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Reply #1225 on: May 13, 2013, 03:04:55 AM

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/8666521/BBC-stuffs-up-Doctor-Who-finale

What's to spoil ?  Moffat, wanky wanky, timey wimey, wanky wanky, Geronimo, Dr Who ?  DOCTOR WHO ??  DOCTOR WHOOOOOOO???, wanky, wanky, Stupid dumbass overarching fuck nonsense with Clara, no nudity like there fucking should be, tears, cheap set, explosion, Moffat wanky wanky.

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Reply #1226 on: May 18, 2013, 12:28:49 PM

Facepalm

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Reply #1227 on: May 18, 2013, 12:53:57 PM

I came here to post after watching that, then realised there are no words....


I heartily approve of the concept of someone playing the doctor being over 35 years old mind you.

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Reply #1228 on: May 18, 2013, 01:07:21 PM

Except He's not.

We're in Prequel territory now.

Fuck me.
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Reply #1229 on: May 18, 2013, 03:33:32 PM

I'm normally all in favour of ignoring continuity if it conflicts with telling a good story but they can't get all fan wanky on us and then ignore the fact that he's called the Doctor because he has a doctorate, probably in science. It's not about healing people. I mean, the fact that he is a scientist is an important part of his character, or it was. I know I shouldn't worry...

I liked the references to the old show as a long-time fan. No idea what casual viewers will have made of it all.

I liked the way Clara's costumes changed to match the period the various Doctors were on our TV screens. It makes no sense in the storyline but it was a really nice touch.

Richard E Grant was great, John Hurt will be great despite the terrible storyline he'll no doubt be placed in, Matt Smith was great.

There was a hint that River Song is finished with at last, yay.

I'm still not clear when the Doctor and River actually have a relationship. Is that still in his future?

The Sontaran is still funny every time.

The lizard lady actually genuinely treats her girlfriend as a servant when they're alone? That's kind of creepy.
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Reply #1230 on: May 18, 2013, 06:08:27 PM

I have not been liking the recent stuff that much but I actually did like this one rather a lot. Not sure how it ties into all the "fall of the Eleventh" wankery from the last season unless at the end of the 50th special the Doctor regenerates again.

I'm ok with Hurt being the secret Doctor.
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Reply #1231 on: May 18, 2013, 07:37:50 PM

This was one of the best season finales of the new series- at least it wasn't resolved by wishing or believing really hard.  Also, wasn't Clara's ending pretty much Rose's ending ("Bad Wolf") from the revived series 1? 

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Reply #1232 on: May 18, 2013, 07:51:43 PM


I liked the way Clara's costumes changed to match the period the various Doctors were on our TV screens. It makes no sense in the storyline but it was a really nice touch.


Why wouldn't it make sense? It wasn't the same Clara.

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Reply #1233 on: May 18, 2013, 10:21:50 PM

I liked it. But that's because I dig Clara and Strax so goddamn much.

The rest? I'm afraid Ironwwod may be right and we're approaching Valeyard territory.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #1234 on: May 18, 2013, 10:49:05 PM

I watched the season finale knowing nothing about it right after watching Nightmare in Silver. The cyberman episode was decent. I even liked the finale...

until...

What... the... fuck?

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Reply #1235 on: May 19, 2013, 03:45:12 AM

Strax is really great.

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Reply #1236 on: May 19, 2013, 04:36:08 AM


I liked the way Clara's costumes changed to match the period the various Doctors were on our TV screens. It makes no sense in the storyline but it was a really nice touch.


Why wouldn't it make sense? It wasn't the same Clara.

If she's on the planet Zygax in 15,000 AD why would she be wearing the type of clothes British people wore in the 1970s just because she's with a doctor who happened to be on our TV screens in the 1970s in real life? Or in 1980s clothes if she's with a 1980s Doctor? (And a matching hairstyle too). Sure it makes sense that her clothes would change but not that they always change to match the real life air dates of the TV shows:) But it was pretty cool anyway.
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Reply #1237 on: May 19, 2013, 06:01:33 AM

I have not been liking the recent stuff that much but I actually did like this one rather a lot. Not sure how it ties into all the "fall of the Eleventh" wankery from the last season unless at the end of the 50th special the Doctor regenerates again.
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Reply #1238 on: May 19, 2013, 07:26:49 AM

I just caught a video of some random 12 year old on points of view pointing out that things aren't really very scientific when a sun somehow sucking up memories is somehow defeated by a leaf somehow containing everything.

It was like Ironwood's bastard had been smuggled out to the home counties, and brainwashed into not swearing.

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Reply #1239 on: May 20, 2013, 05:51:23 PM

So I was thinking.. did we actually see the last of River Song?  I mean the Doctor still hasn't told her his name.  I think that's the secret she tells to him in the library before she dies.  Especially since the Doctor is currently mucking around in his own timeline.
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Reply #1240 on: May 20, 2013, 06:17:40 PM

I might be confused but I thought the doctor told river his name some time ago.

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Reply #1241 on: May 20, 2013, 06:47:13 PM

She read it from his baby carriage.  And she used it to open the tomb.

