Lost [FINALE SPOILERS PAGE 25 ONWARDS]

[Soln]

Watching this program again convinces me that Hurley is one of the shows greatest inventions. He's not only consistently likeable, which is a feat since several of the show's heroes are pretty insufferable at times, he's a great tool for the writers.  Hurley is the audience and not just comedy relief.  He's the way the writers can speak directly to the audience in a way the show-don't-tell style of the program would otherwise avoid.  He allows the writers to explain things in a direct way.  It pushes the story along in a new way.  They put the audience's questions in his mouth and he gets to ask about things we want to know.  It's a great trick, particularly for a show that's all about obfuscation.  I think without Hurley the show would've been a little more irritating and disappointing as it progressed, like Twin Peaks or the X-Files.  

I mean, when they started time travelling he wanted to write the script for the Empire Strickes Back...  Not Star Wars mind you, but Empire, "because it was the best film."  Gold.  

[ahoythematey]

Hurley definitely had the best lines in the series, particularly regarding his questions about Richard's agelessness.  "So, are you, like, a terminator? A vampire?"

[Paelos]

When Hurley breaks down and finally confesses to his mother what actually went on while he was on the island, it was possibly one of the best and funniest recaps of the show.

Okay… See, we did crash. But it was on this crazy island. I mean, we waited for rescue, and there wasn’t a rescue. And there was a smoke monster. And then there were other people on the island — we called them the Others, and they started attacking us. And we found some hatches and there was a button you had to push every 108 minutes or — well, I was never really clear on that — But the Others didn’t have anything to do with the hatches, that was the Dharma Initiative. They were all dead — the Others killed them. And now they’re trying to kill us. And then we teamed up with the Others because some worse people were coming on a freighter. Desmond’s girlfriend’s father sent them to kill us. So we stole their helicopter and we flew it to their freighter, but it blew up. And we couldn’t go back to the island because it disappeared. So then we crashed into the ocean, and we floated there for a while, until a boat came and picked us up. And by then there were six of us. That part was true. But the rest of the people who were on the plane…they’re still on that island.

[Hawkbit]

I'm pretty sure that's the same ep that had his mom saying "Jesus is not a weapon!"... that had me in stitches.  Likely the hardest I've laughed on this show ever.

[Soln]

my hope for the ending is Hurley is made God and left alone to golf and eat and stroll on the island in bliss with a handful of ghosts to talk with.  But I fully expect to be disappointed with Jack and Sawyer taking over for Jacob and MrBlack.

[Draegan]

As long as Kate dies, I'm happy.

[Samwise]

my hope for the ending is Hurley is made God and left alone to golf and eat and stroll on the island in bliss with a handful of ghosts to talk with.  But I fully expect to be disappointed with Jack and Sawyer taking over for Jacob and MrBlack.

I agree with what you said.

[Teleku]

my hope for the ending is Hurley is made God and left alone to golf and eat and stroll on the island in bliss with a handful of ghosts to talk with.  But I fully expect to be disappointed with Jack and Sawyer taking over for Jacob and MrBlack.

Watch it end up being some wacky combination like Sayid and Sun.

[Furiously]

I fully expect a Sun & Sun ending with happiness for all.

[Paelos]

Well that was another setup episode while they wait for the OMG RICHARD!!!1 reveal.

[Samwise]

Yeah, kind of a letdown after the last couple of episodes where things happened.  I did love Sawyer and Miles as cop buddies though.  That would be a great spinoff.

[tazelbain]

It was good.  Things moved forward.  The thing with Kate/Smokey/Clarie was a bit strange.

[HaemishM]

I did love Sawyer and Miles as cop buddies though.  That would be a great spinoff.

That was the best part, and got me thinking. If Sawyer becomes a cop instead of a criminal, it brings up a few questions:

Since we know Jacob visiting the Young Sawyer after his parent's death in the timeline where he becomes a criminal, does that mean Jacob's intervention made him a criminal? If so, does his life as a cop mean that Jacob DID NOT intervene? And if that's true, did he not intervene because the island was gone? Or did he intervene in a different way?

Miles mentioned his father being a professor at some museum, which leads me to believe that the doctor survived the nuclear explosion and got off the island (unless Miles meant a stepdad his mom told him was his real dad). Wasn't he right in the area where the blast occurred? If so, how did he make it off the island? And if he made it off, does that mean some of the main characters like Jack or Kate made it off as well, possibly leading to a second set of people living in the sideways timeline, like an Old Jack and a Young Jack?

[Draegan]

It was a boring episode.  Nothing happened.  If next week's episode isn't brilliant and amazing, then there is no hope in saving it.

[Paelos]

I did love Sawyer and Miles as cop buddies though.  That would be a great spinoff.

That was the best part, and got me thinking. If Sawyer becomes a cop instead of a criminal, it brings up a few questions:

Since we know Jacob visiting the Young Sawyer after his parent's death in the timeline where he becomes a criminal, does that mean Jacob's intervention made him a criminal? If so, does his life as a cop mean that Jacob DID NOT intervene? And if that's true, did he not intervene because the island was gone? Or did he intervene in a different way?

