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[Draegan]

Well my main complaint is what do I do?

I'm sitting in some sort of ship, I have no idea what kind, a bunch of guns and I have a ton of drone skills and I'm not using a drone ship.  Nerf told me to get a few of the T2 Learning skills, which is what I'm training now.

But what can I do when I log in.  I want to blow stuff up and learn about fittings and shit.  Do I just randomly fly somewhere and attack people?

Oh and I'm poor.  I think i have 5mil isk.

[WayAbvPar]

Run some missions while you remember how to work the interface and how to fit ships. I can donate some isk to you as well- just remind me in game. Once you get a better feel for your play style, you can narrow down your immediate training goals and go from there. T2 learning skills are shitty, but they save you a TON of time in the long run.

[Draegan]

I tried to do a mission and the pirates were eating through my shields quick like so I think I found a too tough a mission.

Also.. http://eve-sheet.com/skills/Draegano

Shrug.  If I get home tonight I'll play around some more.

[WayAbvPar]

Some of the missions are clownshoes difficult, but most should be doable even if you have to warp out to repair every now and then. If you are getting hit hard, take note of what kind of rats are doing the damage. Then get some shield/armor mods that harden against that particular damage. See below-

Eve Enemy Damage Types


Damage to Deal

Amarr Empire - Explosive / Kinetic / Thermal
Angel Cartel (Gist/Dom) - Explosive / Kinetic / Thermal
Blood Raider (Corpii) - EM / Thermal / Kinetic
Gallente Federation - Thermal / Kinetic / Explosive
Guristas/Pirates (Pith) - Kinetic / Thermal / Explosive
Mercenaries - Kinetic / Thermal / Explosive
Minmatar Republic - Explosive / EM / Kinetic
Mordu's Legion - Thermal / Kinetic / EM
Rogue Drones (Alvi) - EM / Thermal / Kinetic
Sansha's Nation (Centii) - EM / Thermal / Kinetic
Serpentis (Core) - Kinetic / Thermal / EM


Damage to protect against


Amarr - EM / Thermal / Kinetic
Angel Cartel (Gist/DOM) - Explosive / Kinetic / Thermal
Blood Raiders (Corpii) - EM / Thermal / Kinetic
Gallente Federation - Kinetic / Thermal / Explosive
Guristas Pirates (Pith) - Kinetic / Thermal / EM
Mercenaries - Kinetic / Thermal / Explosive
Minmatar Republic - Thermal / Explosive / Kinetic
Mordu's Legion - Kinetic / Thermal / EM
Rogue Drones (Alvi) - Explosive / Kinetic / Thermal
Sansha's Nation (Centii) - EM / Thermal / Kinetic
Serpentis (Core) - Thermal / Kinetic / EM

 

If you don't have the patience to swap mods all the time, you can try to omnitank with things like Invulnerability Fields and Damage Control Units. They won't be as effective as the specific hardeners are, but they will be better than no protection at all.

[Draegan]

That's a lot of work to fight NPC shit.  Especially level 1 missions.

[Amarr HM]

You shouldn't need to worry about swapping resists unless you are doing a Level 4 missions or an especially tough Level 3. Might want to get a good fit together though not sure what you are using atm you should be using a vexor.

[Draegan]

I'm in a catalyst apparently.

[Amarr HM]

You should be flyin a vexor for level 1 and 2 missions with your skills.

[Draegan]

What if I can't afford one? 

And I have no idea where to find missions.

[Fordel]

Unless things have dramatically changed since I last played, a Vexor should only run 5 mil tops, a proper fit another 2-4 total. I am sure one of the EVE vets can sneeze that amount of ISK at you once they get online.

[Nevermore]

If you're able to train up Assault Frigates, even though the Vexor is a nice ship, I enjoyed flying an Ishkur ten times more.  I think the Ishkur was my favorite ship to fly in the game, when I played.

[Fordel]

The Ishkur is certainly awesome, but it's really skill intensive compared to a Vexor. It's also roughly 5 times the cost I'm guessing.

A lot easier to go "oops, shit, welp" in a Vexor and get a new one. 

[Nevermore]

I don't know what prices are like now, but when I played an Ishkur only cost roughly twice as much as a Vexor.  It's also a tougher little ship, at least in my experience.  I picked mine up for 9 million I think?  Not including fitting, of course.  I never did lose that ship.  But yeah, you need some pretty good skills to fly it well.

[Fordel]

Maybe you got lucky (or I was unlucky). When I played, I never saw one under 25 mil.

