Post your delicious Bob forum porn pickings itt

[LC]

Should be interesting to see how this all turns out. BoB's treatment of allies and members doesn't exactly create the most loyal army. A lot of them were only there because bob held delve, and seemed unbeatable.

[tmp]

I'm sure it's hard for a lot of us to understand how the game worked four years ago and maybe this was something quite commonplace although on the other hand maybe it's quite indicative of how Bob CCP relations had started on a far too comfortable footing, and as Sir T has pointed out Kieron was fired last year in a mysterious fashion.

From what i can recall it was common in the sense, any attempt by CCP staff to have part of their "RP storyline" happen outside of the Empire space had to take into account there's been a player faction claiming these areas of space. Consequently, this would lead to interaction between the devs in charge of these events and the players... since the alternative was to ignore the player presence, but that in turn would cause the players feel like they don't matter in the grand scheme of things and whining along lines of "well why does the game box say we can make our own empires if they mean squat".

In a nutshell one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations that'd always leave to some part of playerbase complain no matter which option was chosen. They'd go with the 'damned if do' path for a while, but eventually did decide it wasn't worth the effort, likely because volume of complaints (often both from people who didn't get to be part of event and these who did get to participate) The cases of people unable to draw the line between their job hat and the player hat obviously didn't help there, either.

[Phildo]

Is this the same RP stuff that Mirial got in trouble for digging into?

[tmp]

Is this the same RP stuff that Mirial got in trouble for digging into?

Having done some quick search it'd appear the Mirial thing was something that took place after CCP already gave up on the RP arcs that'd affect the large player alliances. So in this sense, no, that's not the same RP stuff. Not sure if that's what you mean though.

[LC]

I have no sympathy left for BoB after reading some of the shit they said about us, and other allies in that forum. I hope to see screenshots of them ratting in empire soon.

[Endie]

I have no sympathy left for BoB after reading some of the shit they said about us, and other allies in that forum. I hope to see screenshots of them ratting in empire soon.

If it is any consolation, they say it about each other, too.  This is from the BNC command channel.  They hate each other:

17:36 @silver0 • are rkk on vacation or
17:36 @enjoi • lol
17:36 @enjoi • rkk have been crap lately silvero
17:36 @enjoi • end of story pretty much
17:37 @Pagefault • but they still end up on top of the kb every month
17:37 @Cleisthenes2 • we have dice and bnc making most of bob participations
17:37 @Bone • 28 in Eclipse not in gang so C
17:37 @Cleisthenes2 • rest are fucking useless
17:37 @Cleisthenes2 • meaning evol and rkk
17:37 @Pagefault • 39 of 46 of nova in fleet
17:38 @Bone • Have evol got an op on? 8 in fleet ?
17:38 @The_Government • and 4 are alts of current people i think
17:38 @Bone • and 1 SA.

16:08 @Cleisthenes2 • ffs
16:08 @Cleisthenes2 • cflux whines
16:09 @Cleisthenes2 • whiny lil shit

15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • all they ever do is fucking whine coranor
15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • thol and clfux
15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • they make it sound like they doing all the work
15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • honestly they do fuck all

Etc...  There are literally MB of this stuff.  The thing that impresses me most now is that Molle manages to keep these people when they loathe each other so much.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/bobsecure.txt since we Goons are generous souls.

[sanctuary]

I have no sympathy left for BoB after reading some of the shit they said about us, and other allies in that forum. I hope to see screenshots of them ratting in empire soon.

Wait, you were in RKK right. So confused.

[Endie]

I have no sympathy left for BoB after reading some of the shit they said about us, and other allies in that forum. I hope to see screenshots of them ratting in empire soon.

Wait, you were in RKK right. So confused.

Shinra before that, and Bob hate even their own recruits.

[tmp]

Etc...  There are literally MB of this stuff.  The thing that impresses me most now is that Molle manages to keep these people when they loathe each other so much.

