ISK Making Alternatives

[Ninja Sportz]

standard HP laptop with non of the upgrades and an nvidia gefore go 6150 gfx card....

[Faust]

Yes, everything is on minimum, although I may not have brackets off.  It does ok for covops work, as mentioned, but even when I go to starmap if bogs down and entering a cloud its going to a slide show.  I think the GPU gets over-hot as a new cooler tends to help a bit.  This thing isn't intended for real gaming and a new machine is a ways out on the budget.  Not too shocking, I've been limping along with this for quite a while now.  Plan is to keep training and eventually I'll be there.

[Predator Irl]

Surely there must be a better way to make the cash than ratting? I mean all the guys with the huge wallets, hardly spend their time on Eve ratting? (or suicide ganking).

[Amarr HM]

I just sold a character for 3.2 billion that I have trained up since December if you deduct all the GTCs and skillbooks implants etc. I'd say I got about 2 billion return so thats 250 mil a month profit.

[Slayerik]

Surely there must be a better way to make the cash than ratting? I mean all the guys with the huge wallets, hardly spend their time on Eve ratting? (or suicide ganking).

They they have dispo moons, do huge trading, or are corp thieves.

[ajax34i]

Or have made the money long ago and are just not spending it.  T2 BPO's, trading with the NPC's back in 2003-4.

Actually, it's just a matter of time.  A lot of people are looking for ways to make quick cash because they have such big PVP expenses, but if you stop PVP'ing and your expenses go away, the cash kinda comes to you.  Spend a month ratting / mining your way to 1 billion (doesn't even require good rats), then spend another month turning 10% daily profit on it, and you can find yourself with 15 billion in your wallet within 2 months.

I betcha, let someone loose in Empire with 500 mil out of the corp wallet, and in a couple months the corp would be set, with all fees paid and 100% PVP reimbursement policy for all members.

[Slayerik]

Or have made the money long ago and are just not spending it.  T2 BPO's, trading with the NPC's back in 2003-4.

Actually, it's just a matter of time.  A lot of people are looking for ways to make quick cash because they have such big PVP expenses, but if you stop PVP'ing and your expenses go away, the cash kinda comes to you.  Spend a month ratting / mining your way to 1 billion (doesn't even require good rats), then spend another month turning 10% daily profit on it, and you can find yourself with 15 billion in your wallet within 2 months.

I betcha, let someone loose in Empire with 500 mil out of the corp wallet, and in a couple months the corp would be set, with all fees paid and 100% PVP reimbursement policy for all members.

Making 10% on  billion is not always as easy as you are thinking. Trading is a bitch. Lots of hours, risk of me, low profit margins on most things (high margins come with inherit risks).

[Endie]

Yep, I once did the day-trading thing.  I made a lot of money when turning 50 mill into 150 mill, but once the stakes got higher it didn't scale as well.  It's easy to prey on the inefficiencies of the market in certain, specific areas, but those inefficiencies disappear quickly once you are exploiting them.  It works well for what you can turn around inside a few hours, especially on high volumes but competitors, especially those using trading bots, will quickly catch up.

The big killing I made was on Zydrine two patches ago.  Boy, did I get lucky on my timing there, though.

[Amarr HM]

I spent a few weeks buying cloaks and missile launchers then hauling them to Promethia and selling for 50-100% markup it was a slow enough market at the time, I was only having to lower my prices once a day. The profit would work out about 100 mil for every 200 mil spent but they would sell slow I would haul 200-300 mil a week and turn about 150 mil in the same time.

[Predator Irl]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not stuck for cash, its just all tied up in the market. Ive about 2 billion in the market that just seems to let the money trickle in and as mention before, can be difficult when people start undercutting you. I have a lot of stuff that hasn't sold in 6 months, or sells in very small quantities.

Ive noticed some items (like implants) for sale in 0.0 for less than half the market price in empire, I don't know how this can be. I thought they were not made by players?

[Endie]

Ive noticed some items (like implants) for sale in 0.0 for less than half the market price in empire, I don't know how this can be. I thought they were not made by players?

Buy them and reprice them.  Instant profit.  And no, they are sold by players after buying them from the loyalty points store.  But some people don't realise that they're not "free".

[Predator Irl]

Ah right, I never thought of the loyalty points. I'll buy them all up tonight then, I thought someone was able to manufacture them cheaper.

[LC]

A lot of the people I know with deep pockets are ETC sellers.

[Jayce]

So, with the changes, will HACs still be good ratters?  I don't see anything in the nano nerf that will affect them as ratting ships.

[ajax34i]

"Good" for me means good DPS, cheap, and easy to train for, so a battleship is better than a HAC.

[Raventongue]

Whatever is most efficient is best in my opinion.

[MahrinSkel]

They won't break HAC's for Level 4's, but since you can't use MWD's on those anyway speed tanking wasn't really an issue (you're either faster than everything in the mission, or you aren't).  This is entirely a PvP issue.

--Dave

[Amarr HM]

Armor/shield tanking Ishtar can rat highly effieciently and has better speed maneuverability than a BC/BS. Considering my drone DPS in the Ishtar is higher than the Domi I would prefer it, plus it can warp out fast if you see hostiles appear in system.

[eldaec]

I'd imagine drones are a special case, because the Ishtar can run battleship class drones.

But I doubt you'd see a Cerberus challenging a Raven, or a Zealot challenging an Armageddon for ratting capability.

And you can afford to lose multiple battleships for each HAC. Plus a Ratting Battleship can easily carry everything it needs to be refitted for a remote-rep plex team at the drop of a hat.

[Amarr HM]

Sure but it depends on what your needs are if say for instance you might be moving into some extremely hostile ratting space in the near future I wouldn't suggest using a Battleship as you are more likely to get caught with your pants down. Though on the flipside if you get caught in a HAC you lose your shirt aswell, but I mainly like the HACs for speed ratting from system to system to get your sec status up.

[Slayerik]

I like my Astarte for Guristas ratting, but im a rich bitch.

[Predator Irl]

But I doubt you'd see a Cerberus challenging a Raven, or a Zealot challenging an Armageddon for ratting capability.

Actually a Cerberus can tank the sansha rats better than a raven, so when you max out HAM's using a Cerb, its sheer manuverability and better speed make it a better option for hostile space and it has a 650m3 cargo hold. Its down on DPS compared to the raven, but only for battleships because the Cerb will take out cruisers and frigs instantly, so its a close call.