[Draegan]

Explain the skills that make you fly it well vs. not flying it well.

[Fordel]

A lot of it is just the base skills, but to rank 5. I don't have a list in front of me, but you'll probably want a lot of the general engineering and mechanic skills. Things that give you more Grid to work with when fitting, more CPU (a lot of ship setups don't actually 'fit' until you max those base skills out). Things that flat out improve your mobility and stamina. Probably want t2 drones/guns to go with a Iskhur too. You'll also just want the actual Assault Frig skill up to 4-5, to maximize the bonus.


Did they ever put in a 'recommended' skill list for ships/items? I swear I read about it in some patch note, but this is EVE/CCP. So who knows!

[UnsGub]

Ishkur

Median selling price in view: 23,724,000.00 ISK
Volume for sale now: 1,407 units
Movement (Initial volume - volume remaining): 509 units

http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=12042


Vexor

Median selling price in view: 4,104,999.00 ISK
Volume for sale now: 3,572 units
Movement (Initial volume - volume remaining): 966 units


http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=626

[Nevermore]

Wow, they've gone up in price a lot.  I know it's been a long time since I've played but still. 

[eldaec]

A lot easier to go "oops, shit, welp" in a Vexor and get a new one. 

True, but you are only talking the difference between 10 minutes of ratting or an hour.

[Morat20]

A lot easier to go "oops, shit, welp" in a Vexor and get a new one. 

True, but you are only talking the difference between 10 minutes of ratting or an hour.

Not to someone doing L1 missions. :)

You should be able to take a Vex, slap 5 Hobs in it, mount a few small rails and go to town on any L2. Just shove in some armor plate (biggest you can fit), a good repper, and whatever increases your capacitor recharge. Heck, you should have room for a tractor and a salvager.

Fire the gun to annoy a group of rats. Launch drones on now-aggroed rats. Let drones eat rats. Tractor in and loot/salvage rats. Repeat.

[Murgos]

With a little care and effort you can do L3's in a Vexor (though I would recommend a Myrm ASAP).

The months training time added to get into an Ishkur and then the cost on top of that is just not worth it for missions that at best net you a few hundred grand.

[Fordel]

A lot easier to go "oops, shit, welp" in a Vexor and get a new one. 

True, but you are only talking the difference between 10 minutes of ratting or an hour.

Not to someone doing L1 missions. :)

You should be able to take a Vex, slap 5 Hobs in it, mount a few small rails and go to town on any L2. Just shove in some armor plate (biggest you can fit), a good repper, and whatever increases your capacitor recharge. Heck, you should have room for a tractor and a salvager.

Fire the gun to annoy a group of rats. Launch drones on now-aggroed rats. Let drones eat rats. Tractor in and loot/salvage rats. Repeat.

And if you are a truly giant dork, you name all your little drones after Viper Pilots and pretend your Vexor is the Galactica. Not that I would do that... 

[Morat20]

With a little care and effort you can do L3's in a Vexor (though I would recommend a Myrm ASAP).

The months training time added to get into an Ishkur and then the cost on top of that is just not worth it for missions that at best net you a few hundred grand.

Ugh. You'd need support skills to 5, and you'd have no room for error. Frankly, you can run the Myrm with just BC to 3 and the same skill set as the Vex otherwise. You small hybrids to aggro, and use drones. Nice thing about Gallente -- focus on your drones and armor repping, and you can get away with murder for a very long time. :)

[Murgos]

Yeah, I did 3's in a BS plated Vexor and there were a few close calls, I may have even lost one.  It was much easier in a Myrm, the bonuses to medium armor reps mean that at BC 3/4 and medium rep II's (which are easy to train for) you repair a significant DPS.  Enough that with a dual repped Myrm I was tanking all but the hardest L4's with ease.

The ONLY reason I got out of the Myrm for L4's was due to not being able to output enough DPS to finish the missions at a reasonable rate.  There are a few BS's in those missions that can tank 5 well skilled Hob II's for a VERY long time.

[Morat20]

Yeah, I did 3's in a BS plated Vexor and there were a few close calls, I may have even lost one.  It was much easier in a Myrm, the bonuses to medium armor reps mean that at BC 3/4 and medium rep II's (which are easy to train for) you repair a significant DPS.  Enough that with a dual repped Myrm I was tanking all but the hardest L4's with ease.

The ONLY reason I got out of the Myrm for L4's was due to not being able to output enough DPS to finish the missions at a reasonable rate.  There are a few BS's in those missions that can tank 5 well skilled Hob II's for a VERY long time.

