New Google Browser

[Trippy]

Google can now create their own protocols and APIs for working around the stateless and asynchronous nature of HTTP and they don't have to worry about  convincing other browser vendors to incorporate them up front since they can just do it for Chrome and the rest (except for MS, of course) will follow.

Why is their a need to work around stateless and asynchronous nature of HTTP?  Browser apps can do state and complex transactions and the difficulty in implementation is not dependent on it being done on a client or server or language.

Cause the workarounds right now (e.g. AJAX or Flash) are a fucking pain in the ass.

[tazelbain]

I am happy with the speed and features of FF3.  Sure if I was still on FF2 I'd be look for something else.  There is merit to the idea of sandboxing the tabs.  I hope we see it in FF in the next year.

[Rasix]

Any mouse gestures? They are hard-coded into my DNA now.

Mouse gestures? What kind of dorkery is this?

[Trippy]

Creepy...
http://gizmodo.com/5044871/google-chrome-eula-claims-ownership-of-everything-you-create-using-chrome-from-blog-posts-to-emails

Article is wrong. Google is not claiming that ownership of copyrights are being transferred over to them using Chrome. They are saying you are granting them a perpetual non-exclusive license to do whatever the fuck they want with your (copyrighted) content.

[Trippy]

I don't see the big deal.  And I really don't get those of you saying how fast it is, most everything already loads so fast I can't even notice it.  I also really don't want to have to code for another fucking browser at work, I've been able to ignore stuff like Opera because it's so unpopular and works well enough but a Google browser would easily take up as much market share as firefox.

If you code for Safari then things should be fine in Chrome (for now, until they diverge).

[Trippy]

I don't see the big deal.  And I really don't get those of you saying how fast it is, most everything already loads so fast I can't even notice it.

If you have a fast enough computer you might not notice how crappy Geko, the rendering engine in Firefox, is. There's a reason why nobody wants to use Geko for handheld devices and are using Opera and WebKit instead.

[Trippy]

Would it be possible to change the little new buttons in "unread posts since last visit" to open in new windows instead of the current one.

No.

Also: use your middle mouse button to open links in new tabs.

[Zetleft]

I don't see the big deal.  And I really don't get those of you saying how fast it is, most everything already loads so fast I can't even notice it.

If you have a fast enough computer you might not notice how crappy Geko, the rendering engine in Firefox, is. There's a reason why nobody wants to use Geko for handheld devices and are using Opera and WebKit instead.

Thank god I have a crappy computer then :)

Speed on this is alot better then with Firefox for me.  I'm happy, could use a few more features but I think I'm gonna stick with it. 

[WayAbvPar]

Any mouse gestures? They are hard-coded into my DNA now.

Mouse gestures? What kind of dorkery is this?

Magic wand!. It is kind of amazing how fast I was using the basic ones with no conscious thought.

[Mrbloodworth]

I don't see the big deal.  And I really don't get those of you saying how fast it is, most everything already loads so fast I can't even notice it.

If you have a fast enough computer you might not notice how crappy Geko, the rendering engine in Firefox, is. There's a reason why nobody wants to use Geko for handheld devices and are using Opera and WebKit instead.

Have you looked at the "About" yet?

[Trippy]

I don't see the big deal.  And I really don't get those of you saying how fast it is, most everything already loads so fast I can't even notice it.

If you have a fast enough computer you might not notice how crappy Geko, the rendering engine in Firefox, is. There's a reason why nobody wants to use Geko for handheld devices and are using Opera and WebKit instead.

Have you looked at the "About" yet?

For which? Not on my PC right now so I can't look at Chrome's.

[Mrbloodworth]

[Soln]

so when's the all appliance Android planned for?  Clearly this is a proto-desktop.

[Trippy]

It's not using Geko. That's the User Agent string. The "KHTML, like Geko" is in there for historical reasons (Konqueror, which was the first to use WebKit had that). Safari has that same "KHTML, like Geko" in it's user agent string as well.

[Mrbloodworth]

Yeah i know. I just found it odd. Also, songbird uses webkit.

[naum]

Yeah i know. I just found it odd. Also, songbird uses webkit.

WebKit is same engine that powers Safari browser…

[schild]

Google's Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, "in order to keep things simple for our users." Ward admits that sometimes "this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product" and says that Google is "working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."

