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Reply #1050 on: June 28, 2012, 12:51:12 PM

David Warner and Liam Cunningham have been cast to appear in an episode together in the second half of the season.  Heart
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Reply #1051 on: August 02, 2012, 03:01:12 AM

The BBC have released a trailer for the next season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrEUBl2pacU
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Reply #1052 on: August 02, 2012, 04:26:14 PM

I see we'll be pandering to American audiences again this season.

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Reply #1053 on: August 03, 2012, 02:32:00 AM

It's where the money is.

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Reply #1054 on: August 29, 2012, 04:24:32 PM

Buzz on Asylum of the Daleks is very high- it is being compared to the series 1 Dalek episode (the only non-shitty Dalek episode in the revived series so far).  Can't wait for Saturday. 

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Reply #1055 on: September 01, 2012, 12:38:19 PM

Well, it wasn't.

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Reply #1056 on: September 01, 2012, 04:05:42 PM

I thought Asylum of the Daleks had some nice creepy moments.  There were a few scenes where the Daleks stopped being pathetic and actually became menacing again.

I liked the Rory and Amy story awww.

The plot made no sense but one point in particular
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Reply #1057 on: September 01, 2012, 07:17:06 PM

Look, there is no easy continuity-nerd way to make sense of the Parliament of Daleks and all that. The fact that an unimaginative race of Stalinist-Nazi robots have come up with creative ways to survive being time-locked and all that should eventually trigger a major crisis in the Doctor if  they want to take it all seriously. Imagine if you had to blow up Tom Paine, Thomas Jefferson, William Butler Yeats, Marilyn Monroe and the Dalai Lama in order to be sure that Robo-Hitler would never again menace mankind and then in twenty years were told by President Romney that you had to go kill Robo-Hitler again and this time use a gun that fired living baby flesh at him. You might be a bit sad, eh?

So much as I might like the series to allow the Doctor to actually WIN AND KILL THE FUCKING DALEKS and come up with something else, ok, they're not going to do that. If they're not going to do that, this episode is about the best you could ask for. I thought it was pretty good, all things considered, given that I honestly would have at least one extra orgasm in my miserable middle-aged body before dying  if I thought "There will never be a Dalek episode again because they're as fucking played out as the Horta or something like that."

Cue Ironwood's jihad against Moffat, I suppose. Plot holes, whatever. Tell me that's not better than 90% of any episode of this series featuring Daleks ever and I'll tell you that you're full of shit and should go watch whatever ass-laden videotape the BBC has managed to scratch out of their careless asses to prove it. The only things marginally more tolerable featuring these particular adversaries is "Dalek" (fucking great), "Remembrance of the Daleks" (not too bad), "Dalek Invasion of Earth" (oh, let's be nice to the old fuckers who used to make our television shows when we were wee folk and not such middle-aged meanies as we are now). And after that the abyss and we're just arguing about which circle of hell we're in. This episode felt to me like a rather comely mutant that managed to crawl out of the pit and gesture feebly at the sky above--rather thematically apt, eh wot?


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Reply #1058 on: September 01, 2012, 07:30:22 PM


Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #1059 on: September 01, 2012, 07:59:24 PM

You know, she would have made a great companion....like Dalek + K-9 + hot woman. nerdgasm
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Reply #1060 on: September 01, 2012, 08:15:40 PM

She just might.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #1061 on: September 02, 2012, 10:00:50 AM

Indeed.  awesome, for real
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Reply #1062 on: September 03, 2012, 07:21:50 AM

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Reply #1063 on: September 03, 2012, 10:43:29 PM

I can only presume she was the project of some Asylum Daleks, because the regular Dalek supremacists wouldn't do that in my mind.
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Reply #1064 on: September 03, 2012, 11:19:43 PM

Consistency is nice but continuity porn madness is the bane of long running shows (and comics - ask Spider-Man.)

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Reply #1065 on: September 04, 2012, 02:25:32 AM

OK, wasn't bad. As with all of the new Doctor Who's it had ups and downs.

Rory is still the best thing in it and the Rory/Amy interaction isn't bad. The chemistry between them isn't 100% convincing and mostly their storyline is simple emotional button pushing... but it does that pretty well.

