80 tank looks like http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&cn=Seraphia

Really, even Sera has a few extra's a fresh 80 wouldn't have access too yet.

[Merusk]

Actually, THIS is what a fresh pally tank looks like.

I've run about 8 instances since hitting 80, and gotten lucky with a few drops.  My ret set is better than my prot set at this point.. wtf does +def gear never drop for me.

[Fordel]

Run Reg HoLighting for that trinket, that solves so many issues.


I also want to take this moment to highlight how retarded the BE Female 1h+Shield stance is. "I Shall hold my shield BEHIND myself, this will be effective!"

[Sjofn]

She doesn't want people looking at her ass.

EDIT:
Sjofn is pretty much in her ding-grats state. Uncrittable for heroics though! I haven't bothered to get her past that because EVERY OTHER GODDAMN TANK in Slap in the Face is a fuckin' warrior, and it feels terribly redundant to tank with her. Plus, yeah, three other tanks. 

[Selby]

Special group today.  My server has a large French population that doesn't... get along well with others (language and cultural barriers).  I get a random and it's 3 people from server, 2 in French guilds.  One is a hunter whose pet is on aggressive and starts pulling mobs.  When people start to bring it up, the response is "SUCK MY FUCK" among other things.  Every word out of this guy's mouth is the f-bomb and most of it doesn't make any sense.  Then in the beginning a BoE epic dagger drops.  The first 3 people roll greed, which I am about to do (I'm busy healing since someone looted during combat) when I notice our special snowflake hunter rolls need on it.  My thought about that is "hell no" so I roll need on it to and end up winning.  Naturally people are mad at me for "ninja'ing" an ilvl200, despite my efforts to point out that our special hunter has done about 400DPS and his only vocabulary consists of "fuck" and whatnot and the last thing I was going to do was let his ass walk off with it free and clear.  I do this with frozen orbs and others as well when dickheads wait until they think everyone's rolled greed and then roll a need and drop the group.  Even if I don't win I at least challenged them.  Then our Hunter parks himself and says "fuck" some more and doesn't do anything again.  We end up 4-m the rest of the instance until we can finally kick him.  The other French guy was going on about how he was an innocent hunter and how he wishes we would all rot.  I claimed that he was innocent of doing any damage and guilty of doing nothing so he deserved to get punted.  I would love to see this wind up being a topic on my server's forums since people seem to love drama over BoE's, but since it's not a TotC-25 trophy or a trinket deck stacking story it probably won't be front page news ;-)

I swear I don't know why I still randomly group with people.