Ehh, don't the Goons tell one another they suck and such, ever, and when/if they do does it mean they loathe each other? I mean i think you're making mistake here taking lot of stuff said there as if it was aimed by one complete stranger at another, while it can come across very different when said by someone you've known for long time and routinely play with. I.e. tell your corpmate they're a jewing faggot, then do the same to someone you see for the first time... odds are, both their impression and reaction will be quite different?

[Fordel]

My understanding is the key difference here is Goons tell other Goons shit directly, while this other stuff was formerly hidden behind the back shit talking.

[Goumindong]

I believe the other half of it is that "jewing faggot" is a compliment.

[tmp]

My understanding is the key difference here is Goons tell other Goons shit directly, while this other stuff was formerly hidden behind the back shit talking.

Well, large part of this stuff comes from their directors' forum which would in my eyes work as telling shit directly, since they all had access to it. Given that, i think that 'key difference' thing doesn't really exist here -- people generally can talk shit about mutual friend both directly to person in question *and* when they're not around, and it doesn't mean there must be malice to it when it's said while that person isn't listening. E.g. i'd be surprised if no two Goons ever crack a joke at some silly setup of another Goon they spot on kill mail if that 3rd Goon doesn't happen to be online at that very moment so they can listen to it, too... and if they do joke about it, it doesn't mean they loathe that 3rd guy, does it?

[Quinton]

I believe the other half of it is that "jewing faggot" is a compliment.

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

[Amarr HM]

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders).

[tmp]

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

In a way reinforces the point i was trying to make... given long enough time any close-knit group can develop language and/or practices that give an outsider impression the relationships between members of the group are quite different than how they actually are.

[Phildo]

KenZoku "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

FIFY?

[Phildo]

Recently leaked GKC forum porn: reactions to the BoB director forum (apologies for formatting, it's late)

Reading the "GBC lack of leadership" thing... man they fucking are disgusted by us...

They're less than kind to us (ranking us as 'Crap') but they did comment on us having 'big numbers'.

All of us knew this, the only difference is that now it's public

That being said, the thread is closed right now, but it rapidly became clear that what they care about is organization and leadership. They think the GBC is totally disorganized, and it is.

So some of Bob think we are crap?
frankly i think someone with the name k1lz should try to keep as low profile as he can so no one will notice his fagoty name.

welp if we had dispro poses in every damn system then maybe we could fly a fleet of fucking Nightmares but u know ....

They talk about organization and yet they got disbanded. The irony is just mind boggling.

Can anyone tell me what really happened to he alliance BOB (Almighty)

Who knows what this k1lz is basing his opinion off of though, and i did not check the date of the post.

Ahh the Irony of BoB getting disbanded after smacking on allies..

...words..

I DONT HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU TELL ME TOO.. YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME.
Oh wait.. you are.

I'm done with these fucks. I personaly will no longer participate in any "BoB" op. <pet> ops for me only.

If that means leaving <pet> then so be it. I joined <pet>, NOT BoB and not the GBC.

To be honest I simply can't understand why anyone would want to continue to after what they've said and done directly to <pet> now and in the past.

Some people need to remember that a pilot doesn't need a gazillion skill points to be useful.

As for BoB and all that shit, well, frankly, don't give a fuck. <pet> ain't BoB. BoB doesn't do what <pet> does and <pet> doesn't do what BoB does and I really have no interest in <pet> being Bob. If I wanted to be BoB, I would join them.

Secondly, if BoB doesn't want us here helping them, fine by me. I have said it before and I will say it again, <pet> doesn't need bob. We can go anywhere we want and have fun.

Words of wisdom at last !

How ISS was done, its fine. They took way too much for the amount of work needed to keep them in line. For RISE and <pet> we need to suck their cock, teach them and make them good allies.
Apparently I missed out on the blow job though

fair enough....okay, they used to want to give us all blow jobs..

[Arthur_Parker]

My understanding is the key difference here is Goons tell other Goons shit directly, while this other stuff was formerly hidden behind the back shit talking.

