Corps

[Slam Master A]

Alright... all spy bullshit aside, I've discovered that newbies (like myself) are stuck in a horrible catch-22: you can't get to the cool game content until you can get out to 0.0; you can't get to 0.0 until you are in a corp that will afford you some protection; you can't get into a corp unless people know you aren't a spy; all newbies are suspected of being spies.

Anyone have a solution?

[slog]

Alright... all spy bullshit aside, I've discovered that newbies (like myself) are stuck in a horrible catch-22: you can't get to the cool game content until you can get out to 0.0; you can't get to 0.0 until you are in a corp that will afford you some protection; you can't get into a corp unless people know you aren't a spy; all newbies are suspected of being spies.

Anyone have a solution?

Do you have a Something Awful forum account?

[Slam Master A]

Since I have no idea what that is... no, no I don't.

[Murgos]

Alright... all spy bullshit aside, I've discovered that newbies (like myself) are stuck in a horrible catch-22: you can't get to the cool game content until you can get out to 0.0; you can't get to 0.0 until you are in a corp that will afford you some protection; you can't get into a corp unless people know you aren't a spy; all newbies are suspected of being spies.

Anyone have a solution?

There are areas of 0.0 that aren't actually instant death to be in.  BAT, for a while was located in Providence, in the CVA alliance, they have a policy of 'Not Red Don't Shoot."  You can go there and get your feet wet with only minor risk.  Hang out, talk to peeps, see if you can get in on some gangs while your there and you'll be in a corp in no time.

Or, you can follow the somethingawful.com/goon policies and go that route, or go look around for a corp that's actively recruiting.

[Setanta]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Goons require 3 months of SA forum active use. NFI what else makes a good corp.

[Slam Master A]

I just went to the link... it was a fat kid who looks like he's prepping to give a blow job. I then went to the somethingawful.com homepage, and didn't have the energy to look around for goonsquad/swarm.

To be honest, the people with whom I have interacted most online are in LOVEU, and I would like to join them, if at all possible. I imagine that with only a week of game play under my belt I haven't garnered enough trust, nor learned enough to be of much value (except as bait...).

[Nerf]

Eve University is a pretty helpful corp for newbies to get into, the people are helpful and the whole point is to make the newbie experience more fun and less "OH GOD WHAT DID I PUSH!? WHY IS MY COMPUTER STABBING ME IN THE COCK?"

If you really want to get into 0.0 RFN, aim for Providence, they won't shoot you unless you're red (you're in the newbie corp, so you're not), and some chatting in local with different people should get you into a corp there before too long and you can figure out what it's all about.  We have a few posters here in Providence corps that might be willing to let ya in, spies or not.
Because really, who gives a shit about what happens in providence?

[Phildo]

Just want to add that one of the rules of Goonfleet acceptance is that you can't sign up for SA specifically for the purpose of joining Goonfleet, even if you've had an account there for 3+ months.

[Endie]

You're really not going to get into GF.  Nerf is right that Eve University is the best start, and once you are in that for as while then you can apply to one of the many 0.0 corps that post in their "Work Fair" forum.

[IainC]

You could also browse the corp and alliance recruitment forum for some leads.

[apocrypha]

The other corp that does newbie training is Agony Unleashed. They do short (a few hours) lessons that can give you a really good grounding to get into other corps. Plus you'll meet a bunch of people on the courses and can see if you can find some that aren't cocks and will take a newbie.

[Endie]

The other corp that does newbie training is Agony Unleashed. They do short (a few hours) lessons that can give you a really good grounding to get into other corps. Plus you'll meet a bunch of people on the courses and can see if you can find some that aren't cocks and will take a newbie.

Except that you'll almost certainly not be one of the lucky few that gets on a course...

[IainC]

The other corp that does newbie training is Agony Unleashed. They do short (a few hours) lessons that can give you a really good grounding to get into other corps. Plus you'll meet a bunch of people on the courses and can see if you can find some that aren't cocks and will take a newbie.

Except that you'll almost certainly not be one of the lucky few that gets on a course...

Are they turning people down now for course signups? When I did mine I just put my name down gave them 5m isk and that was me sorted. Once you've completed a course you can also attend future sessions of the same course for free as an alumnus (space permitting).

[Endie]

The other corp that does newbie training is Agony Unleashed. They do short (a few hours) lessons that can give you a really good grounding to get into other corps. Plus you'll meet a bunch of people on the courses and can see if you can find some that aren't cocks and will take a newbie.

Except that you'll almost certainly not be one of the lucky few that gets on a course...

Are they turning people down now for course signups? When I did mine I just put my name down gave them 5m isk and that was me sorted. Once you've completed a course you can also attend future sessions of the same course for free as an alumnus (space permitting).

The courses traditionally fill within a few hours of being announced, so you have to get very lucky.

That said, they also ran a 100-man gang around Christmas, to see if the new server tech could handle it, so if they run that sort of thing more often it might be easier to get on courses...

[palmer_eldritch]

There may be 0.0 corps that will accept you. Plenty of corps won't accept people who just turn up and apply in Empire space as well as 0.0, just like guilds in other games. But if you join the recruitment chat channel in game, and look at the recruitment board on the official Eve forums, you may find somewhere. (Beware of anyone who asks you to pay a fee to join their corp).

The thing with LOVEU, and perhaps this could do with being made even clearer, is that it does automatically accept people if - and only if - they are a) an established F13 poster or b) possibly if an established F13 poster stands up and guarantees they are on the level. I'm not the expert on recruitment, but I think that's right.

Any genuine newbies who are not F13 posters and suddenly turn up asking to join may feel they are being treated unfairly when they get called a spy etc, but really they are just treated in exactly the same way as any stranger who contacted the corp in-game.

Anyone who says they have a friend who is an F13 regular who referred them here needs to get that friend to vouch for them, not just tell us they have a friend.

[Endie]

Palmer is right.  Basically, we are a bunch of F13 posters that play together and our corp (other than a few original posters) is for F13 posters and their (usually RL) friends who they feel will fit in.

We're not looking for numbers nor are we recruiting members openly.  Being part of Goonswarm means that we're not short of fleet members (that's a little in-joke for Goons and everyone else in Eve since they read our forums).  It's probably safe to say that we'll never openly recruit, no matter where we are flying.

[MahrinSkel]

And if you think this is byzantine, when my old corp was recruiting, we didn't tell people what they were being recruited for.  They knew it was a front organization for a 0.0 corp, and there was a budget for their ships in PvP, but not which corp was footing the bill or alliance they were heading into.  They have been blasting around some random bit of 0.0 for a couple of months before they'd be told The Secret.

--Dave

[Slam Master A]

Thanks all for the input. I guess I'll start looking into some of those leads. I'll let you all know how it works out, and when you can expect to start getting pwned by me in 0.0 (as of now, expect June 2013!)

[apocrypha]

The courses traditionally fill within a few hours of being announced, so you have to get very lucky.

That said, they also ran a 100-man gang around Christmas, to see if the new server tech could handle it, so if they run that sort of thing more often it might be easier to get on courses...

Oh I didn't realise they'd got so popular. I had no trouble getting on the courses when I was playing last year. Doesn't help that Rells is a bit of a lunatic pvp evangelist I suppose, must make recruiting and retaining enough decent pilots to run courses difficult. He is funny, but mad.