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Jeff Kelly
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She looked genuinely scared when she saw Desmond for the first time. She definitely knows more than she lets on
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Samwise
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To me it sounded like not only did she know about the alternate realities, she had a hand in setting this one up. The pointed way she told Desmond that he had everything he'd ever wanted suggested that this was in fact very deliberate. Maybe the flash-sideways is the Matrix? 
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Paelos
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To me it sounded like not only did she know about the alternate realities, she had a hand in setting this one up. The pointed way she told Desmond that he had everything he'd ever wanted suggested that this was in fact very deliberate. Maybe the flash-sideways is the Matrix?  I'm pretty sure they are hinting at that. It seems to be the life that went perfectly for everyone, but for the most part they are devoid of any real love. When they chase love, it fucks everything up. The exception seems to be Locke's alternate reality, but I think that's by design.
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Jeff Kelly
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The alternate reality gives them what they want the most not what they actually need to be happy.
Eloise even told this to Desmond. Desmond gets the approval of Charles Widmore although he shouldn't care because his Wife doesn't and is much more important to his life (being his constant and all).
Charlie got the Driveshaft reunion at Widmore's charity event but knew he'd need to be with Claire Locke got his Wife and the approval of his father but sacrificed his "don't tell me what I can't do" attitude that made him a chosen one. Sawyer got a life where he didn't kill the innocent man in Australia but never met Juliet. Kate managed to escape the Marshal but is still on the run (and doesn't meet either Jack, Sawyer or gets to raise Aaron). Nadia is still alive but has married Sayid's brother Eloise didn't shoot her own son
Raising and loving Aaron gave Kate purpose Being with Juliet gave Sawyer purpose The love of Penny gave Desmond purpose Meeting Claire gave Charlie purpose etc.
It kind of makes sense. It's kind of like a twisted take on paradise. People got what they wanted but not what they needed.
I also assume that Eloise made a deal with the devil to get the life she always wanted because she definitely knows that this reality is not really real.
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Draegan
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She could be MiB's crazy mother. 
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Samwise
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If what you're saying is true, JK, the sideways reality is hell. But what about Jack and Hurley? Seems like they've both got pretty good lives.
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Evil Elvis
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She could be MiB's crazy mother.  Except we've seen her age.
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Furiously
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But, her younger. Rawr.
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Paelos
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If what you're saying is true, JK, the sideways reality is hell. But what about Jack and Hurley? Seems like they've both got pretty good lives.
We don't know that really. Also, I think sideways reality might be hell. I think letting the MiB off the island is what makes all that shit actually turn out to be true.
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tazelbain
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Pretty mild hell.
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Cheddar
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Pretty mild hell.
Its going to get worse.
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No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Draegan
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Kate's still alive... that should be hell enough for everyone.
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Vaiti
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Kate's still alive... that should be hell enough for everyone.
Oh don't worry, it's been hinted that will be taken care of soon enough.
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Paelos
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Pretty mild hell.
It's the best I can pull out of this half-cock-blocked writing. My real guess is the ending is going to be something blatantly stupid that was never remotely hinted at, but they can probably put together 30s montage of "OMG HOW DID YOU MISS IT..." amongst the 50 hours of character crap you mentally checked out of. Then, when they ask the writers, they will tell us it wasn't about the destination, it was about the journey.
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« Last Edit: April 09, 2010, 05:46:33 PM by Paelos »
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Furiously
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As long as Hugo and Desmond live I'll be happy.
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Samwise
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Luckily this isn't a Joss Whedon show, so they'll probably be okay.
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raydeen
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I was drinking when I wrote this, so sue me if it goes astray.
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Paelos
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Kablooey  About time. Freaking know-it-all nag.
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Kablooey  About time. Freaking know-it-all nag. Man, Jacob really IS an asshole. Anyways, great episode, especially the end.
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Samwise
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I think tonight's episode pretty strongly validated the theory that Locke in the sideways timeline is the smoke monster. Either that or Desmond was confused and has just made a somewhat tragic blunder. 