Yeah, I pretty much ran into those same problems in L4's. Switching to Ogre II's (and later Warden II's) made a lot of missions trivial.

Myrmidion with BS plate and two reppers is a beast. I think I used my old mission Myrmidion to rat in 0.0. I only fit one gun. :)

[Draegan]

I'm going to be on tonight around 6pm EST for a few hours.  Is anyone going to be on that I can look up for help fitting a Vexor out and giving me a quick rundown of fittings and such?  And maybe some help picking out good missions and ratting places?  Still lost on that one.

[WayAbvPar]

Join F13 and start spamming questions. I will be on after 6 PM PST, so if you haven't gotten any answers by then I can try to help =)

[Morat20]

I'm going to be on tonight around 6pm EST for a few hours.  Is anyone going to be on that I can look up for help fitting a Vexor out and giving me a quick rundown of fittings and such?  And maybe some help picking out good missions and ratting places?  Still lost on that one.

I'm going by like year old memory, but I think I fitted:

Lows: 800 or 1600mm plate, 1x Small or Med Armor Rep (can't recall), EANM II. (Is that all the lows?)
Meds: Cap rechargers? Something else? Drone Nav thingy maybe?
Highs: 2 small rails, 2 salvagers, 1 tractor.

Drones: 5xHob 2s, 5xHammer 2s.

Use should use EFT to figure out what you can fit before you buy it, though. Helps a lot.

[Fordel]

There are 4 low slots, so 2 Hardners. I usually went rat specific for the region I was in, but the broad specs are probably fine for missions.



I usually tossed a AB in one of the mid slots, overplayed Vexors are fucking *slow*... but that was well before warp to zero was put in.
I also usually used a Cap Battery II instead of a Cap Recharger, though I do not remember why anymore.


The top slots are just at least 1 tractor beam (again, the ship is SLOW), and at least 1 salv. Fill the rest with the biggest 'small' railguns you can fit, since 95% of the enemies you face will be other frigs. Really, you could put any kind of small gun in the highs, since the hybrid bonus is only for medium guns.

[Murgos]

Once you can fly hammer II's they will pop frigs faster than you can target them, I think I only carried one gun and that was just to stir up the nest and get aggro.

[Morat20]

There are 4 low slots, so 2 Hardners. I usually went rat specific for the region I was in, but the broad specs are probably fine for missions.

I honestly think I slotted in a cargo bay expander instead of a hardener (other than the EANM). I did have an AB, a cap recharger, and something else in the mids. I just fitted the one pop-gun, for the same reason as Murgos.

Once you had Hammer 2's, nothing lasted long enough to bother. You just need a gun to make them attack you, instead of your drones.

[Draegan]

Thanks to a bunch of you that helped last night.  Everyone's names were kinda different.

Anyway, I fitted a Vexor with a bunch of drones, 3 150mm small rails, 2 salvs, 2 drone nav comps and a 10mn burner.  Then put in two hardeners and the EACM(or whatever it was) and an armor rep.

Finally got my barings and did a few missions and killed some rats, and spent more time looting than playing.  Drones did almost all of the work.

I guess I have to faction grind for L2 missions now.

I'm training Science 4 right now so I can a tractor.  Then it's back to getting 2 of my T2 learning skills to 4 (I'm level 3 and 2 right now).  Then I can start working on other stuff, whatever that stuff may be.  Like I have all ths kills for a mini warp, but I don't have the mini warp skill yet.  I have to buy it.  But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

So I'm slowing getting it.  I think my mentality has changed slightly after I finished WOTLK and bought EQ2's last expansion and basically wasted my money.  I like the more casualness of it rather than moving forward constantly grinding something.  I kinda enjoyed the fact that I could stroll through this game rather than constantly be doing something.  I wonder if this makes sense.

Who knows if this mentality will stick after the weekend.  We'll see.  But I actually had fun last night.  Strange, never happened before in EVE.  I doubt it'll last though... who knows.

Can't wait till I get a chance to get into some PVP with you guys.  Can someone post here when recruitment opens up again?

[Murgos]

I guess I have to faction grind for L2 missions now.

Train Connections and Diplomacy when you get a chance.  A few hours training that will open up way more Agents then 10x that amount of time spent mission running (and help with other factions as well).

[Der Helm]

Is BoB dead yet ? I am tempted to resub... and drunk... so don't seduce me 

[MahrinSkel]

Is BoB dead yet ? I am tempted to resub... and drunk... so don't seduce me 

--Dave