Left 4 Dead

[Megrim]

So, um, how does i play this when i keep getting "Cannot connect to client with null XUID!" errors or something in console?

hlep lol, i want to get brained by zombies!

[Triforcer]

My teammates cause me to weep with the stupid.  #1 problem so far:  people who refuse to go in the fucking safe room.  Three of us will be in there, and the fourth will insist on running around exploring, and then get caught by 30 zombies and die.  By the third or fourth time this happened and the fucker refused to go in the safe room, I finished him off myself.

[Yegolev]

That actually sounds like fun.

[Megrim]

Ok, got it working, played it through. Is it normal to be hit with 2x zombie wave, 2x boomer, a smoker, a hunter and a tank all at the same time?

[Aez]

Ok, got it working, played it through. It's normal to be hit with 2x zombie wave, 2x boomer, a smoker, a hunter and a tank all at the same time, confirm/deny?

Confirming it.

memememememe

[Falconeer]

Dammit.

It's hard to explain how cool is to play with 4 friends on expert.
I dare to say it's impossible to progress, or we just suck SO BAD at zombie slaying (without blowing each other off, that is), but it's hystherically fun fun fun.

Can't wait to play with you all.

[Engels]

without blowing each other off, that is

UP. The word you are looking for is UP. At least I hope so.

[NiX]

Someone has a zombie fetish...

[Falconeer]

without blowing each other off, that is

UP. The word you are looking for is UP. At least I hope so.

OMG, I can only laugh so hard. Yeah, sorry. duuuuh.... /blows himself up

EDIT: fuck, I am still laughing. I feel so stupid but for some reason I am so amused.

[Lantyssa]

If a zombie apocolypse is happening, the survivors might as well get a little joy out of it while they can.

[Margalis]

Toying with the idea of getting the 360 version as my home computer is crap and I don't have a good setup for using my mouse in an action game. (It's sitting on a cardboard box) But I'm kind of scared that the Xbox community will be like it is for many online games - nonexistent.

[NiX]

It's weird. I'll have both version of the game for two separate groups of friends, so if you'll add me you can always be my zombie buddy!

[Triforcer]

Seeing how hard it is against the AI (on expert), I'm starting to wonder how any 4 survivors could possible beat four Infected who were communicating.  I mean jesus, the hunters time pounce together, the smoker grabs one other, and the boomer vomits on the other (or one of the incapicitated parties)= instant death.  Hell, even two Infected that coincidentally happen to attack at the same time during a zombie wave would win it 90% of the time.   A complete shutdown of 3 people (OMG CROWD CONTROL NERF) at the same time (with the Boomer also in the mix, although he has to be closer which would make things harder) would be pretty darn powerful, even with few regular zombies around.

[schild]

You're assuming a lot.

[ashrik]

You're assuming a lot.

Maybe, but do you disagree with him? Every single one of my failures on expert that aren't tank-related are due to two types of simultaneous attacks. 

I assumed it worked the same way for everyone else. A boomer spits on 3 of your guys and a smoker grabs the last one, you're pretty much fucked unless someone is smart with a pipe bomb. They usually aren't and said boning ends quicker than the first time you startled a witch by accident. A combination of any two different attacks at once, as it currently stands, will almost be a guaranteed wipe as far as I see. Maybe Valve is putting something in to stop it from being so easy- that's an assumption that I'd like to make.

[Falconeer]

It's expert. I am not even sure it's supposed to be possible to win on expert. And if it is, you have to feel really proud about it. So maybe you are right but ah well...

[schild]

Maybe, but do you disagree with him? Every single one of my failures on expert that aren't tank-related are due to two types of simultaneous attacks.

The last two I won, both a tank or a witch were killed.

On one of them we killed BOTH.

Edit: Boomer rushes are really fucking easy to deal with if you always hug a wall where mobs don't spawn. I really wish more players would figure out the lay of the fucking land - and maybe be a bit more patient.

Edit:

It's expert. I am not even sure it's supposed to be possible to win on expert. And if it is, you have to feel really proud about it. So maybe you are right but ah well...

Yes, it's hard. And yes I feel good when I beat it, especially when all 4 people are still seeing color. But is it impossible? Not even a little.

[Lantyssa]

Edit: Boomer rushes are really fucking easy to deal with if you always hug a wall where mobs don't spawn. I really wish more players would figure out the lay of the fucking land - and maybe be a bit more patient.

Corners are your friend during a rush.  I'm always trying to keep near at least one wall.

I also like strategically placing fuel cans.

[NiX]

Unfortunately a lot people just don't get the point of most strategic games. FPS ultimately equals death match to a lot of people. I find most people are out to kill a lot of zombies while ignoring the fact that if you linger, the director WILL crush you. I had one group who stayed at the top of the subway safe room thinking that all they could do was climb up, then the director in all its glory, decided to send some in from the top. To top it off he sends in a smoker and a hunter. We wiped at the fucking safe room door.

