Quantum of Solace

[K9]

so.... first?

There's a (new?) trailer up at 007.com, it touches a little more on the plot than the previous one. It may not be totally new, but it was new for me.

Anyway, this is pretty much the only film on my radar. The trailer looks awesome, and it'll be interesting to see a bond movie that's a direct continuation. I seem to remember two were connected by Bonds wedding to Moneypenny, but I might be wrong. On that note... whatever happened to Moneypenny :(

My only concern is the turnaround time. Considering they concluded filming a while back that's pretty short downtime between films. I just hope they didn't rush to capitalise on the success of the previous one.

Whoever gets to cast bond girls has possibly one of the best jobs in the world too.

[Evildrider]

That new trailer looks pretty good.  I really liked the change to the Bond series that came with Casino Royale.

[Merusk]

That looks even better than Casino Royale, and I thought that was a great film.  I just continue to worry that the studio execs will decide to push it back to "Fill in a summer scheduling hole left by the writers strike" the way Star Trek and Harry Potter were. 

[Ironwood]

He never married Moneypenny.

You're thinking of the Lazenby one where the bird got killed in the car accident at the end.

It was an awful lot like Casino Royale in that regard.

[Samwise]

I'm stoked.  Daniel Craig is an awesome Bond.

[stray]

Daniel Craig is pretty great in general. Seen most of the stuff he's done now. I feel bad, cuz I talked shit the first time casting was announced (you gotta admit, Clive Owen would have been good too).

[schild]

Clive Owen still would've been better - not just "good too." Craig just happened to slip into the role better than expected and better than the other bonds since Connery (which isn't exactly QUITE THE TASK)

[Evildrider]

I like Clive Owen.. but man he just doesn't say Bond to me.  That movie would have also been completely different if it would have been Owen over Craig.

Owen is alot better at playing scummier roles like in Shoot'em Up or Sin City.

[schild]

I like Clive Owen.. but man he just doesn't say Bond to me.  That movie would have also been completely different if it would have been Owen over Craig.

Owen is alot better at playing scummier roles like in Shoot'em Up or Sin City.

He's simply a lot more versatile than Craig.

Croupier, Children of Men, Closer, Elizabeth, Bourne Identity, etc.

The guy is just good. At everything. He's on the short list with surviving reasonably young actors that are fucking awesome with Johnny Depp. Craig is not. Craig is a dapper meathead. Though I'd like to see if he can turn out I, Lucifer without making me choke on vomit.

[Engels]

agreed that Owen is more versatile, but I'm with others. Craig is a better Bond.

[HaemishM]

Craig is a great Bond. Owen would have been good too, but hey, if you want to see Owen in an action movie, see Shoot 'Em Up NOW.

[DraconianOne]

He's simply a lot more versatile than Craig.

Croupier, Children of Men, Closer, Elizabeth, Bourne Identity, etc.

The guy is just good. At everything. He's on the short list with surviving reasonably young actors that are fucking awesome with Johnny Depp. Craig is not. Craig is a dapper meathead. Though I'd like to see if he can turn out I, Lucifer without making me choke on vomit.

What?

Owen wasn't in Elizabeth. Craig was.

I'm also guessing that you never saw "Our Friends in the North" or a lot of the TV stuff that Craig has done over the years. Owen has been in some diverse films and I like him a lot but of words used to describe his performances, versatile is not one of them. He plays every role in pretty much exactly the same way. Has done ever since he was in Chancer years ago. 

EDIT: I understand now: Owen was in Golden Age and not the first one.

[Abagadro]

I forgot that Craig was the psycho Jesuit in Elizabeth.

[Velorath]

Theme song from Alicia Keys and Jack White.  I like Alicia Keys, but this song is kinda crappy.  As far as Bond themes go, it's down there with that fucking Madonna one.  Even Thunderball puts them to shame.

[stray]

I disagree. I think it's pretty cool and different.

[Ironwood]

Theme song from Alicia Keys and Jack White.  I like Alicia Keys, but this song is kinda crappy.  As far as Bond themes go, it's down there with that fucking Madonna one.  Even Thunderball puts them to shame.

You're awesome.  I now owe you a drink, reason being that's my take EXACTLY.

Some people shouldn't take the fucking gig if they don't know what a Bond Song should sound like.  Madonna should have had her organs removed for hers.

I thought the Garbage one was fucking awesome.  That's how you do it and make it 'updated'.

[Jeff Kelly]

'The World is not enough' is one of the best bonds songs of all time at least in my opinion and easily on par with 'Goldfinger' and 'Diamonds are forever' as far as Bond theme songs are concerned. Madonna's 'Die another day' was a travesty in comparison. Hell let Dame Shirley Bassey do a fourth one already.

But I also thought that the movie 'the world is not enough' was one of the best bond installments so I'm biased in that way.

[K9]

I thought the Garbage one was fucking awesome.  That's how you do it and make it 'updated'.

Agreed, although I think Live and Let Die was the all time best.

I also try and pretend that all the Brosnan bond films after Goldeneye didn't happen.

[HaemishM]

I also try and pretend that all the Brosnan bond films after Goldeneye didn't happen.

That would be a shame. Tomorrow Never Dies (with Michelle Yeoh) was a very good Bond flick. It's only after that one that the Brosnan Bond movies started to suck it.

