Dr. Who

[Ratman_tf]

[Ironwood]

It was the TARDIS in the lodger episode.

[Simond]

The Silence's pseudo-TARDIS was in The Lodger last series - you know, the pilotless one that kept luring humans up as replacement pilots and then killing them because they weren't capable of actually being pilots.

Speculation: And now we have Amy's Schroedinger's fœtus, who is the daughter of two time-travellers and being gestated inside a time machine, and also has other wibbly-wobbly...stuff going on. So the Silence kidnap her and plan to use her as their pilot. Except she's dying, so they build a superadvanced life-support system and cram it into a space suit. And then cram her into the suit. And the plot goes from there.


E: VVV Why? It's all speculation based on stuff that's already aired (Amy is pregnant...ish, the kid has a picture of Amy + baby, we know 'normal' humans can't pilot a Silent-TARDIS, etc. etc.)

[Ironwood]

Some people are gonna be mad if you don't spoiler that.

I don't care, since it's clearly all shite, true or not.

 

 

[palmer_eldritch]

I thought the concept of the monsters was interesting but the story gave us more questions than answers and I don't know how confident I am that we'll ever get answers that make sense.

[Ironwood]

Really ?  Fair enough.  Confirming that would require me rewatching it.  Don't intend to.

I'm still stuck on how the hell they organised themselves against an enemy that makes you forget they exist.  Really.  I had major problems with that.

[NowhereMan]

I'm almost certain the Doctor's daughter regenerated way back when. They all left her dead and were :sadf: then after they left she regenerated and blasted off into space in what I had expected to be the launch of a new spin-off featuring a scantily clad hot girl/kids show (that's either/or not a combination).

The two parter really did need a few bits of the Doctor staring at walls going, "There are holes, holes in the plot and they're spreading!" That would have been a series reference I'd have appreciated I'm also wondering if the more gung ho, "Kill them all and let God decide!" Doctor is a deliberate thing for US audiences or just how Moffat wants the Doctor played. He seems to be trying to tread a line between the Doctor not liking guns and violence and still getting into firefights and fucking up his enemies in a manner I don't really think works. Gah, the story for this gets worse and worse as I notice things and think about it. It was at least entertaining enough at the time but I can never really shake the feeling that that's down more to the actors than the writing.

[Simond]

I like the idea that the Silence had always been there, manipulating human history. It made no sense that the Doctor had never noticed this before, especially if they have been there for thousands of years, but Dr Who always put a good story ahead of continuity and that's ok by me.

How do you know the Doc has never met them before? 

[Ironwood]

The Doctor was able to tell the Daleks were manipulating the Earth by looking at it's tech level for five and a half seconds.

Even if he didn't remember what was doing it, the fact of it being done should be canonically apparent.

Ahem.

[Tebonas]

Moffat fucks with continuity way too much. His "Doctor Who as Fairy Tale" approach kills internal consistency of plot and characters. While if you don't think about it Moffat Who works, he is way too ready to piss all over established lore for too little payback.

[Slyfeind]

Weird. I totally didn't make the connection between Amy's pregnancy, the time lord kid, and the kid in the space suit. I figured it was going to be another completely unrelated time lord, like maybe the Master or someone. Even the Doctor's Daughter.

I thought the Silence being foreshadowed last year was a kinda "Oh...really? Um...ok." moment.

I'm still stuck on how the hell they organised themselves against an enemy that makes you forget they exist.  Really.  I had major problems with that.

I don't think it was so much organized warfare, as looking at the TV, seeing someone who's going to destroy you, then turning around and seeing them right there. After long enough, the Silence have to either leave, or keep dieing off one by one.

Honestly, I freaking loved how that was done. I was all "OH MY GAWD" when I realized what he was doing, the likes of which I hadn't had in a long time.

Yet I'm hating the screwdriver as a pewpew device. And also hating the Doctor being ok hanging around with with a murderer.

[Ironwood]

I don't think you understood what I was saying.  I was talking about the Doctor and Co.

[palmer_eldritch]

And furthermore, in reply to Ironwood

[HaemishM]

Yeah, the more I think about this one, the more it annoys the shit out of me.

