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Signe
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Reply #70 on: November 09, 2004, 06:31:39 PM

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I had the same problem...until I realized I was using winrar and the fileplanet site said specifically to use winzip.  Used winzip, and the zip wasn't corrupt.  Hopefully this helps.


I asked him what he used and he did the same thing as you because, as we all know, winzip is the spawn of satan.  It's fine now, thanks!

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Reply #71 on: November 09, 2004, 06:32:21 PM

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I had the same problem...until I realized I was using winrar and the fileplanet site said specifically to use winzip.  Used winzip, and the zip wasn't corrupt.  Hopefully this helps.


I asked him what he used and he did the same thing as you because, as we all know, winzip is the spawn of satan.  It's fine now, thanks!

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Reply #72 on: November 09, 2004, 08:05:45 PM

Okay, first day's impression:  This thing is going to kill off EQ2 (okay, maybe that's a stretch, it well destroy SOE's number of subscribers, though), and EQ2 really deserves to get killed by it.
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Reply #73 on: November 09, 2004, 08:08:31 PM

Tonight, the lag is horrible. Its like release day, tons of new players and lots of lag.

Lets hope they get this worked out before release.
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Reply #74 on: November 09, 2004, 08:44:59 PM

Same dance, different song.

It's like a ski-lift coming off the cables. I can't wait to watch.
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Reply #75 on: November 09, 2004, 10:01:06 PM

First Impression: The game is slow ...

And I was not even able to log in yet, the installer is running for 47 Minutes now and I am at roughly 25-30 % (Bastard won't even show hard  percentage values for the download pregression)

Good thing I have to work late today ...

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Reply #76 on: November 10, 2004, 05:04:44 AM

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Righ downloaded the game using my Fileplanet account.   The darn thing is corrupt.  I checked out some boards and quite a few people are beginning to complain about the same thing... all from Fileplanet downloads.

Quick note on this. If you are running Windows XP, you can simply use the Extraction Wizard. Right-click on the file and choose Extract All... That will work. No need to install WinZip, but if you already did, use it. By the way, if you install WinZip, it takes away the WinXP extraction option on the right-click menu and replaces it with its own. It is the spawn of satan and totally unneccessary. I prefer WinRAR.

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Reply #77 on: November 10, 2004, 05:41:12 AM

Additional note on Winzip: apparently you want to be using the absolute latest and greatest Winzip if you want to unzip using Winzip zippily. I had an older version (never needed to upgrade), I generated a corrupt file. Kicked the cat, google'd the problem, found a thread about it, downloaded the newer Winzip (I wonder how or if they actually make any money?), unzipped, and it installed fine.

And yea, I don't like their bit-torrent system. I learned more about it in this thread than in five years of hype. I'll be getting NetLimiter before launch to prevent others leeching more than I can leech from them.
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Reply #78 on: November 10, 2004, 05:46:29 AM

Thanks, Soukyan, he did something and is fine now.  I don't know if he bothered to download winzip, it would be very unlike him.  WinRar is much better, yes.  I even emailed Blizzard in a hissy fit and told them they some people have purchased products to avoid the insidious winzip.  No reply, but then, no one ever seems to reply to my hissy fit emails.  I'm still waiting for Mr. de Klerk to get back to me about that whole apartheid mess.

I abandoned my character on 6 last night, it was way too laggy and I actually crashed a few times.  I made a new character to play with Righ on some RP server because there was almost no population.  I've been on other rp servers and usually can't tell the difference much... but that general chat was jumping.  "Follow the light of your torch", they said when someone asked directions, "May the  Gods  be at your back".  It was a bit scary, but very quick.

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Reply #79 on: November 10, 2004, 05:51:34 AM

I started the Blizzard downloader last night. This morning I was at 388MB of 2.5GB and still had 1 day 10 hours left. I don't have a problem with the download because I'm at work, and won't be able to log in until Thursday night at the earliest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of BitTorrent to allow everyone's computer to act as a distribution point? Everyone in this thread appears to have turned off or limited the ability to upload.
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Reply #80 on: November 10, 2004, 06:28:43 AM

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I started the Blizzard downloader last night. This morning I was at 388MB of 2.5GB and still had 1 day 10 hours left. I don't have a problem with the download because I'm at work, and won't be able to log in until Thursday night at the earliest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of BitTorrent to allow everyone's computer to act as a distribution point? Everyone in this thread appears to have turned off or limited the ability to upload.


