Heroes

[HaemishM]

That would be funny if I wasn't so afraid they'd ACTUALLY do it.

[NowhereMan]

I just can't wait to see whether or not Sylar is confined to his new personality or might possibly start to reassert himself and we could see the Return of Sylar! OMG that would be so awesome, like Sylar coming back from people thinking he was dead, that'd be so sweet cause everyone would be like, "No way! Sylar isn't dead! This is totally rocking my world and I am shocked to the core of my being!" And then he'd probably like think about helping the good guys cause he'd have all this baggage of being Nathan, and the new bad guy would be really evil and mysterious, but then at the last moment he'd do something totally evil like kill Clare (cause she's a hot young girl)! Then everyone would have to band together to defeat Sylar (maybe even the new villain would realise he's actually pretty shit and Sylar's the real threat) and Sylar could try to take over the world!

When they just rerun the plot from and cliffhangers from series one and two again, I totally called it.

[voodoolily]

Aunt Petrelli reminds me of this:

[eldaec]

Finally watched the finale. Meh is right. Just when the good shit is about to happen (Sylar/Peter/Nathan fight), the door closes and we get to see nothing. Fuck that.

Meh is right, but that is far better than the previous finales, which were godawful.

They clearly don't have the budget for a Peter/Sylar fight, so the closed door was as much better approach than just using shitty effects.

Plus, they really benefited from Peter and Hiro not being so overpowered that they could have won at any time if they were not fucking retarded.



Also, the finale had something very few episodes have, non-supers. One of the biggest problems Heroes has is too many permanent super heroes on cast, they don't seem to be able to afford any non-supers to interact with (We only really had Noah, his wife, and pantomime Danko for this season?). When everyone is super, nobody is, and the whole show degenerates into soap opera.
 

[HaemishM]

My problem is that you have all these supers running around but refuse to let them use their goddamn powers. Maybe it's budget or just lack of creativity, but a show about people with powers not using the powers is like a show about cops where no one gets shot, arrested, or beat up.

[Cyrrex]

Meh is right, but that is far better than the previous finales, which were godawful.

I may be alone in this, but I thought the season one finale was completely fucking awesome.

[HaemishM]

You are not alone. Season 1 finale is how it should be done, only with more crash bang pow.

[Cyrrex]

Yeah, and that applies to everything about season 1, not just the finale.  Even the basic production values (light, sound, camera) has gone to shit.

[Venkman]

Having finally caught up with the season, I definitely feel like they're back on the right track. Feels like they hastily assembled the finale, but that's just an extension (and finalization) of moving the chess pieces back around so they can end up where they started, with the Company, Peter's conflicted over-poweredness, HRG being HRG, etc and so on.

I'm curious if they'll try a doomsday scenario again or evolve the show into something beyond Mutants vs Humans. I think that's what's needed at this point. They either need to have some sort of global war between various mutants of different nationalities, or some aliens need to show up to threaten Earth, leaving the mutants the only things that can effectively fight them. I'm getting bored with the Buffy vs Military vibe they've dragged along for so long.

[eldaec]

Yeah, and that applies to everything about season 1, not just the finale.  Even the basic production values (light, sound, camera) has gone to shit.

You all spent most of season 1 complaining about filler episodes.

I'm curious if they'll try a doomsday scenario again or evolve the show into something beyond Mutants vs Humans. I think that's what's needed at this point. They either need to have some sort of global war between various mutants of different nationalities, or some aliens need to show up to threaten Earth, leaving the mutants the only things that can effectively fight them.

Anything where they use super powers to be actual heroes, rather than ...

Nearly blow up New York in a manner that could have been trivially avoided by just moving out to the desert, if only Peter wasn't retarded.
Nearly release some stupid virus by being retarded.
Nearly create an evil army of super mutants by being retarded.
Or create a stupid government initiative that nearly lets Sylar take over the world by being retarded.


However, the Sylar/Nathan thing makes me think we're in for a couple of episodes which use up all the interesting ideas that Sylar/Nathan has to offer and then someone finding a way to release Sylar by being retarded.

[HaemishM]

I think someone being retarded is the only thing we can count on reliably in a Heroes season.

[CmdrSlack]

Also, we can count on Ali Larter being brought back to life...again.