It's worth noting that the EULA is largely unenforceable because the source code of Chrome is distributed under an open license. Users could simply download the source code, compile it themselves, and use it without having to agree to Google's EULA. The terms of the BSD license under which the source code is distributed are highly permissive and impose virtually no conditions or requirements on end users.

<-- called it.

[Mrbloodworth]

Yeah i know. I just found it odd. Also, songbird uses webkit.

WebKit is same engine that powers Safari browser…

Yeah, i was telling a coworker, "its like Firefox and Safari had a child".

[HaemishM]

Safari is the shittiest browser on the face of the planet. I'm glad to see Chrome did something worthwhile with both it and Firefox.

[Wasted]

I just read the Google Chrome comic

I found it rather creepy

[Murgos]

I just read the Google Chrome comic

I found it rather creepy

Yeah, it's totally got that passive-aggressive airplane crash instruction pamphlet thing going on.

[Trippy]

http://www.scottmccloud.com/store/books/uc.html

[Trippy]

Google's Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, "in order to keep things simple for our users." Ward admits that sometimes "this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product" and says that Google is "working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."

It's worth noting that the EULA is largely unenforceable because the source code of Chrome is distributed under an open license. Users could simply download the source code, compile it themselves, and use it without having to agree to Google's EULA. The terms of the BSD license under which the source code is distributed are highly permissive and impose virtually no conditions or requirements on end users.

<-- called it.

Which begs the question which other Google services have that clause in them.

[Quinton]

If you have a fast enough computer you might not notice how crappy Geko, the rendering engine in Firefox, is. There's a reason why nobody wants to use Geko for handheld devices and are using Opera and WebKit instead.

More importantl than speed is memory footprint, and webkit has been a winner there, too.  A new mobile firefox project kicked off recently, so maybe there's some hope of a firefox derived mobile browser that can run in < 32MB of ram someday...

[Pennilenko]

Its fricken Awesome for a beta release. Since its done by Google I am expecting them to fix some of the little ergonomic issues for non beta release.

[Mrbloodworth]

Chrome Vs. IE 8

"Google Chrome and Internet Explorer 8 herald a new, resource-intensive era in Web browsing, one sure to shift our conception of acceptable minimum system requirements, InfoWorld's Randall Kennedy concludes in his head-to-head comparison of the recently announced multi-process, tabbed browsers. Whereas single-process browsers such as Firefox aim for lean, efficient browsing experiences, Chrome and IE 8 are all about delivering a robust platform for reliably running multiple Web apps in a tabbed format in answer to the Web's evolving needs.

[Engels]

the EULA language has already been changed:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-chrome-license-agreement/

[Salamok]

My 1st thought was great just what the world needs another friggen browser.  Then I saw that it was based on webkit which the next version of dreamweaver will also be using for the designer view.  So my next thought was wow we will actually have access to an accurate WYSIWYG web editor.

[Samwise]

http://www.scottmccloud.com/store/books/uc.html

HA!  I was just about to post that.   

[Samwise]

I installed the browser and the lack of speed scrolling is pissing me off no end.  It turns out I use it a LOT on forums to wade through posts.  Going back to FF.

[Soln]

Stop thinking of it as a browser and imagine or model your use with it as a desktop.  The first page stores (ripped off of Opera) favorites -- desktop icons, etc.  Clearly this is the path of intent.  Everything else (scrolling etc) will be added as optional preferences.

Edit: removed rant

[Lantyssa]

Its fricken Awesome for a beta release. Since its done by Google I am expecting them to fix some of the little ergonomic issues for non beta release.

Since it's Google, when exactly do you expect it to leave beta, though?

[JoeTF]

Doh, no extensions and configuration options (also installing in documents and settings; no way to export bookmarks - so when you switch, you're in for life...), horribly, horribly slow on PC with old harddisks (as in, "totally unusable" slow). The only good thing aboutis nice, shiny icon.

[Signe]

I do like the shiny icon.  Anyway, I'll wait until they beef it up a bit.  It has too many thingies missing that I use a lot.

[Yegolev]

Meh.  Looks nice but I miss NoScript.  Feels like I'm not wearing pants on the Internet.