It is a common thing. Most people on P2P networks and a lot of people using BT will choose to leech and not share the wealth. Why? Selfishness, I guess. At least that's the case for me.

Why am I selfish about it? Because I pay my own hard-earned money for my bandwidth every month and I'd rather not have it sucked to shit by poorly written BT clients. Most of the time, the uploading totally crushes the shit out of my connection speed. It causes downstream ACKs to get dropped (bad bad bad) and in general pisses me off. I can run BT and not severely impede my connection performance thereby allowing me to actually multitask online (since I have broadband for this exact reason), but that requires me to go into leech mode and strictly and explicitly limit the upstream to others. Supposedly, this causes worse performance for the entire sharing network. I don't buy it because as soon as I limit my upstream, the downstream is screaming fast. Why? No more dropped packets due to ridiculous amounts of egress traffic. When BT client programmers can learn how to stop destroying the ingress on a connection, then I'll more heartily embrace their community "sharing" frame of mind. Until then, nobody gets a free ride on my buck. I still get the best speeds from NNTP, HTTP or FTP downloads. I would like for BT to be able to match or beat those, but some work still needs to be done on it. God, that was ranty. Bleh.

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Reply #81 on: November 10, 2004, 06:43:32 AM

Quote from: Soukyan
Quick note on this. If you are running Windows XP, you can simply use the Extraction Wizard. Right-click on the file and choose Extract All... That will work. No need to install WinZip, but if you already did, use it. By the way, if you install WinZip, it takes away the WinXP extraction option on the right-click menu and replaces it with its own. It is the spawn of satan and totally unneccessary. I prefer WinRAR.

Actually if you right-click drag and drop the archive, you'll see both options appear, though there's no point in using the built in Windows XP version since it's so fricking slow. I don't like the WinRAR UI so I stick with WinZip for Zipping and haven't had any problems with it in all my years of using it.
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Reply #82 on: November 10, 2004, 06:46:08 AM

The masses of people wanting to play the open beta are very confused by BT.  The forums are filled with complaints...   they don't know what to do.  They are threatening to cancel their orders because of it... we all know how well that works.  Even more people have subscribed to FP in an effort to download as quickly as possible without having to wait in a queue for the public servers or use the extremely complex and confusing BT. (OMG! What's a port?  I don't think my internet has ports!!!)  I read 7 posts on the VeryBad boards from people who actually upgraded to Founder's Club because they thought the download would be faster.

WoW's silly season is in full force and, as a result, FP is having the month of it's life.

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Reply #83 on: November 10, 2004, 06:48:02 AM

I started the Blizzard download last night at 6PM. I walked away and didn't check it until this morning, and it was at around 1.1 GB downloaded over a period of 14 hours. So, basically that's around 80MB an hour. Slow to be sure, but not intolerable for me, considering the size and the demand. By the time I get home tonight the thing should be either ready or damn close. Sadly, somebody already took Paelos in the Beta, which is odd considering I'm the only one I've ever heard of using the name, but se la viz. I'm Paylos in the Beta now.

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Reply #84 on: November 10, 2004, 06:52:26 AM

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I'm Paylos in the Beta now.


So I take it you sell shoes at deep, deep discounts?
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Reply #85 on: November 10, 2004, 06:55:23 AM

Quote from: Bloodrage
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of BitTorrent to allow everyone's computer to act as a distribution point? Everyone in this thread appears to have turned off or limited the ability to upload.

Besides the selfishness issue, there's the problem that most home users have asymmetric connections meaning their download speed is faster than their upload speed. This has been true since the days of 56K modems (before that modem connection speeds were symmetric). So for example, if you have a 384 Kbps ADSL line, that means your download speed is 384 Kbps but your upload speed is only 128 Kbps. And your upload speed "eats into" your download speed as a percentage of your upload speed rather than the actual upload bps. For example, if you are uploading and downloading on the above connection, at equilibrium you'll use half your download bandwidth for downloading and half your upload bandwidth for uploading or 192 Kbps downloading and 64 Kbps uploading which unfortunately doesn't add up to 384 Kbps anymore. So people using these peer-sharing programs are suddenly seeing their download speeds drop in half or more when they are forced to upload as well which freaks them out causing them to do whatever they can to cut off or slow down the upload rate (hence all the suggestions to use NetLimiter, which is a great program, BTW).
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Reply #86 on: November 10, 2004, 07:04:43 AM

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Quote from: Paelos
I'm Paylos in the Beta now.