The Daleks are just there to sell Dalek toys. They're never going away, the BBC makes a metric fuckton off of those sales. Plot holes and inconsistencies are ubiquitous and irrelevant. If they're going to really bother you then you probably shouldn't watch this series tbh.

I still get slightly annoyed with the BBC's production values. I mean they clearly spent a LOT of money on this episode and yet it still looks like ~50% of the sets are made out of old condoms and cardboard tubes. They really need to hire some good lighting engineers too. Just throwing in multiple lights with fluorescent coloured gels on them doesn't make it sci-fi, it makes it fucking dated and cheap looking.

I'd give that episode a 7/10. Maybe a -1 for actually having anyone say "Doctor Who" repeatedly. That's just wrong. He's just The Doctor. Get it right Moffatt. Twat. But then a +1 for Oswin being hot.

Oh and has there ever been any mention before of
Or was that just a random plot device?

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Reply #1066 on: September 04, 2012, 04:02:03 AM


I'd give that episode a 7/10. Maybe a -1 for actually having anyone say "Doctor Who" repeatedly. That's just wrong. He's just The Doctor. Get it right Moffatt. Twat. But then a +1 for Oswin being hot.


But you know why that was.  Moffat already did that with his blue fat chap and everyone hmmed and hawwed and tutted about it, so he thought he'd do a nice FUCK YOU to his detractors by doing it longer and louder and, well, more obnoxious.

He's really not a very balanced guy.


Also, you can all vent all over Oswin when she comes back.

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Reply #1067 on: September 04, 2012, 04:25:17 AM

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Reply #1068 on: September 08, 2012, 07:03:25 PM

I liked episode 2, but one thing bothered me...


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Reply #1069 on: September 08, 2012, 07:09:41 PM

I liked episode 2, but one thing bothered me...


Yes, this jumped out at me as well.

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Reply #1070 on: September 08, 2012, 07:37:13 PM

I'm gonna have to think on it but...

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Reply #1071 on: September 08, 2012, 08:20:35 PM

I'm gonna have to think on it but...



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Reply #1072 on: September 09, 2012, 12:29:03 PM


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Reply #1073 on: September 09, 2012, 12:52:22 PM

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Reply #1074 on: September 09, 2012, 02:44:36 PM

Ah, just rewatched and realized I missed that this was Earth in the 23rd Century that was firing the rockets. I thought it was just the Indian branch of UNIT in the 21st Century.
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Reply #1075 on: September 10, 2012, 09:27:48 AM

Just watched Asylum this weekend. Well, it wasn't the worst thing they've ever put out. The whole "TWIST!" was telegraphed a mile away and was almost clever. Bonus points for Oswin being so goddamn hot.

Maybe a -1 for actually having anyone say "Doctor Who" repeatedly. That's just wrong. He's just The Doctor. Get it right Moffatt. Twat.

This however is really getting on my tits. It wasn't clever when he did it last season, it's even less clever now. I liked it better when the Doctor was just randomly bumping into Daleks in the timeline, instead of trying to put a linear story together about Dalek plots that go over multiple seasons.

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Reply #1076 on: September 11, 2012, 04:48:46 PM

I liked episode 2, but one thing bothered me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzmnPs64K74&feature=context-cha
(NWS due to music).

The Doctor is less pacifistic than he pretends to be.

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Reply #1077 on: September 11, 2012, 06:14:54 PM

And generally, towards the end of an incarnation, when he's realized how badly having companions tends to work out for *them*, he has an episode or two where he's just a dick in an era of history where making sure the right people die is what he's supposed to do.  It's early in his incarnations when he's pacifistic and tries to make sure everyone gets a happy ending.

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Reply #1078 on: September 11, 2012, 07:32:47 PM

I don't think that works if you mean old Who as well as nuWho.

