Heroes

[HaemishM]

Wow, what a fuckbag full of stupid.

Peter is now UltraMan from the Legion of Super-Heroes. Great. Ok, at least he's no longer the whiney I Win button. Sylar is becoming Magneto, which is really the only part of the season worth a damn. Claire is SO FUCKING ANNOYING - I just want her gone, but now she gets to sit around and text message with Unknown. I'd rather they bring back West. HRG is going to play both sides against the middle. Parkman is the vengeful prophet - STOP THE PROPHETIC SHIT. It's old and very boring now.

And fucking Daphne is dead. Fuck you guys. You got one more episode and you don't even deserve that. Hiro needs to get his power back ASAP or this show will finish its swirl down the toilet.

[Nevermore]

The part that pisses me off the most is they kill off the interesting characters: Daphne, Eden, Candice, Usutu (vision Usutu doesn't count), D.L. and even Adam was at least interesting.  Yet they won't get rid of that horrible fucking useless Ali Larter.

[voodoolily]

fwiw, I never thought Daphne was particularly interesting.

[Samwise]

I liked Daphne and am annoyed that she's gone.  And in such a stupid pointless way, too.  Parkman is a fucking bag of fail for seeing her standing in the spot where she was supposed to die and not getting her the fuck out of there RIGHT AWAY.

Like Peter getting his power back but having it majorly nerfed.  I honestly did not see his surprise escape toward the end coming.

Hiro's doing another quest to regain his powers?  I guess they couldn't think of anything better to do than what they did in the first season.  Yawn.  Maybe when he gets it back he'll have lost the time travel part.

[Cyrrex]

Do we know for a fact that Daphne is gone?  There were a lot of bullets flying around, but I only saw her get definitively hit in the right shoulder.  I was waiting to see something final, but I didn't see it.  Parkman didn't even react in a way that made me believe that she was gone for good (though that could have just been poor direction).  It was a poor sendoff for a generally intersting character, which is why I don't believe it.  I could even see Hiro going back and saving her when he gets his powers back.

At least when Adam died, you were like "yep - that motherfucker's deader than shit".

[Velorath]

Do we know for a fact that Daphne is gone? 

My first thought after watching that scene is that she isn't.  Would be about the third or fourth time they've done the "here's a drawing of the future where this person gets killed, oh wait they were just shot/got brought back to life/it was someone else" thing.  Parkman and the others don't have any time to examine the body, Nathan's narration doesn't specifically mention her death, and the scene ends fairly abruptly.  Everything about it feels like a fake-out to me.

[HaemishM]

It probably is a fake-out. But it's a ham-fisted fake-out because yes, the direction is SHITTY and you can't really tell what the fuck went on.

[AngryGumball]

I thought Daphne was shot in the shoulder then moments later she was shot a couple times in the back or gut to finish her off.


Are we at the point where that executive producer was fired now in terms of the episodes being shot. The big news a couple months back? Heck I can't even think of what the producer's name was.

[Nevermore]

She was hit at least three times, once in the shoulder and twice more in the back.  Yeah, they could bring her back anyway if that's what the want to do.  In a show like this, they could bring back anyone if that's what they really want.  Either way, the whole thing was just poorly done.  The directing and/or acting was just awful.  Parkman, Hiro and Ando didn't look like they cared very much that Daphne just died (or appeared to die).  Nathan didn't look like he cared very much that his grand plan ended up with the deaths of at least a half dozen Americans (both soldiers and 'detainees').  Noah's 'I'll do anything to protect my family' has become stale and the precog-du-jour has grown beyond stale.

In hindsight, they should have stuck with the original idea of having each season tell new story with all, or nearly all, new characters because I'm just not liking anyone on that show outside of Hiro and possibly Sylar (sort of) anymore.

[Velorath]

Are we at the point where that executive producer was fired now in terms of the episodes being shot. The big news a couple months back? Heck I can't even think of what the producer's name was.

Hard to say what was already planned or written when Loeb and Alexander were let go.  In an interview with Bryan Fuller regarding his return to Heroes (starting with episode 19, and the episode that just aired was 15 I believe) he mentions that Loeb and Alexander were involved in setting up the Fugitives arc.  He also says he thought episodes 14-16 were strong, but that 17 and 18 "gets a little dense in the middle in terms of the mythology", so with his return he's shifting things back to being more character focused.

[HaemishM]

Are we at the point where that executive producer was fired now in terms of the episodes being shot. The big news a couple months back? Heck I can't even think of what the producer's name was.

You're thinking of Jeph Loeb, and yes, the two episodes we've seen so far are without his influence.

EDIT: Or not ^

[Cyrrex]

I don't know if that is entirely true or not, but I do know for certain that I saw Loeb's name in the credits.

[Tale]

Heroes is just series 2-4 Prison Break now.

[Tebonas]

Its not THAT bad and still salvageable. I say wait till we are the point in the episodes where Loeb is fired.

[Samprimary]

They had to off daphne. her powers were too good for the plot.

no jokez. had nothing to do with her character, who would have been excellent for the season otherwise. she was just cursed by having a too-good power.

so they had to shoot her until she was so completely irrevocably dead that she wouldn't show up alive for at least three or four more episodes.

[Merusk]

All these superpowers and nobody's come up with ressurection or zombification yet.  Sadness.

[Venkman]

All these superpowers and nobody's come up with ressurection or zombification yet.  Sadness.

According to the webcomic, the Haitian's father could do the latter, but only because his son negated some mindcontrol thingy he had.