So I take it you sell shoes at deep, deep discounts?


Ha, that got a chuckle from me this morning. Good show.

And yes I hate that iteration of my name.

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Reply #87 on: November 10, 2004, 07:22:34 AM

Okay,

I am very impressed with the opening intro to each race.  Nice that it uses a live in game camera.

Negative so far.. patching is via bittorrent also, which just sucks, though hopefully it will not be that big of a deal after the game is live.  Mainly if the patch is less than 80mb, as I would hazard a guess the net limiters would not bother for that small of a pull.

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Reply #88 on: November 10, 2004, 07:41:00 AM

I almost hesitate to post it, but I had no problems with downloading, patching or getting an account key.

Caveat: I torrented the client "in the wild" on Sunday or Saturday.

The first day (Monday), the signup page at Blizzard was hammered as expected, so I gave up.  I meant to sign up in the morning since I heard keys were limited, but I forgot.  Got home at like 9pm EST and signed up without a hitch. By 10pm I was installed, patched and playing.

It was fairly laggy as expected for a stress test, though the client handles it well.  One big issue seems to be that you get 30 second or more lag often while looting.  This got better and worse, but everyone seemed to be complaining about it.

I only crashed once, and it was while I wasn't doing anything interesting (running).  So it's definitely not perfect.  Guildwars was more stable on my machine.  But that could just be because my machine likes GW more or something.  Not enough data to say.

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Reply #89 on: November 10, 2004, 09:02:36 AM

Weird, once I got on last night, I experienced NO lag whatsoever.

I'm on Central Test 28 server, because my wife had already made a character there. Behold the mooly booty of Haemcow, Tauren Warrior. He even has his own theme song (sung to the tune of CatDog):

Quote
One fine day there was a moo and a stomp
a baby was born and it caused a little stir
No blue buzzard, no three eyed frog
Just a fat motherfucker named little HaemCow

HaemCow! HaemCow!
Alone in the world is the giant HaemCow!



I'll try to front page something encapsulating my experiences so far, including my rant above.

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Reply #90 on: November 10, 2004, 09:49:02 AM

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I'll try to front page something encapsulating my experiences so far, including my rant above.

Don't tease us. Just make up something and frontpage it. You can always fill it in with "facts" later.
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Reply #91 on: November 10, 2004, 10:48:18 AM

Quote from: Bloodrage

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of BitTorrent to allow everyone's computer to act as a distribution point? Everyone in this thread appears to have turned off or limited the ability to upload.


My saturated upstream was killing my down, so I Netlimited to give it 1Kb/s of breathing room.  That's really all you need to get the ACKs out.  Other than that, I was a sharin foo'.  I was going to say that the real problem with this setup is that bittorrent depends on people keeping their download clients open for a while, even after they have the file, and that this one exits out.  But on reflection, the download takes between 3 and 42 hours, so it really doesn't matter.

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Reply #92 on: November 10, 2004, 12:42:46 PM

Hm, I had to limit my upload to 16 kb/s to maximise my upload, managed to get up do 120 kb/s download an got the client in about 6 hours over night,

but the 1 hour it took to install is still somewhat astonishing ..., anyone got an idea what the reason for that might be ?

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Reply #93 on: November 10, 2004, 12:44:27 PM

Extraction of the client files perhaps? Or perhaps they're running checksums or CRC checks on their own files during the installation process? Not sure. I do know that earlier phases installed far quicker.

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Reply #94 on: November 10, 2004, 03:08:26 PM

Hmm, you're right. I was thinking that it had something to do with the Mac and PC files being bundled together, but that was also the case during the first Stress Test and I don't remember waiting 30 mins for the install program to finish.

Maybe someone just fudged up the new install files.