Because Jacob is an evil douchebag who ruins everyone's life that he touches.

[Samwise]

Yeah, it is striking how by and large everyone is much better off in the flash sideways.  Although I don't know if I buy that it's because Jacob is gone and they're free to live their lives without interference, because they all keep conveniently running into each other.

[HaemishM]

We don't know that Jacob wasn't in their lives in the flash sideways - just that the island wasn't a part of their lives. They are still being drawn together in various ways.

[Paelos]

We don't know that Jacob wasn't in their lives in the flash sideways - just that the island wasn't a part of their lives. They are still being drawn together in various ways.

Hell, nobody believes Jacob is righteous anymore after Richard's meltdown in the shack. Jacob sucks. He's not the white knight. At best he's trying to save the world at all costs. At worst, he's the devil of the show (which is what I believe).

[Tebonas]

Liked the episode, the flash sideways with the buddy cop routine was enjoyable, Charlotte was sufficiently hot, Kate was almost killed. Good times.

But how on earth does Sawyer think using a sub is easier than flying a plane? How many people would he have to force on gunpoint to do their job?

[Draegan]

But how on earth does Sawyer think using a sub is easier than flying a plane? How many people would he have to force on gunpoint to do their job?

That's what I said to my fiance.  He thinks trying to submerge a sub is going to be easier than flying a large commercial plane?  I would think both are impossible.

Plus can just two people even operate a sub?

[Mrbloodworth]

But how on earth does Sawyer think using a sub is easier than flying a plane? How many people would he have to force on gunpoint to do their job?

That's what I said to my fiance.  He thinks trying to submerge a sub is going to be easier than flying a large commercial plane?  I would think both are impossible.

Plus can just two people even operate a sub?

Its a priviate sub, not a millitary one.

Anyway, I am starting to long for the days where the dharma group was the mystery, I think the show peaked at the arch surrounding the hatch, and dharma.

[Draegan]

Me too.

[Mrbloodworth]

It was much more compelling then the current sessions tacked on feel. The show as a whole though, I still like.

I still dont think we know half of what we should about dharma.

[Abagadro]

Easy way to pilot sub: hold gun to sub pilot's head.

[Tebonas]

As I said earlier, how many people do you need for such a sub? How many of those will be fighting Lockes crew while Sawyer sneaks on the Sub during the fight (which is his stated plan).

[HaemishM]

Who says Sawyer didn't learn a little about piloting a sub when he was in the security department with the Dharma Initiative in the '70s?

[Mrbloodworth]

As I said earlier, how many people do you need for such a sub? How many of those will be fighting Lockes crew while Sawyer sneaks on the Sub during the fight (which is his stated plan).

To make it move? One most likely. To navigate, repair, maintain, troubleshoot, and monitor tolerances? More than one.

[Tebonas]

The point of seasons past was that you need an exact course to go to and from the island. So navigating would be a good idea if that still is true.

[Soln]

so here's where we are with the season:

9   "Ab Aeterno"  (“from the beginning of time”)  >> Richard, reveal show (more about island history, less flash sidewise drama)
10  "The Package"  >> Sun/Jin, transition show (like this week's with Sawyer, more sidewise drama)?
11  "Happily Ever After"  >> Claire? reveal show (Christian, Flocke history)
12  "Everybody Loves Hugo"  >> Hurley, transition show
13  "The Last Recruit"  >> reveal
14   TBD 
15  "Across the Sea"
16   TBD
17/18   TBD

[Paelos]

That was pretty good history stuff. I loved seeing Jacob and the Man in Black actually interact with normal dialogue.

[Draegan]

Good episode, only complaint is that they didn't spend more time with Richard being on the island.  It's a minor complaint though.

[Ozzu]

So the island is a cork for teh evil. Well, according to Jacob at least.

Great episode. Probably the 2nd best of the season.

[Paelos]

So the island is a cork for teh evil. Well, according to Jacob at least.

Great episode. Probably the 2nd best of the season.

Still not buying it that Jacob's stopping the evil. They both just seem like two total assholes caught in a cycle they don't really want.

[HaemishM]

So the island is a cork for teh evil. Well, according to Jacob at least.

Great episode. Probably the 2nd best of the season.

Still not buying it that Jacob's stopping the evil. They both just seem like two total assholes caught in a cycle they don't really want.

I think that's actually the point. Jacob isn't so much stopping the evil as stopping the corrupting influence of the Man in Black, the part of people's psyche that chooses to do bad things to get what they want regardless of the cost to other people. Jacob isn't a white knight, he's just the unlucky SOB who got stuck with the job of keeping this bigger asshole locked in prison.

Prison guards can be real assholes until you compare them to the assholes they are guarding.

[Samwise]

Cool episode.  The thing with the island being the cork in the wine bottle of evil, and needing two people to maintain it... remind anyone else of the hatch?