[Megrim]

Eeeeh, it goes both ways. I was in a game recently where we had to hold a train car for about five minutes against non-stop mob and boss spawns. After that we got a very quiet non-spawn run up to the minigun room (where we were flattened by a tank/hunter combo right at the initial window).

[Zzulo]

Seeing how hard it is against the AI (on expert), I'm starting to wonder how any 4 survivors could possible beat four Infected who were communicating.  I mean jesus, the hunters time pounce together, the smoker grabs one other, and the boomer vomits on the other (or one of the incapicitated parties)= instant death.  Hell, even two Infected that coincidentally happen to attack at the same time during a zombie wave would win it 90% of the time.   A complete shutdown of 3 people (OMG CROWD CONTROL NERF) at the same time (with the Boomer also in the mix, although he has to be closer which would make things harder) would be pretty darn powerful, even with few regular zombies around.

Expert is incredibly easy. I mean, not the first time you play it, but once you learn to play it's very very easy. Hordes are, in my opinion, far too easy. Just back into a corner and melee and you can usually single-handedly take out a horde with your fists.

When I play the demo on expert with my friends now, we have to use console commands to keep it challenging. We usually double the amount of zombies and then go from there. We even crashed our server because of how many zombies we at one time managed to spawn.

Seriously, once you get the tactics and learn the basic anti-zombie strategy, the (at least the demo) game is very very very easy. I have never played the game in anything but "expert", and to me, it is the only way to play the game.

[schild]

That said, we've only seen 2 levels and they're not particularly hard to master and they are the FIRST two levels of the FIRST campaign. I imagine things like the rooftop (5th part of the 1st level) won't have as many corners to hide from, at least, I'm hoping not.

[Zzulo]

Yeah, I understand it is going to get harder. I heard that you'll face more than one tank at one point for example.

[Falconeer]

Expert is incredibly easy.

Damn. I suck at videogames.

[NiX]

Damn. I suck at videogames.

Eh, not necessarily. He does admit to playing with friends. I spend most my time with pubbies because that really enhances the experience.

[Sky]

Played the demo, this is going to be fun with people you know.

And you know us! So this is going to be fun to the EXTREEEEEEEEEEEME

...for two weeks.

[NiX]

I'm not fickle. I played TF2 for a loooong time. It's the rest of you limey bastards that left.

[Falconeer]

Two weeks is a lot of fun!

[SnakeCharmer]

Somebody needs to buy AI Director and put it into an MMO for raid encounters.

[ashrik]

Left 4 Dead 2 Die: Online

MMOFPSRPG

Make it happen!

[NiX]

Why? WHY!? We all know someone would just under utilize the director or break the idea.

[Falconeer]

Well, incredibly easy my arse!

Me and 3 friends played for like 2 hours in a row, with voice chat and all. Took us 1 hour to finish the first level and we couldn't finish the second one, no matter what.
Sure we suck, no seriously we do, but incredibly easy? Or you were playing with a NPC (they are pretty efficient if you ask me, and never risk friendly fire. It's somewhat easier with less human players), or you are a band of cyborgs.

Again, I am not saying it's impossible as I said yesterday. But "incredibly easy"? 4 humans on Expert? No.

[Megrim]

Well, incredibly easy my arse!

Me and 3 friends played for like 2 hours in a row, with voice chat and all. Took us 1 hour to finish the first level and we couldn't finish the second one, no matter what.
Sure we suck, no seriously we do, but incredibly easy? Or you were playing with a NPC (they are pretty efficient if you ask me, and never risk friendly fire. It's somewhat easier with less human players), or you are a band of cyborgs.

Again, I am not saying it's impossible as I said yesterday. But "incredibly easy"? 4 humans on Expert? No.

It's not consistent at all. Which is what i really like about this game. I've had Expert games which have ran without a hitch and were ezmode, and i have also had Expert games which had been freight train after freight train (the second one usually being on fire). There have been games in which we had gotten good weapons and didn't even need them, and there have been games in which we would get the rifles, etc... at the last table, having to plow our way through with shotguns and uzis - and that last table had had a Witch parked on it.

So your Expert mode might not be some else's Expert mode.

[NiX]

I played on the 360 for the first time tonight and realized that the game doesn't do well with thumbsticks. I Molotov'd my entire team to death and ran in the fire with them to make them feel better.

[Velorath]

Having played all the way through the second campaign, this might well be GOTY for me (keep in mind that I love zombies).  In fact Dead Space is it's closest competition for me so far, although that is largely due to how much I love Dead Space's lack of an HUD.