Dr. Who

[palmer_eldritch]

That's all, carry on

[Ironwood]

Ok, that wasn't all that bad.

[Mattemeo]

Silly, fun and altogether fluffy, with plenty of Karen Gillan stealing the show.

[Surlyboi]

Cute. I'm hoping that dreadful intro is only on the American showings though. The whole, "I'm Amy and this magical man in a blue box came and changed my life" thing rankles mightily.

[Ironwood]

Eh ?

We certainly didn't get that.

[Khaldun]

It's strictly for the Americans. The BBC obviously thinks Americans are stupid and need some extra hand-holding in order to understand the show.

[Ironwood]

It's Harsh, but Fair.

[Tebonas]

Reminds me of the dumbed down Pratchett Covers for the American market. I see a trend here.

On topic, this episode, I didn't hate it.

[NowhereMan]

Enjoyed it as a simple and fun episode. Then I started thinking more about the Silence shit and total lack of sense and appreciated this infinitely more in comparison. Also I'm now compelled to list things that annoyed me about the opening 2 parter (spoilered for people who are fed up with moaning about it and, well, for spoilers):

[Slyfeind]

Only halfway through the pirates episode, but beforehand was the season opener, and I just had this thought.


Also whenever I type "spoiler" I can hear River Song saying it in my head.  Ugh.

[Ironwood]

Couple of things :  

1 - This arc ain't done yet.  Silence ain't done yet.  Alas.  Not going to go into my thoughts because lolmoffat, but the hatches in Amys mind are part of it.
2 - The whole story makes no sense.  He's become typecast for stories that don't make any sense.  Girl in the fireplace and Blink were fucking awesome episodes, but THINK about them :  They both have the 'Why ?' factor.  Great stories but, really....
3 - The Doctor actually shot someone with his screwdriver.  Seriously.  I've rewatched it now and he SHOOTS AN ALIEN WITH HIS SCREWDRIVER.  Fucking Clownshoes. (So, not helping the Silence.  Killing 'em.)


I agree the method of sorting it was cool, but again I have doubts about how in character it was.

But yeah, Pirates one was refreshing.  Both for the lighthearted and easygoing story and for the fact that it was a rehash of two Dr Who stories done before, both of which I loved.

Also.  Pirates.  You know.

[raydeen]

Well, after watching the first two episodes again, things made a little more sense. There was just a ton of shit going on in those first two episodes that I think I suffered a little mental overload. And now having watched the pirates episode, I'm kind of happy to see another little reoccurring element that apparently only deals with Amy (the woman in the walls). This alone will keep me watching just to see what the hell that's all about.

[palmer_eldritch]

I thought it was a traditional silly Doctor Who story which was rather good. The pirate captain was sensible casting. Having a heavyweight actor who's willing to take it seriously makes the silly aspects even more fun. However, I thought they should have saved Lily Cole for an episode which had aliens in it, because frankly she looks like an alien anyway.

[HaemishM]

It's strictly for the Americans. The BBC obviously thinks Americans are stupid and need some extra hand-holding in order to understand the show.

They added that piece of shit for the American version? That irks the shit out of me. That's Amy intro is one of the reasons I said they should just call it the New Adventures of Amelia Pond.

[palmer_eldritch]

Is this what the Americans see?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HYqcTXev0

[HaemishM]

Yep, that's it. Annoys the piss out of me.

The pirate episode was a decent enough episode. It didn't require mental gymnastics to reconcile and was well-acted.

[Khaldun]

I liked it well enough. I find it hilarious that those of you whose vaginas are forever sandy about plot holes seemed to have liked it.

[HaemishM]

On the list of plot-holey Dr. Who episodes, it's pretty low - but the list has gotten quite long.

[Simond]

Apart from the Amazing Disappearing Pirate, you mean?

[palmer_eldritch]

The basic storyline made sense and that's always been good enough for me. Even "making sense" means in sense in the context of Doctor Who, which has never been big on consistency. Most fans of the show will forgive a lot if an episode has a good monster and some jokes and a spooky atmosphere.