Well, large part of this stuff comes from their directors' forum which would in my eyes work as telling shit directly, since they all had access to it. Given that, i think that 'key difference' thing doesn't really exist here -- people generally can talk shit about mutual friend both directly to person in question *and* when they're not around, and it doesn't mean there must be malice to it when it's said while that person isn't listening. E.g. i'd be surprised if no two Goons ever crack a joke at some silly setup of another Goon they spot on kill mail if that 3rd Goon doesn't happen to be online at that very moment so they can listen to it, too... and if they do joke about it, it doesn't mean they loathe that 3rd guy, does it?

The key difference from what I have read of the old CAOD is that BOB used to project fear/respect (whatever you want to call it) and post battle statistics showing how important they were.  As the alliance with the most powerful players in a pvp game this is just natural, a smaller alliance could be wiped out just by one player disrespecting a bored BoB director on the forums.  The whole thing changed with the goons because they don't follow the same rules.

If we show the natural order of game progression
1. Newbie
2. Player
3. Vet
4. Elite player

Goons added a 5th type of player, the retard, he doesn't follow the same progression path as other players and completely bursts the bubble of anyone trying to post seriously on the forums.  The best BoB posters now copy goon memes, they have no choice, there is no way of responding to someone who just quotes your post and goes TL:DR.  People posting seriously about an internet spaceship game, about how great they are while they are allied with the most powerful/richest characters in the game don't deserve to be treated seriously.  The whole thing about BOB being the most powerful alliance was an illusion, the leaks from their secure leadership channel saying "we are average with a lot of titans" or "this corp we fly with is shit" just goes to show that even BoB knows this now.  The whole concept of eHonour is bollocks, goons are shitheads and always will be, that's why things like Remedial running off with half the titan fund is funny and not cause to stop goons logging in.

[Endie]

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

Which is a really polite way of saying "I don't think you get goons."

But yes, I thought about addressing this when I posted snippets of the eternal bitching and hatred, but the fact is that the difference is deep and cultural, and stems largely from the recruiting and the raison d'etre of the two alliances.

Goons mainly recruit through existing, out-of-game social associations (forums, primarily SA, AT, PA and F13).  Kenny had roots in previous RP stuff from elsewhere, but almost none of those guys play any more.  Goonswarm's raison d'etre is to allow Goons to have fun in Eve, and hopeless newbies, hilarious failure and massive drama all feed that fun and fulfil that need.

Kenny's very reason for existing is to be the best in Eve, and that hasn't been the case for two years or so.  Every time a newbie flies a caracal on Kenny ops, every time they lose a big fight, every time they get laughed at for their forum leaks it chips away at the most fundamental element in their makeup by driving home that they're actually not great at the game, just very rich (which may yet save them).

[Endie]

By way of variety, here is some porn from Kenny pets who have been reading how much they are valued by their Kenny masters.  It's an interesting mixture of disillusionment, moments of clarity and cognitive dissonance ("we may be crap but we're lots of crap!"):

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Reading the "GBC lack of leadership" thing... man they fucking are disgusted by us... 

Quote:
They're less than kind to us (ranking us as 'Crap') but they did comment on us having 'big numbers'. 

Quote:
All of us knew this, the only difference is that now it's public   

Quote:
That being said, the thread is closed right now, but it rapidly became clear that what they care about is organization and leadership. They think the GBC is totally disorganized, and it is. 

Quote:
So some of Bob think we are crap?
frankly i think someone with the name k1lz should try to keep as low profile as he can so no one will notice his fagoty name. 

Quote:
welp if we had dispro poses in every damn system then maybe we could fly a fleet of fucking Nightmares but u know .... 

Quote:
They talk about organization and yet they got disbanded. The irony is just mind boggling. 

Quote:
Can anyone tell me what really happened to he alliance BOB (Almighty) 

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Who knows what this k1lz is basing his opinion off of though, and i did not check the date of the post. 