1st Doctor: very big dick at the beginning, slightly more like the guy we know at the end.
2nd Doctor: pretty nice guy throughout.
3rd Doctor: bigger dick early, has a Garden of Gethsemane moment in "Planet of Spiders", pays his price
4th Doctor: moments of dickish weirdness scattered throughout, dick quotient rises near the end mostly because the actor is feeling more like a dick rather than the character being meant to be so
5th Doctor: making up for being a dick, dies trying to not be a dick to anyone, just to save a companion
6th Doctor: let's not talk about this, but you know, less of a dick at the end, though not by much
7th Doctor: colder and more manipulative over time--so he fits the generalization
8th Doctor: who knows
9th Doctor: heartsick and f'ed up, but gets his happy ending towards the end of his run rather than the beginning (Doctor Dances)
10th Doctor: yes--he's the guy for whom this description was written--that's his character arc, progressing towards more and more arrogance and then a big fall before the end
11th Doctor: not sure what the total arc is yet


Actually, I agree with some fan sites--the 11th Doctor's current season looks like it *does* have a story: what happens when the Doctor isn't (in)famous anymore? And like others, I have a sneaking suspicion that this will turn out to be a bad thing, not a good thing.

Maybe we'll even get a "River Song was lying all along, and trying to get the Doctor to believe that he's the problem on behalf of some enemy"--which could save the character from some of her Mary Sueism.
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Reply #1079 on: September 11, 2012, 07:37:29 PM

It's been a long time since Old Who, and I wasn't the most regular watcher, so I concede that my memories of those old stories may have been re-ordered to match up with the arc of the 10th Doctor.

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Reply #1080 on: September 12, 2012, 09:12:38 AM

This was cold of the doctor and, in contrast to the examples in the video, not in the heat of the moment. Usually he is no hypocrite who is completely fine with slaughtering bad people by manipulating circumstances so that they die without him getting his hands dirty. That way lies the Valeyard. Maybe that is the point though, so I won't judge yet.
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Reply #1081 on: September 12, 2012, 11:41:26 AM

The show didn't acknowledge that the Doctor's behaviour was out of character and I doubt it will although we'll see. In the past, when he's done "bad things", it's been a big deal. He sent Rose to teach half-human Doctor how to behave after that Doctor killed Daleks, who are meant the be the most evilest things ever.

But I don't mind because I thought it had lots of enjoyable silliness, eg
  • Rory's Dad
  • Amy pretending to be a Queen
  • That big game hunter
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Reply #1082 on: September 12, 2012, 11:50:24 AM

The show didn't acknowledge that the Doctor's behaviour was out of character and I doubt it will although we'll see. In the past, when he's done "bad things", it's been a big deal. He sent Rose to teach half-human Doctor how to behave after that Doctor killed Daleks, who are meant the be the most evilest things ever.

But I don't mind because I thought it had lots of enjoyable silliness, eg
  • Rory's Dad
  • Amy pretending to be a Queen
  • That big game hunter

Although I wasn't crazy about this episode, these are EXACTLY the bits that I enjoyed the most.  I kind of like this doctor and I'm not totally upset that the doctor might get a bit darker in the future, if that's the plan.  I think change is good in this case.  Wouldn't want the doctor to get stale like he has from time to time in the past.   

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Reply #1083 on: September 13, 2012, 12:55:15 AM

But I don't mind because I thought it had lots of enjoyable silliness, eg
  • Rory's Dad
  • Amy pretending to be a Queen
  • That big game hunter

Agreed. Mark Williams (Rory's dad) was great, although I did keep expecting him to shout "IN AN OLE! WITH A OWL!"...


And I'm going to harp on about this because it's really pissing me off - enough with the fucking coloured lighting! They are ruining the sets with this retarded amateurish overuse of blue, green and pink lights. Fuck you BBC, hire an experienced lighting engineer from the film industry, not some fucking media studies graduate from a tech college.

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Reply #1084 on: September 13, 2012, 01:07:09 AM

According to the Wiki:

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The Fourth Doctor murdered Mehendri Solon by injecting cyanide gas into his laboratory. (DW: The Brain of Morbius)

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The Doctor gives Solon five minutes to disconnect the brain as he goes and checks on Sarah. However, Solon locks them in the secret laboratory instead and begins to repair Morbius. Using materials from the secret laboratory, the Doctor makes cyanogen gas, which he then pipes through a vent that leads to the operating room above.
Solon has finished the operation, but the gas chokes him and he dies.

Once before in 10 regenerations. And even then he gave an ultimatum beforehand. I call the murder in the last episode highly unlike him.
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