[Grimwell]

So, in one of the quiet moments on my commute home I started thinking about this show for no particular reason. For that very same reason I suddenly remembered the entire Irish girl storyline -- she's trapped in a future that wont happen. Which frustrated me as a loose end that was created for no good reason to begin with.

Then a bunch of other loose ends sprung to mind and the ship started taking on water.

I think I want to like the idea of what Heroes could be much more than the reality of what it is.

Which does not bode well for my tolerance for stupid in the next season. More killings and trimmings of the plots will help. More stupid will put me on more game time.

[Merusk]

Also, we can count on Ali Larter being brought back to life...again.

So you missed the stinger at the end of the finale then?  She didn't die as ice woman, she became water woman.

[Venkman]

Yea. Which I hated. Which is largely why I only watched the 2-minute synopsus' for 2/3 of the season. It's obvious the storylines are running right into actor's contracts. It's forcing the same sort of retconning we see in comic books, just for very different reasons. The end result is the same: I can't get into it.

[Grimwell]

I could get into Ali Larter 

[Nevermore]

Everyone else has on the show.

 

[CmdrSlack]

Also, we can count on Ali Larter being brought back to life...again.

So you missed the stinger at the end of the finale then?  She didn't die as ice woman, she became water woman.

Just wait till she's steam woman. I recall the water woman stuff, s'why I'm going with steam woman.

[Nevermore]

Doooomed!

[Reg]

Hah yup I bet next season is the last for Heroes. On the other hand it'd be awesome if Bryan Fuller got to do a new Star Trek series based on the new movie.

[Samwise]

It seems like Bryan Fuller's destiny is to be shuffled from dying show to dying show, staying with each one just long enough to prolong its death spasms.

[Morfiend]

It seems like Bryan Fuller's destiny is to be shuffled from dying show to dying show, staying with each one just long enough to prolong its death spasms.

Thats what I was thinking. Although, didnt he do Heroes from the start?

[Samwise]

It seems like Bryan Fuller's destiny is to be shuffled from dying show to dying show, staying with each one just long enough to prolong its death spasms.

Thats what I was thinking. Although, didnt he do Heroes from the start?

Yeah, but he was then shuffled off just as it got its feet under it.  At this point I expect the same to happen to the Trek series if he gets involved with that; he'll write the first half a season, it'll be good, he'll get whisked off to do something else, and it'll be back to Nazi space lizards.

[Nevermore]

He was there at the beginning of Heroes and also created Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls and Dead Like Me.  His fate is to write quirky shows that don't get a big enough audience.

Edit: Oh, and he already has Trek experience since he wrote for both Deep Space Nine and Voyager.

[Reg]

I wonder what Voyager episodes he wrote? I can't think of any off-hand that were as good as what I'd expect from him and I'm sure I've seen them all.

[Nevermore]

If only there was some resource people could check to find out these things.

There are 172 episodes of Voyager.  Fuller was involved with 81 of those as either writer, producer or story editor.

[fuser]

If only there was some resource people could check to find out these things.

There are 172 episodes of Voyager.  Fuller was involved with 81 of those as either writer, producer or story editor.

Bryan Fuller (ST: episode list), I'm rewatching DS9 at the moment, and honestly "The Darkness and the Light" wasn't anything to write home about.

[Reg]

Well if he was that involved with Voyager perhaps he isn't the right choice to head up a new Star Trek series.

[eldaec]

Apart from Pushing Daisies, I've never really understood why everyone is so gay for Bryan Fuller.

Admittedly, in the case of Heroes, *any* new writer is cause for celebration.

[Reg]

I liked his Dead Like Me a lot too.

[Venkman]

Edit: Oh, and he already has Trek experience since he wrote for both Deep Space Nine and Voyager.

Oh thank God.

Is the Trek series confirmed or just strongly assumed? Want. But only if it's based on the movie, told as the movie was, uses most/all of the actors from it, and left without the middle management from the home office.

[Lucas]

Fourth season starts tonight.

[Cyrrex]

It does.  Two hour episode.  I'll watch it.  Sounds like they are trying to send the whole thing back to start, but I'm dubious.

[Samwise]

Yeah, I think I'll be watching House instead and catching this on Hulu.  The last season failed to rekindle my excitement.

[Signe]

House for me, too.  Heroes is on On Demand so I'll watch it tomorrow or something.  I never know what the heck is going on, but I still seem to watch.