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Reply #1242 on: May 20, 2013, 07:24:38 PM

I might be confused but I thought the doctor told river his name some time ago.

That was during the Wedding of River Song.  He actually didn't tell her his name then.  He told her to look in his eye so that she would know it was the robot Doctor.
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Reply #1243 on: May 20, 2013, 08:34:05 PM

I gather all the interesting bits with the Doctor and River happened off camera in between stories.

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Reply #1244 on: May 21, 2013, 02:57:00 AM

Because they weren't really that interesting.


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Reply #1245 on: May 21, 2013, 06:40:15 AM

Because they weren't really that interesting.

They might have been if River hadn't ended up being Amy's goddamn Tardis-tarded daughter. Maybe. Or if they'd been written by someone not-Moffat. Maybe a turnip.

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Reply #1246 on: May 21, 2013, 06:49:38 AM

Maybe you should just watch The Time Travellers Wife and then The Lake House.

That'll cover it.

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Reply #1247 on: May 21, 2013, 09:39:06 AM

I stumbled across "Rose", the pilot of the new series, on a video site (Metacafe - probably a massive copyright infringement). Watched the first ten minutes and while it has its faults it's pretty good. Obviously I saw it at the time, but watching it now I was really struck by how much the show had changed.

One thing that comes across clearly is that they didn't make a show for Doctor Who fans. They made a show for young people who had never heard of Doctor Who but might be interested in a cool new series about a girl who goes on adventures with a mysterious stranger.

Despite being old and a Doctor Who fan myself, I really wish they'd go back to that philosophy.
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Reply #1248 on: May 21, 2013, 10:20:57 AM

I think it's fine to play around with some of the Doctor's mysteries, but yes, the show has become way, way, way too much about the Doctor. I suppose, Moffat aside, that this is not that surprising a result of killing off the Time Lords--it deprived the Doctor of superiors/peers who were not enemies, among whom he was just "one more". The "fairy tale" idea is also causing problems.

Something that was a bit more madcap, a bit less structured, a bit less portentous, would be a good direction for the post-50th. I don't think Moffat has that in him, so I hope they can identify a new showrunner somewhere further along.
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Reply #1249 on: May 31, 2013, 01:29:03 PM

Finally got around to watching this.

Fuck me what the fucking fuck was that all about? What a random collection of half-baked ideas strung together with no care whatsoever. It just felt like a checklist of "Things a Season Finale Should Have" thrown in haphazardly.

Scary eyeless toothy monsters, check.
Key allies from whole series collected together just because, check.
Ominous stormy war-ravaged planet, check.
Old adversary of some kind but not the Master Cybermen Daleks etc etc because we've already milked those tits drier than fucking sand, check.
Timey wimey wibbly wobbly time travel's always been possible in dreams gibber gibber I can write any old bollocks and it doesn't matter they still screen it not of sound mind and body bdoing ptui fnarr fnarr Moffatt, check!

Sigh, it doesn't surprise me any more, but it still disappoints me.


Anyway:
Richard E Grant was great, John Hurt will be great despite the terrible storyline he'll no doubt be placed in, Matt Smith was great.

This. And I agree with the rest of your post too palmer. Lots of great people in this show, being fucked up the arse by the dribbling cockstain of a writer. Interestingly I noticed while browsing the IMDB during a particularly spacktastic section of the finale that the Sontaran part is written by someone else, which is presumably why it's good.

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Reply #1250 on: May 31, 2013, 01:49:07 PM

Really ?

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Reply #1251 on: May 31, 2013, 02:32:23 PM

the Sontaran part is written by someone else, which is presumably why it's good.

Why would you hire one writer to do one character's dialogue?

That would explain it though.  why so serious?

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Reply #1252 on: May 31, 2013, 10:44:32 PM

Yup, and the Silurian too apparently. Link.

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Malcolm Hulke       (character "Silurians")

Robert Holmes       (character "Sontarans")

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Reply #1253 on: June 01, 2013, 05:15:39 AM

So, just crediting the people who created the character race, same way they credited Terry Nation for the Daleks.


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Reply #1254 on: June 01, 2013, 05:58:45 AM

Yeah, they're the old creators.

I thought that seemed odd.

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Reply #1255 on: June 01, 2013, 06:28:24 AM

Ahh OK I see, sorry my mistake. My brain was partially liquified from trying to pay attention to Moffatplot.

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Reply #1256 on: June 01, 2013, 03:53:42 PM

Matt Smith leaving the show at the end of the year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22741493

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Reply #1257 on: June 01, 2013, 04:15:57 PM

The Book he will probably write about how shittastic it was to be working for an idiot like Moffat will be epic.

The interesting thing about all this is that everyone agrees that he is good and no-one blames him for the trainwrecks of Dr. Who lately, but they agree its just that he is hamstrung by the idiot scripts he is handed.

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Reply #1258 on: June 01, 2013, 04:20:10 PM

So Rupert Grint as the new Doctor?   awesome, for real
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Reply #1259 on: June 01, 2013, 04:25:00 PM

How about Victoria Becham or Kim Kardashian?  why so serious?

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