[NowhereMan]

Just watched the two new episodes. Sucks that Daphne died (maybe) and Hiro needs to get some decent powers even if he doesn't get his old ones back. The only other point I'm worried about is Mini-Sylar, I'm not sure where they're going to go with it but unless it winds up with Sylar callously sacrificing him in a few episodes time then I don't think I'll like it. Otherwise I like that they're going back to a simple plot and hopefully they'll get some strongly defined characters rather than having people doing random things and switching sides at the drop of a hat. It feels like a reboot and I think they've got a shot at making it an entertaining show again.

[Tale]

I think I'm going to stop watching this. It's crap.

[Jain Zar]

If Daphne's dead I am probably gone.  Especially since Sylar is apparently never able to die and we just can't leave PROPHECY alone.

Heroes is like the nerdy version of ER.  They kill off everyone I like usually in retarded ways and do the same shit over and over again till we all stop fucking caring unless hating the writers counts as caring.

I would also note that Jeph Loeb is responsible (long with Quesada, lord of the fat heads and marriage haters of America) for taking a giant shit on the Ultimate Marvel universe that is apparenly so bad, they have decided in true shit meme style that because we like reboots they are gonna put a reboot in our reboot..

[Reg]

I really don't think Daphne's dead. Matt just wasn't upset enough for that to have happened.

[Arinon]

They’ve killed Eden, Simone, Candice, Elle, and now Daphne but we still have to wade through the horrible Claire and Ali Larter’s characters.  There is no justice.  Couple more episodes without some good shit and I'm out.

[Triforcer]

All these superpowers and nobody's come up with ressurection or zombification yet.  Sadness.

Oh god no...please don't encourage them.  That's the last thing we need, weekly comic book deaths. 

[Jeff Kelly]

They’ve killed Eden, Simone, Candice, Elle, and now Daphne but we still have to wade through the horrible Claire and Ali Larter’s characters.  There is no justice.  Couple more episodes without some good shit and I'm out.

It's especially ironic because both Hayden and Ali desperately want to leave Heroes because they both cannot stand the horrible writing anymore.

[HaemishM]

I say let them leave. Their characters suck the most.

[Lakov_Sanite]

If Daphne's dead I am probably gone.  Especially since Sylar is apparently never able to die and we just can't leave PROPHECY alone.

Heroes is like the nerdy version of ER.  They kill off everyone I like usually in retarded ways and do the same shit over and over again till we all stop fucking caring unless hating the writers counts as caring.

I would also note that Jeph Loeb is responsible (long with Quesada, lord of the fat heads and marriage haters of America) for taking a giant shit on the Ultimate Marvel universe that is apparenly so bad, they have decided in true shit meme style that because we like reboots they are gonna put a reboot in our reboot..

For a moment I thought you meant Reboot was coimg back to tv somehow and I was happy.....then I re-read and felt disapointment, it would have been a better show than heroes.

[HaemishM]

Why is it this season has to rely on characters acting like COMPLETE DUMBASSES? There were way too many times during last night's episodes when I said to the characters, "What did you THINK was going to happen? REALLY?" The big ones were of course Claire and Nathan. Did they really think their actions weren't going to end up blowing up in their faces? The same goes for HRG. Did he really think he could keep it all together?

The Ando/Hiro subplot was pretty throwaway and resolved way too quickly. I was hoping hot Indian chick might have a power besides turning guys on that would explain their presence there, but really, it was just a waste. How did they even get their if their assets have been frozen and credit cards targeted? I mean, Hiro has plenty of money in Japan, but he was in the US so how did he access it?

The only positive parts were that I liked Aqualad and the Sylar interactions with the kid.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Fleshing Sylar out to be calculating, ruthless are FAR better than last seasons misunderstood 'hunger'-addict explanation of the brain eating. At least it's believable to think that while he's a power-hungry psycho he is a very calculating person in his evilness.

I thought nathan was dumb as well/ wasn't peter supposed to be the naive one?, i think niki/jessice/whatever crossed a line by killing a guy like that, whether is was bad writing or acting or whatever it seemed like the mans death had no impact whatsoever to her. Imprisioned illegally or not, icing the guy seemed out of place to me.

[HaemishM]

Not to me. After all, she iced William Katt's character and there have been no consequences for that. She felt a little bad (bad enough for some "I just killed a guy" sex) but then got over it and got down to scheming. They are trying to portray as her the amoral survivor type, but they are doing a real shitty job of it. Hell, Niki from first season was a much better, more fleshed out role.

[Tale]

It's liberating to read the spoilers and not bother with the actual show.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I guess I do see where they want to go with the whole cold ice-queen angle with larters character but honestly either it's the writing or her acting but everything about her just seems off to me, she doesn't seem like she acts like any real person would given the circumstance regardless of prior actions like killing the greatest american hero.

[HaemishM]

I guess I do see where they want to go with the whole cold ice-queen angle with larters character but honestly either it's the writing or her acting

Why can't it be both?

[raydeen]

I'm to the point where the only reason I tune in is for Hiro and Ando. Everything else is just so much inane, obtuse, confusing bullshit. There's just nothing cohesive about the story anymore. It's not like there's anything overly complicated going on, it just feels like they're making it up as they're shooting the scenes. No thought behind any of it. Was season 1 a complete fluke?

Edit for spelling on pain meds and beer.

[Samwise]

It's pretty clear at this point that this show is good at setting up shiny new characters, but no good at creating a plot that makes use of well-established ones.  Season 1 was all setup, and it was good.  And since then, the introduction of new characters with the accompanying slow filling in of backstory has usually been interesting.  Everything else has been very meh.

They should definitely have gone with their original plan of starting over with new heroes each season.

[NowhereMan]

I actually kind of enjoy Sylar's plot so far. Mostly because it involves him killing faceless government troops. In fact throw in a bit more of that, not just random rocking vans with noises, and I'd watch the episodes for it.