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HaemishM
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Desmond just hates cripples.  I'm loving the new, calm Jesus Desmond. Either Locke in the sideways timeline is the Smoke Monster and Desmond knows it, or Desmond is trying to get Locke to see the fallacy of the sideways timeline by the vehicular version of the zen slap.
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Maybe Desmond can see between the realities at the same time now, and just wanted revenge. Throw me down a well will you? Eat my fender asshole!
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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Samwise
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OOH... or maybe he's trying to put Locke in the hospital so Jack will work on him?
If he'd wanted to kill him, hitting him with a sedan is far from the most surefire way.
Okay, I take back my smoke monster comment.
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I don't know why, but this cracks me up 
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Samwise
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Oh my god, that's a brilliant summation of this episode.
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HaemishM
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Le awesome.
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Draegan
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My initial response to Desmond running over Locke is that once Locke dies in the alt-timeline he will comeback to the island timeline and push out the smoke monster.
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Samwise
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Desmond is fucking rich, though. He can't hire a guy to just pop him? Or buy a gun and do it himself?
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Vaiti
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My first thought was Desmond was putting things in the sideways timeline "the way they should be" when he hit Locke.
But then I remembered he didn't go murdering Libby. So lol, I dunno. The forcing him to see Jack thing seem the most likely at this point. Followed closely by him seeing both timelines and not knowing Locke is the smoke monster, but knowing Locke pushed him down a well. So fuck that guy. Run his ass over.
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Mrbloodworth
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Maybe Desmond can see between the realities at the same time now, and just wanted revenge. Throw me down a well will you? Eat my fender asshole!
This. Because of the recent box of magnets encounter, I think he got a cross pollination update. We already knew Desmond seems to not be beholden to the laws of time and space. Poor guy, got dragged right back to the dam island. It's the best I can pull out of this half-cock-blocked writing. My real guess is the ending is going to be something blatantly stupid that was never remotely hinted at,
You just described the entire last season. There is close to nothing in this season that has jack all to do with the first. Its been like a bad Stephen king novel, but I'm still watching because I need closure.
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Paelos
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My other fear is that it's something obvious we all guessed back in season 2, but the writers came out and vehemently said, "No it's not that." "But wait yeah it really was, lulz." 
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Samwise
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OOH... or maybe he's trying to put Locke in the hospital so Jack will work on him?
 Interesting how quickly all the islanders are converging in the flash sideways, and not solely by Desmond's doing, although he's certainly helping. Anyone else finding it somewhat unrealistic how quickly Jack and his kid have gone from zero to best buds? Did I miss an 80's montage somewhere? Not much happened in the main timeline this episode. Blah.
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HaemishM
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Not much? EH? Jack essentially makes the choice that will make him the next Jacob (or at least he believes it will make him the next Jacob) and Widmore decides to waste the entire group of candidates who make it to the island so as to ensure Flocke can't leave? And Sayeed wakes up and goes against Flocke instead of killing Desmond? I'd say those were pretty big, though it certainly might not have seemed it.
Sun's screaming that "IT'S HIM!" when she saw Locke tells me the sideways Locke really is the smoke monster escape vessel, or at least they are certainly positioning it that way.
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Samwise
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Eh, we already knew Jack was lined up to be the next Jacob, and we already knew Widmore is unscrupulous and that he wants to keep Smokey on the island. Sayid going against Smokey was something, but we haven't seen any real ramifications from it yet.
Really, the biggest thing was the implication that Jack has now been recruited by Smokey (the episode title is "The Last Recruit"). But we've already seen from Claire and Sayid's minor betrayals that becoming a "recruit" isn't as big a deal as we thought it was (i.e. it's not an irreversible change).
Sun saying "it's him" could mean goddamn anything. She could be recognizing him as Locke, or she could be recognizing him as Smokey. Either could plausibly elicit that reaction from her. And she could be wrong either way. We don't know how much of her memory she has.
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« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 10:44:29 AM by Samwise »
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