[ASK] me about POSes

[Endie]

Ok, I've been asked specifically by one person to start this thread, and had a few questions by another, so I thought it would be best to answer questions here in case others were interested, and because others probably know answers I don't.

So, ask about POSes, running them, placing them, locatiopns etc itt...

[Viin]

What color options are there?

[Thrawn]

I've got a bunch of questions, just a matter of if I can remember what they were.... I'm just looking for rough answers of the top of someones head, not any in-depth research into pricing or anything like that.

I'm really liking the idea of setting up a "personal" small POS for mining in a quiet remote system since we have the good space to use.  Any suggestions of a region to look in to?  Or is it something that really isn't worth the time as we will probably have a BAT POS in a system suitable for it?  Guess I might be jumping the gun on this since we are still settling in. 

Also what kind of setup would you want for a simple small POS?  I did some searching and reading and came up with something like this.  Would it be worth the extra 150-200m isk for a small faction tower?  It actually also wouldn't be hard to throw a Moon Mining array and Silo on that as well.  But most of what I've read leads me to believe unless you have a HIGH quality moon, the moon mining really usually isn't worth the effort unless you have a nice infrastructure setup for it in regards to hauling and reactions.

It looks like a small POS wouldn't be that expensive to keep fueled and could go for a few weeks just off a load of fuel from a T1 hauler.  The only logistics issue would probably be moving out large quanities of ore.  Depending on the location of it of course, would it be possible to buy the services of the Rorqual when enough ore gets stored up?  By buy I mean something like, pay for the fuel, provide the cyno and give a 10% cut of the minerals to the corp same as the tax on ratting.

Just a few thoughts I guess, this idea appeals to me because it would be great to have this setup with an alt bringing in a steady supply of isk and being able to have the main account on the frontlines somewhere pvping as much as possible instead of having to head back to a ratting system to keep the funding up.  Sorry for the somewhat mess of a post, I just kept adding things as they popped into my head.

[Endie]

What color options are there?

As you well know Truse Sansha are the sexy gunmetal ones of choice.

[Endie]

I've got a bunch of questions, just a matter of if I can remember what they were.... I'm just looking for rough answers of the top of someones head, not any in-depth research into pricing or anything like that.

I'm really liking the idea of setting up a "personal" small POS for mining in a quiet remote system since we have the good space to use.  Any suggestions of a region to look in to?  Or is it something that really isn't worth the time as we will probably have a BAT POS in a system suitable for it?  Guess I might be jumping the gun on this since we are still settling in. 

Detorid is the best region for big mining ops, but if you are in the drone regions you have the system to yourself most likely, and anyone else is drone-ratting anyway, so you have the rocks to yourself.  HD- would be a good place: probably nice Crimson Ark there, and it isn't on the road to anywhere.

Also what kind of setup would you want for a simple small POS?  I did some searching and reading and came up with something like this.  Would it be worth the extra 150-200m isk for a small faction tower?  It actually also wouldn't be hard to throw a Moon Mining array and Silo on that as well.  But most of what I've read leads me to believe unless you have a HIGH quality moon, the moon mining really usually isn't worth the effort unless you have a nice infrastructure setup for it in regards to hauling and reactions.

Moon mining is, at the low end and as a sideline, probably too much hassle, certainly without a capital.  For a small POS in our space, throw warp disruptor, two or three guns, and stront it well.  You won't be attacked any time soon.

The big advantage of a faction tower isn't so much reduced fuel costs as reduced fuel frequency.  It does cost less, especially after sov 1, but that'll take a while to pay back.  But less fuel runs is a great thing, even with our easy logistics.

It looks like a small POS wouldn't be that expensive to keep fueled and could go for a few weeks just off a load of fuel from a T1 hauler.  The only logistics issue would probably be moving out large quanities of ore.  Depending on the location of it of course, would it be possible to buy the services of the Rorqual when enough ore gets stored up?  By buy I mean something like, pay for the fuel, provide the cyno and give a 10% cut of the minerals to the corp same as the tax on ratting.

Yep, you want ark and bistot, at 16m3 per unit, to be compressed then jumped out.  And an expanded itty IV or V will fuel a small faction for ages.

[Thrawn]

Thanks for the info Endie.

Once I get somewhat moved down this weekend I'll park in HD for a while and see how it is.  If it's pretty quiet on a weekend I should be good to go.

Of course then again I could just save myself the trouble and do it in a system we already have people ratting in with a POS like a normal person would probably do.....but where's the fun in that? 

[Endie]

Thanks for the info Endie.

Once I get somewhat moved down this weekend I'll park in HD for a while and see how it is.  If it's pretty quiet on a weekend I should be good to go.

Of course then again I could just save myself the trouble and do it in a system we already have people ratting in with a POS like a normal person would probably do.....but where's the fun in that? 

The disadvantage of mining to a tower that's not your own is that you are churning out a GSC every few minutes with a T2 hulk.

[bhodi]

The disadvantage of mining to a tower that's not your own is that you are churning out a GSC every few minutes with a T2 hulk.

Of course, if you've got access to one of the tabs in the CHA, you have a place to dump your ore. You still have to transport it back to a station, but I guess that's what the rorqual is for.

[Endie]

The disadvantage of mining to a tower that's not your own is that you are churning out a GSC every few minutes with a T2 hulk.

Of course, if you've got access to one of the tabs in the CHA, you have a place to dump your ore. You still have to transport it back to a station, but I guess that's what the rorqual is for.

This is true if you're the only miner using a tower.  The trouble is that the ore is by its nature unlabelled, and the alternative (cans) is limited by the fact that you would need hundreds of cans if you mined for a few hours straight.

And the rorq is great for miners.  It carries a lot (probably 130,000m3 after deducting space for fuel) but that is enhanced by the fact that your unmanageable 500,000m3 of ore (quite realistic, since I have 3.5 million m3 sitting at my POS right now, from four moderate sessions of mining) compresses down to 25,000m3, at which point you can just use an expanded iteron if needs be, with room to spare.  Although if your iteron is going to haul almost a third of a billion's worth of ore you better have a scout.