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Ahh the Irony of BoB getting disbanded after smacking on allies.. 

Quote:
...words..

I DONT HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU TELL ME TOO.. YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME.
Oh wait.. you are. 

Quote:
I'm done with these fucks. I personaly will no longer participate in any "BoB" op. <pet> ops for me only.

If that means leaving <pet> then so be it. I joined <pet>, NOT BoB and not the GBC.

To be honest I simply can't understand why anyone would want to continue to after what they've said and done directly to <pet> now and in the past. 

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Some people need to remember that a pilot doesn't need a gazillion skill points to be useful. 

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As for BoB and all that shit, well, frankly, don't give a fuck. <pet> ain't BoB. BoB doesn't do what <pet> does and <pet> doesn't do what BoB does and I really have no interest in <pet> being Bob. If I wanted to be BoB, I would join them.

Secondly, if BoB doesn't want us here helping them, fine by me. I have said it before and I will say it again, <pet> doesn't need bob. We can go anywhere we want and have fun. 

Quote:
Words of wisdom at last ! 

Quote:
How ISS was done, its fine. They took way too much for the amount of work needed to keep them in line. For RISE and <pet> we need to suck their cock, teach them and make them good allies.
Apparently I missed out on the blow job though 

Quote:
fair enough....okay, they used to want to give us all blow jobs.. 

[palmer_eldritch]

My understanding is the key difference here is Goons tell other Goons shit directly, while this other stuff was formerly hidden behind the back shit talking.

Well, large part of this stuff comes from their directors' forum which would in my eyes work as telling shit directly, since they all had access to it. Given that, i think that 'key difference' thing doesn't really exist here -- people generally can talk shit about mutual friend both directly to person in question *and* when they're not around, and it doesn't mean there must be malice to it when it's said while that person isn't listening. E.g. i'd be surprised if no two Goons ever crack a joke at some silly setup of another Goon they spot on kill mail if that 3rd Goon doesn't happen to be online at that very moment so they can listen to it, too... and if they do joke about it, it doesn't mean they loathe that 3rd guy, does it?

Reading the stuff BoB said about their allies and each other, it really didn't seem to me as if they were joking or doing the sort of ribbing that friends do to each other.

[Quinton]

The whole concept of eHonour is bollocks, goons are shitheads and always will be, that's why things like Remedial running off with half the titan fund is funny and not cause to stop goons logging in.

Goons also love drama.  Nothing gets Goons logging in like some quality drama.  Internal drama?  External drama?  Who the hell cares!

If our foes could induce consistent, mind-boggling boredom somehow, that might be their best hope for discouraging Goon participation.

[Endie]

The whole concept of eHonour is bollocks, goons are shitheads and always will be, that's why things like Remedial running off with half the titan fund is funny and not cause to stop goons logging in.

Goons also love drama.  Nothing gets Goons logging in like some quality drama.  Internal drama?  External drama?  Who the hell cares!

If our foes could induce consistent, mind-boggling boredom somehow, that might be their best hope for discouraging Goon participation.

Smashkill tried this last year: they had a deliberate policy of not engaging in any sort of major fight for the second half of that campaign.  Worked not bad, in fact, except that the result was that 2 or 3 people could safely leave their Amarr battleships shooting POS afk overnight.

[LC]

Reading the stuff BoB said about their allies and each other, it really didn't seem to me as if they were joking or doing the sort of ribbing that friends do to each other.

If BoB had ever said that stuff publicly, they wouldn't have any pets or allies. I have several months of bob command chat logs from last year. I will probably post them somewhere.

[Arthur_Parker]

Do it.    Go on, you know you want to 

[LC]

#bobcommand - Leaders + Directors (BoB/Pets/allies)
http://www.exploiter.org/users/l-c/misc/bobcommand.txt
#bob - All BoB members.
http://www.exploiter.org/users/l-c/misc/bob.txt
#rkk - All RKK members.
http://www.exploiter.org/users/l-c/misc/rkk.txt

[Phildo]

By way of variety, here is some porn from Kenny pets who have been reading how much they are valued by their Kenny masters.  It's an interesting mixture of disillusionment, moments of clarity and cognitive dissonance ("we may be crap but we're lots of crap!"):

(words)

Someone failed to read my last post.