[Sky]

[Ironwood]

I don't think you've been erased from existence when there's a pile of your ashes on the ground.  I think you just got Burned.

/Michael Westen

[Simond]

I don't think you understood what I was saying.  I was talking about the Doctor and Co.

It's hardly the first time, though. See: Vervoids, Ice Warrior fleet, Racnoss, the whole "ending the Time War" thing...

[Khaldun]

The Doctor is demonstrably inconsistent about killing. He is certainly willing to allow UNIT or other associates to fight back when necessary. He himself will pull the plug on an adversary that is threatening genocide with no other solution presenting itself--I thought his anguish over the killing of the Daleks in "Journey's End" was more inconsistent than otherwise. (His anguish over the Time War's end is now clearly much more about the fact that he had to genocide his own people, including his family.) But in this case, I think it's also clear that he's looking to checkmate the Silence and force them to stay away from humanity rather than getting them all dead.

I did find the sonic screwdriver pew pew really oddly filmed--I assumed he was trying to disable the fake Tardis. But it was badly staged.

[Slyfeind]

I don't think you understood what I was saying.  I was talking about the Doctor and Co....

Ahh yeah, I didn't understand. Interesting point.

[Ironwood]

Honestly, try to imagine the Guy from Memento organising a resistance movement.  Yeah.

And it was never explained what the fuck.  I entirely expected them to 'cop out' with 'Timelords are immune' but they actually made it clear that it affected him too.  So, I repeat, what the fuck ?

Another Moffat that has some shine to it but built on a foundation of quicksand.  I almost wish the guy wrote novels so I could rip the cunt out of them too.

(Also, they moved too fast.  The whole 'cut away, cut back and they're gone' just didn't make any sense.  Sure, if the person affected is losing time, that's fine, but it shouldn't happen when there's multiple people in the room, all of whom are looking in different directions.)


This is officially my last Dr Who Post of the Season until the end.  I really, really can't rant anymore, it's tired even to my ears and, frankly, I'm actually a really positive guy.  There's just so much shite out there right now in books, TV and films.  I may still answer questions tho.

[Khaldun]

Wait, so you're still going to watch the show? Why bother, given the intensity of your feelings about it?

[Ironwood]

Because I've watched it all my life and, even now, there are some hidden gems of episodes.

I really don't wanna miss the Gaiman one !

[Sky]

Alternative fuel in Scotland is rage. Probably just refilling the tank to heat the house next winter.

[adjunct]

Because I've watched it all my life and, even now, there are some hidden gems of episodes.

I really don't wanna miss the Gaiman one !

I'm sure the Gaiman one will disappoint you as well.

[Ironwood]

I'm sure it will.

[Khaldun]

Ironwood is holding out for the repeal of Sturgeon's Law.

[Ironwood]

But I don't even like caviar...

[Surlyboi]

No one does, people just eat it to prove what posh gits they are.

[raydeen]

I have to ask, for those of you who watched the original broadcast on the BBC, how long was it and was it broken up over two episodes? On BBC America we had the first hour one week and roughly 45 minutes for the conclusion the next week. There just seemed to be pieces missing between the two episdoes (either that or I need to watch it again to fully grasp it). I've seen BBC:A edit the hell out of the new episodes before and was wondering if they did it again.

[Sky]

They took out a 15-minute scene of Amy Pond's tits.

[Ironwood]

 

[palmer_eldritch]

I have to ask, for those of you who watched the original broadcast on the BBC, how long was it and was it broken up over two episodes? On BBC America we had the first hour one week and roughly 45 minutes for the conclusion the next week. There just seemed to be pieces missing between the two episdoes (either that or I need to watch it again to fully grasp it). I've seen BBC:A edit the hell out of the new episodes before and was wondering if they did it again.

There were two episodes and both were 45 minutes without adverts. The opening of episode two has Amy being chased in a desert.

[Surlyboi]

Oh, like you wouldn't line up to see that.

[Ironwood]

Indeed.  Which is why I can assure you it wasn't in the BBC version I saw.

 

[HaemishM]

A 15-minute segment like that would erase all Moffat and Davies's sins combined.