Game of Thrones [SPOILERS]

[Segoris]

Bran/Winterfell questions/musings under spoiler

As for Jon Snow and the wall....

[Khaldun]

Re Bran and Winterfell

[Ironwood]

That's exactly what I said.  In the books, it doesn't go down that way, so it makes sense.  Here, not so much.

[lac]

I was confused by this too. What happens to the camping army in the books after they knock out Theon? Do they pack up and leave when they see the fire (as I understood from wachting the ep.) or where they still there when Bran decides to go North?

[Khaldun]

I think they have chosen to deliberately make the sacking of Winterfell mysterious as a set-up for the introduction of an important secondary character in the next season, so it's a bit hard to know what to say re: the books.

But...

[Threash]

I think they have chosen to deliberately make the sacking of Winterfell mysterious as a set-up for the introduction of an important secondary character in the next season, so it's a bit hard to know what to say re: the books.

But...

Actually, no.    THAT makes a lot of sense.  What they showed on TV was a result of not being able to cast a main character for one single scene so everything is left up in the air until the third season when he has more than a bit part.

[Khaldun]

Oh, right. Getting the series rewrite a bit confused with the details of the books.

[Rendakor]

I think they have chosen to deliberately make the sacking of Winterfell mysterious as a set-up for the introduction of an important secondary character in the next season, so it's a bit hard to know what to say re: the books.

But...

Actually, no.    THAT makes a lot of sense.  What they showed on TV was a result of not being able to cast a main character for one single scene so everything is left up in the air until the third season when he has more than a bit part.

[Tale]

Bran/Winterfell questions/musings under spoiler

Others have posted book spoilers instead of answering you tactfully.

Here is an answer for TV viewers: the final view of Winterfell was a result seen through the eyes of Bran and Rickon. The explanation for that result is presumably being saved up for season 3, whereas book readers already knew why at that stage.

[Ginaz]

Bran/Winterfell questions/musings under spoiler

Things aren't as they seem.  The reason is laid out in the book.

[Riggswolfe]

The show didn't explain what happened well at all. As others have said, you'll see in Season 3 why Bran/Rickon had to leave and hopefully at least hear about what happened to Winterfell.

[Khaldun]

Ok, but as a result of having to remember the complicated shit in the book, I have to say that no matter how they explain it, they aren't going to be explaining it the way the books explained it.

[Ironwood]

To be honest, I worry less about explaining it to the audience and more about the logic as seen by the characters.

I mean, they have no fucking idea what went on either.  Why the fuck did they run ?

[Arthur_Parker]

It didn't really bother me, there's 4 of them, an idiot, 2 young kids and a woman, Winterfell is destroyed.  None of them are going to be taken seriously by anyone, so they need someone they can trust, with the North being stripped of the the majority of the Nobles they know, Jon Snow is fairly close and due to his oath, his location should be certain.

[Khaldun]

Luwin explained it that way to them, pretty much: Jon is the only person nearby you can trust. Can't go south, too dangerous, who knows what the heck is going on in the north with the ironmen running around. Luwin doesn't know that the Wall has its own problems, so it seems like a safe place to be.

[Draegan]

[Khaldun]

[Samwise]

I thought the Theon storyline in the books was really interesting.  I don't know why you all hate fun.   

[Khaldun]

Up to this point, sure. But now?

[Teleku]

Not sure why you guys (who have read the book) are having a hard time seeing exactly whats going on and how they are handling Winterfell:

Edit:  Woops, fixed.  Thanks Rendakor.

[Rendakor]

I assume you didn't mean to type Jon there.

[Dark_MadMax]

Season2 was such a huge disappointment for me :(

-I expected them to show all the horrors of war (burned villages, hanged folk, torture etc). To show how much of a monster Gregori Clegane and Amory Loch were. It was  really dark and depressing depictions of all of this in the book

-Whole Renly Baratheon "gay" angle and  they  for some reason showed Margery to be a  power hungry ambitious bitch (while she was in fact just young innocent flower -all the more horror to be married to Joeffrey).Totally botched for no reason

-Battle of a blackwater-  the worst. It was supposed to be epic. More epic than anything I read so far. Thousands of ships clashing .The chain trap and wild fire . Firestorm on the water .  Instead it looked like weekend skirmish of drunk guards.   Come on nowdays make a thousands ships in CGI is not that expensive.


 

[Ironwood]

Actually, it kinda is without it looking like utter ass.

[Arthur_Parker]

-Whole Renly Baratheon "gay" angle and  they  for some reason showed Margery to be a  power hungry ambitious bitch (while she was in fact just young innocent flower -all the more horror to be married to Joeffrey).Totally botched for no reason

Renly was gay in the book, it's just easier to miss, with the limited TV time available Margaery Tyrell is representing the whole Tyrell clan and the Rose plays the game differently to the Stag, Wolf, Lion or Dragon.  She is less likeable but I can see it was going to be difficult to add yet another major house to the TV show.

[Bunk]

Book Margery was pretty much useless, and had little point beyond her last name - I like the fact that the TV show has changed her in to character with her own motives. As for Blackwater - we're going to have to accept that you are not going to get any LotR scale battlescenes in a tv series - I thought they did pretty well with what they had. Probably would have helped to have a couple smoke obscured, wide shots of Stanis's army invading the beach to give it a better sense of scale.

As to the Renly thing - he was so inconsequential in the books that I barely remembered him outside of his death scene. Where as I thought the TV show did a great job of presenting him as an important player with an actual story - which made killing him off suddenly so much more effective.

Book readers are going to have to accept the fact that the show is going to diverge from the books quite a bit. Personally, I prefer it.

[murdoc]

Show Margaery is much better than book Margaery. How her character already behaves will make events in season 3/4 make more sense imo. I think, overall, the show has a done a really good job where it's deviated from the book. Starting with Eddard's fight against Jamie in King's Landing, right into some of the things they've done for season 2.

[Ironwood]

Also, she's the hawt as fuck woman from Fades.

[Tebonas]

Or, the other role where she practiced getting fucked by a mad king, Anne Boleyn in the Tudors.

[Ironwood]

Or when she snogged Steve Rogers after he became Captain America and the other British woman was all like 'oh, Poor Show, Chaps.'

[Rendakor]

Or, the other role where she practiced getting fucked by a mad king, Anne Boleyn in the Tudors.

This is where I remember her fondly from. They've sort of projected a lot of her father's character onto her, which I'm fine with since I'd rather see a pretty lady than a fat man.

[Teleku]

Season2 was such a huge disappointment for me :(
-Whole Renly Baratheon "gay" angle and  they  for some reason showed Margery to be a  power hungry ambitious bitch (while she was in fact just young innocent flower -all the more horror to be married to Joeffrey).Totally botched for no reason

So yes, I'm very happy with what they've done with the character.  And the actress they picked who seems so in love with side boobs from a quick GIS.  Thank you Ironwood, I hadn't realized she was the hot chick in Captain America.  She looks better as a Brunette though.

[Tale]

There are a lot of things strongly implied but unsaid in the books, which must become more clearly said on TV.

[Phred]

[Phred]

To be honest, I worry less about explaining it to the audience and more about the logic as seen by the characters.

I mean, they have no fucking idea what went on either.  Why the fuck did they run ?

In the book the dreams were having a much greater influence on Bran than in the series. That combined with the 2 missing character's influence made Bran's decision to head north and find the 3 eyed crow much more reasonable. Bran sees this as his salvation from being a cripple.

[Phred]