[Endie]

By way of variety, here is some porn from Kenny pets who have been reading how much they are valued by their Kenny masters.  It's an interesting mixture of disillusionment, moments of clarity and cognitive dissonance ("we may be crap but we're lots of crap!"):

(words)

Someone failed to read my last post.

Doh.  Serves me right for always skipping your awful posting.  Still, this way the people who have you on ignore will see it 

Anyway, we just outed cflux's goonfleet forum alt due to the combined stupidity of the man himself for not obfuscating, and Molle/Dian for not editing their forums before release.  Rather than link you to Kugutsumen's account, why not play the "find the spy" game yourself?  Goonswarm members from a while back will recognise the gimmick.  You're looking at some quoted posts in cflux's posting.

http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=65503&page=49


Click the spoiler if you can't find the spy.

[Arthur_Parker]

#rkk - All RKK members.
http://www.exploiter.org/users/l-c/misc/rkk.txt

Much appreciated, is the rkk one not on-line or is it just me being daft?

[tmp]

Much appreciated, is the rkk one not on-line or is it just me being daft?

the rkk one gives me 404 error, so might be more than just you.

i've read ~1000 lines of the bob one before giving up out of boredom; feels like any other corp chat, tbh.

[LC]

I fixed it.

[Arthur_Parker]

Thanks again.

18:26 < Nova> even if we lose our stations, we'll still stay together
18:26 < Kirkland> true ^
18:26 < Luciender> If we loose our stations, were going to npc stations
18:26 < Kirkland> Even if we had fuck all
18:26 < Kirkland> i'd be on the frontline in my commandships fighting
18:26 <@Sforza> Kirkland you're missing the point.. when people have chosen the lesser of two evils, they've chosen goons
18:26 < Kirkland> i dont give a shit
18:26 < Luciender> and making sure whoever occupies delve... is going to have a very... very very hard time keeping it.
18:27 < Nova> and it means we'll have less to worry about (running pos's etc) and get more pvp!

[Endie]

18:27 < Nova> and it means we'll have less to worry about (running pos's etc) and get more pvp!

[/quote]

Freed from the chains of sov warfare our reaver wolfpacks will be unleashed!

[MahrinSkel]

Even though it's now ancient history, I found it interesting to confirm what I only suspected at the time: The leadership stupidity that was the real source of FIX's demise was in response to BoB's demands that we stop being a republic and become a properly managed dictatorship.  So when Droewa was kicking out corps, nationalizing corp-launched outposts, and stomping on those who criticized his plans just because they kept failing, they saw it as "establishing order" and not "destroying morale and driving away the wealthiest and most active players in the alliance", and cheered him on (apparently making threats to kick us out of our region if we held another election).

You would think that when two corps out of your alliance's twelve are launching their own outposts (while still contributing more than their share to the general outpost fund), comprise 75% of your capital fleet (and buying most of the BPO's for the components to build more), are offering your only real prospects for supercaps, building your JB highways out of their own pockets, and occupying 50 of the top 100 slots on your killboard, you might want to encourage them to keep doing what they've been doing, even if they're a political pain in the ass.  But instead, to satisfy your galactic overlords you kick one of them out, then demand that the other one turn over tens of billions in strategic stocks, while offering not even a pretense that you're not going to eventually take away the outpost you have publicly stated they don't deserve.

Wow, it's just so shocking that FIX wound up withdrawing from Querious without a real fight after all that.  I suspect Kenzoku is going to find allied participation sharply down, given they aren't any better recently.

--Dave

[Fordel]

What happened to the remnants of FIX anyways? I assume some of them stuck around, somewhere?