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Reply #95 on: November 11, 2004, 06:33:47 AM

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See my post above. As long as you're willing to wait in line you can get it off of FilePlanet in about 2 1/2 hours.


Hmmm..That was easy. I was just about to pass on this thing, but I'm downloading from FilePlanet right now at 282kb a sec with 2 1/2 hours to go. No wait time either -- This is on one of the non subscription servers.
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Reply #96 on: November 11, 2004, 01:21:09 PM

DL'd the client overnight from fileplanet.  It was apparantly going at 1 MB/s for most of the time, but I didn't really believe that.  It wasn't too much trouble overall.  

I really like the game so far- I'm not a fan of WC3, but WoW seems to have some of the old Blizzard pizazz & polish that I remember from their earlier games.  Lag was a bit of a problem (20 second loot time occasionally) but it wasn't game breaking.
I'm tempted to subscribe atm, but a lot remains to be seen.  The quest system and the atmosphere is very strong.

I agree that they didn't handle open beta very well, but I don't think that it'll really dent their potential subscriber base; many people have been waiting years for this game.
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Reply #97 on: November 11, 2004, 01:39:35 PM

Front paged my rant, for those who don't check the front page.

If the game weren't at least decent, the frustration would've made me never buy a Blizzard product ever.

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Reply #98 on: November 11, 2004, 03:13:54 PM

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If the game weren't at least decent, the frustration would've made me never buy a Blizzard product ever.


Yeah, it's decent. It's been running extremely well, looks cool, but it's not sparking enough interest for me to buy it --- I've played it before, I don't feel like playing it again. "Same game, different setting" and all that. I'm glad I got a chance to see it for myself though. Probably would have caved in and bought it on release day if I didn't.
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Reply #99 on: November 11, 2004, 04:00:42 PM

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but what the hay.  I seriously don't understand how you could write a 1,000 word diatribe railing against Blizzard for blowing a marketing op.  FOR BLOWING A MARKETING OP.  I mean, who cares?  I think the game is fun, if the hassle is too much for you, just wait until it's released like normal people do.  I just don't understand where the anger is coming from, judging by your last post in which you seem to indicate you like the game.  Just saying is all.
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Reply #100 on: November 11, 2004, 04:38:02 PM

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I'm glad I got a chance to see it for myself though. Probably would have caved in and bought it on release day if I didn't.


That about sums it up for me.  Best MMOG I've ever played except for City of Heroes, and I've only got time for one of these things so you lose, WoW.

Not a bad game at all, though.  In fact, pretty damned good.

ETA:  I did have fun kill stealing from a group of French jackasses this morning.  Trying to complete a quest where I have to kill a certain named bad guy.  I go to the spot where this group of French players are sitting around waiting for him to spawn.  I ask to join their group to finish the quest and they tell me to piss off.  Guy spawns, I jump on his ass before they do and get the kill.

It's good to be a jingoistic American dick sometimes.
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Reply #101 on: November 11, 2004, 04:49:48 PM

Tip: If you start ranting and pulling your hair out over a *beta*, step away from the keyboard and give your butthole some breathing room.
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Reply #102 on: November 11, 2004, 08:57:38 PM

Hint: Bandwidth is dirt cheap. You can pull a gigabit sustained for $35k/mo.

And as for WoW, there sure is a lot of shit in Guild Wars that looks like it's from WoW. It's like all the Blizzard people that worked on WoW quit a year into the project and rebuilt it (without the suck) as Guild Wars how they thought WoW should have been done.
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Reply #103 on: November 11, 2004, 10:18:54 PM

It must be somewhat of a blow to blizzards "coder ego" that they can't manage to match the free bit-torrent clients. I certainly can't see any reason for them to flood the upload channel, although I can see linking DL to UL as a leech prevention mechanism.

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Reply #104 on: November 12, 2004, 02:22:35 AM

Quote from: Krakrok
Hint: Bandwidth is dirt cheap. You can pull a gigabit sustained for $35k/mo.

And as for WoW, there sure is a lot of shit in Guild Wars that looks like it's from WoW. It's like all the Blizzard people that worked on WoW quit a year into the project and rebuilt it (without the suck) as Guild Wars how they thought WoW should have been done.



Are you saying you think GW is WoW w/o the suck?  Whoa.  Radical posish there pal.
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