When episodes are bad it's not because there's some small plot hole or unanswered question, it's because the basic storyline was nonsensical or just awful. It really makes no difference to this story what happened to the missing pirate, even if it would have been interesting to know, but when a story climaxes with the Doctor returning from the void because if you wish hard enough then wishes can come true! then it's impossible to ignore.

[Khaldun]

You know, "coming back if you wish hard enough" made more story sense and was developed better than "the disappearing pirate". The latter, unless Moffat has a huge plan for 'time being rewritten' to be unveiled later, is just a script lapse, not that big a deal unless you're a sand-vagine. But you know, coming back from wishing? It was practically the central theme of that entire season. You may not like it, fine, but what the fuck, it's like complaining that there's a scene in "Peter Pan" where it turns out you can save fairies from death by believing in them hard enough. (or a protagonist who never grows up). Oh, I know, it's NOT DOCTOR WHO in some imaginary bullshit version you guys have in your minds where the Doctor is a hard SF character who used to be a bit character in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars books. See, I remember the character who always had a magic screwdriver and survived death a zillion times and tricked rubber-suited aliens with rubbish tricks and technobabble gimmicks. All of which I've always enjoyed, except for maybe in the worst depths of the John Nathan-Turner years.

[Tebonas]

In terms of Who gaffes, the amazing disappearing pirate doesn't even raise an eyebrow. Was he skulking in corner behind the water barrel? Was he the one pirate climbing up into the rigging in the storm scene (probably not, but couldn't be bothered to rewind)? I tell myself he likely did his job and kept out of the camera view or he was taken by the Holodoc offscreen for having the wound the boy gave him.

Both cases don't change the way the episode works.

[Ironwood]

Is this what the Americans see?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HYqcTXev0

Hmmm.  Ok.  I can see WHY they do that for American audiences if you remember that A - It's a Kids Show and B - Americans haven't really 'grown up' with it.   I can see how it would annoy the shit out of you every week though.

As to Khaldun :  Psycho.

 

[palmer_eldritch]

The basic storyline made sense and that's always been good enough for me. Even "making sense" means in sense in the context of Doctor Who, which has never been big on consistency. Most fans of the show will forgive a lot if an episode has a good monster and some jokes and a spooky atmosphere.

Oh, I know, it's NOT DOCTOR WHO in some imaginary bullshit version you guys have in your minds where the Doctor is a hard SF character who used to be a bit character in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars books.

I'll be back when I have more pics of Amy to post

[Ironwood]

Good Man.

[Arthur_Parker]

Ok I watched the first episode of series 6 but wasn't impressed, but just watched the first episode of series 5 it was good, Amy isn't bad looking so I'll see how far through 5 I get.

[HaemishM]

Is this what the Americans see?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HYqcTXev0

Hmmm.  Ok.  I can see WHY they do that for American audiences if you remember that A - It's a Kids Show and B - Americans haven't really 'grown up' with it. 

Actually, a lot of the current audience DID grow up with Doctor Who. But yeah, the BBC America audience might not have. Still don't think it's at all needed, but it appears BBC America is going balls deep on trying to promote the show to anyone who might remotely watch.

[Sky]

[JWIV]

All my +rep to Sky. 

[Khaldun]

You win the thread.

[Ironwood]

One of those was posted a while back.  Second one is new though.

Bet Matt took a couple of good pics.

[Ironwood]

steven_moffat 8:56am via Web

I've peaked! I've had a tweet that just says "Fuck off!" Clearly I win Twitter.

I'm just amazed it took this long.

 

[Simond]

Why, when did you post it? 

[Surlyboi]

That was me.

And yes, i grew up with the bloody Doctor, I don't need Amy's goddamn intro.

"he's a time lord"

"it doesn't mean he knows what he's doing"

[Khaldun]

Ok, come on, you guys have to liked that one. I thought it was pretty damn great.