[eldaec]

The problem with this film will be that they are still using the same shitty screenwriters they've been using since The World is Not Enough.

Craig will be awesome.
The supporting cast will be awesome.
The special effects will be great.
I'm optimistic about the director.

But the script will spiral into an incoherent mess about half way through.

It is possible that the death spiral will start much earlier because of the need to carry forward angst from the last film. These guys cannot write angst.

Or dialogue.


Casino Royale is a great Bond film so long as you walk out right where the car flips over - and try to avoid listening to the painful exposition around how to play poker.


The only English language film that Purvis and Wade wrote before Bond 19 was Plunkett and Macleane. A film so bad you had repressed all memory of it until just now.

[Big Gulp]

Owen wasn't in Elizabeth. Craig was.

He might have meant Elizabeth: The Golden Age.  He played Sir Walter Raleigh in that one.  Of course, he might want people to forget that he ever appeared in that movie.

[Megrim]

The problem with this film will be that they are still using the same shitty screenwriters they've been using since The World is Not Enough.

Craig will be awesome.
The supporting cast will be awesome.
The special effects will be great.
I'm optimistic about the director.

But the script will spiral into an incoherent mess about half way through.

It is possible that the death spiral will start much earlier because of the need to carry forward angst from the last film. These guys cannot write angst.

Or dialogue.


Casino Royale is a great Bond film so long as you walk out right where the car flips over - and try to avoid listening to the painful exposition around how to play poker.


The only English language film that Purvis and Wade wrote before Bond 19 was Plunkett and Macleane. A film so bad you had repressed all memory of it until just now.

Wait, what? Plunkett and Macleane was bad? Get the fuck out.

[eldaec]

You are still repressing.

[Megrim]

Oh yea. I'm repressing allright. I'm repressing the massive boner in my pants that i get when someone mentions Plunkett and Macleane. 

[eldaec]

/rerail

Oh, look at that, I was right.

Where do I pick up my fee?

[Megrim]

From the end of my (still) massive boner. 

[K9]

Saw this last night. It's a solid action movie, although it could have done with another 20 minutes or so of plot evenly distributed throughout the film. What plot there is is barely enough to link the action segments together. Overall I was entertained, if not wholly satisfied.

Also:

[Nerf]

Do you have any idea how hard it's going to be avoid clicking that spoiler tag for 9 fucking days?
Ass.

[K9]

This film hasn't come out in the US yet?

[Merusk]

This film hasn't come out in the US yet?

No. The 14th.

Fucker.

[K9]

This film hasn't come out in the US yet?

No. The 14th.

Fucker.

In that case, welcome the the rest of the world for pretty much every other film ever released ever. 

[Endie]

I loved the last Bond movie (other than the Lord Of The Rings-style seven endings), but this one bored me stiff.  I started picking holes in the continuity and physics, which is always a bad sign.


I got excited when they found the Fremen reservoirs, but there was no wormsign so that came to nothing.  I had hopes that "JamesBond" would turn out to be a killing word.

[DraconianOne]

Spoilery stuff

Well, I was entertained but I'd like to find the editor and cure him of his amphetamine addiction and then beat him bloody senseless with his Avid manual. Unlike others on this board, I liked the Bourne films and I liked the shooting style and quick cut editing.  I thought it fit in well with the style and tone of the movies.  But not in this film which has budget and has style and has Aston fucking Martins. You can afford to dwell on the cars and the stunts and the women more when you've got money and you don't need to do the handheld shaky cam stuff at all.  It put me right off.  As did the constant juxtaposition of action sequence to some other sequence of little to no consequence (the horse race and some other such scene).  Fuck you - I want to watch Bond kicking arse not some poncey shots of people in a crowd watching people riding horses.  On the other hand, the Tosca scene almost made up for it.  It should have been longer.

As for the plot, I disagree with Endie but not enough to say anything about it here.

[Endie]

Unlike others on this board, I liked the Bourne films and I liked the shooting style and quick cut editing.  I thought it fit in well with the style and tone of the movies.  But not in this film which has budget and has style and has Aston fucking Martins.

Well I liked the Bourne movies too, and found the shooting style there enjoyable.  However, in this film, I found, for the first time in a movie, that the cinematography was so confusingly shaky that I had no real idea what was happening for periods of several seconds at a time.  The whole rooftop chase set-piece was so pathetically obviously a sub-par repetition of the work of the very same technical team's work in the Bourne Ultimatum that I utterly lost interest, knowing exactly how it would finish (no kudos: it was drearily clear).  I also kinda wanted this grittier, more realistic Bond to tire a little by the end of what seemed like a double marathon (for the viewer, at least) of such effort.

I agree, too, that I found the horse-race intercut with the chase unnecessary, although I could see the Bond tropes it was trying to refer to (esp. View To A Kill?).

I kept looking for a parallel or the elucidation of emotional responses, or even a jarring juxtaposition in these "contrasts" but, for all that the Tosca scene was probably the best in the movie (and its end was a very nice, knowing nod to the end of Tosca), there was nothing of the beauty of, say, the fight at the end of State of Grace or even the well-done execution of Guy Ritchie's rather less subtle hare-coursing/chase scene in Snatch.

[IainC]

I thought the Tosca scene was a by-the-numbers and somewhat botched attempt to recreate the Diva scene from 5th Element.