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Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 10:57:09 AM

Create a Funcom account = no credit card, though you can't download the trial/game.

If it was about age verification they could plug ALL holes by putting a CC requirement on this step.  It's not about age verification, which is why they don't have a CC requirement on this step.  The silliness of "Age Verification" is something that Blood invented himself (actually, he didn't invent it, someone else said it in the thread and he latched onto it like a fanboi gone mad) and it didn't come from Funcom or anywhere else.

If there is an official statement from Funcom saying that the $3 download is for "Age Verification" then I'll at least give the argument merit.  But as it stands it's just some shit some guy on a message board made up and it's obviously wrong.

And Funcom are still a bunch of idiots for adding a step to the process, which means people won't be doing it, which means less customers.

EDIT:  P.S.:  I left the game really liking it, but I also realized there were not enough of my friends left to do any real raiding/endgame pvp on a regular basis, which is why I was playing so I thought I'd give it some time and come back when more people are playing, which is why I think this move is even stupider.
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Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 11:06:05 AM

3 bucks.  It would most likely cost you more than that to go (heh) buy the trial CDs from your local Best Buy or whatever. 

And if I were getting the trial DVD/CD at the store, I'd have no problem paying $3 for it. That's one thing. Charging for the download bandwidth is another. See my post about barriers to entry... as in the more barriers to entry you give a customer, the lower the chance they'll give you any money.

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Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 11:07:43 AM

ahahaha, fanboy gone mad.

You wonder why people go to such extremes with you, when thats what you dish out.

This place is fun, if I say something good about Funcom I'm just a "AoC Fanboi ZOMG!"

If I point out that Funcom is making a stupid move here, I'm just a "AoC HATA! ZOMG!"

On a related note, other than the buddy key. You cant make an account with out a key of some sort (just tried). So you most likely passed through some sort of "verification" at some point. Unless the store doesn't care and sold it to you anyway, then you just need a CC for the account (Required on regastration account from box copy).

Your only options are use a key (Retail/buddy), or digital download (EU/US = $3 by CC).

The buddy key seems to be the exception, but only with friends disks. I cant check if they ask for CC info there, as i would have to burn a buddy key.
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Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 11:14:16 AM

Any clerks refusing to sell an M-rated game to children is because it is story policy and they risk being fired for violating it.  Irate parents can raise a stink and stores would rather have their PR fall on the side of "for the children" than "Best Buy sells porn to kids".  There is no legal enforcement.

Funcom doesn't care either.  The $3 isn't about keeping kids out, it's about offering a 20 GB download trial, or greed, or both.  From a marketing standpoint, it's stupid.  They have to get five people willing to fork over for the trial for every person who would have liked the game if given the opportunity to play, but ends up not buying because they're too cheap or insulted.  And that's only for the first month of a subscription.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

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Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 11:37:59 AM

I never said the $3 was to keep out children. Just want to make that clear.

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Reply #40 on: July 29, 2008, 11:52:55 AM

Is the $3 for the children?  I might try the game if that is the case.
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Reply #41 on: July 29, 2008, 12:54:51 PM

I never said the $3 was to keep out children. Just want to make that clear.
That's fine.  I just wanted to make it clear that "for the children" had nothing to do with anyone but a couple of stores' self-interests, and that there is no legal action possible due to ESRB ratings.

(For today's history lesson, and ever popular f13 tangent post, the ESRB was created pro-actively to prevent Congress from making such laws.)

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Reply #42 on: July 29, 2008, 06:26:05 PM

Also, there is absolutely nothing in this game that would make it deserve the M rating it so proudly displays either.

I NEVER saw a single naked body part... and they totally removed all the "Limb severing" moves...

Yea, you can be-head characters but it looks so terrible you can't even tell you did it.

In fact, I would say that Ultima Online is far bloodier than Age of Conan. And, with the exception of a few NPC's I've only heard about in AOC, Ultima Online showed more skin as well... I often got PK'd by players in nothing more than a thong.
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Reply #43 on: July 29, 2008, 07:16:03 PM

3 bucks.  It would most likely cost you more than that to go (heh) buy the trial CDs from your local Best Buy or whatever. 

And if I were getting the trial DVD/CD at the store, I'd have no problem paying $3 for it. That's one thing. Charging for the download bandwidth is another. See my post about barriers to entry... as in the more barriers to entry you give a customer, the lower the chance they'll give you any money.

I don't have a problem paying $3 for a trial if it helps keep trial accounts from being abused by RMTers, people wanting grief accounts, etc.

However, calling it a 'buddy key' is just plain insulting. I've still got the AoC beta client (that never worked during beta  DRILLING AND MANLINESS) installed on my machine. I might see if I can update it - if it works, I might come calling here and ask for a buddy key to be pm'd to me.

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Reply #44 on: July 29, 2008, 08:26:20 PM

Just as an example of how imporant easy access is; I just downloaded Bring Down the Sky (the free Mass Effect content pack) and it required me to enter my ME key. I never got around to install it, despite the box sitting in a shelf not 10 feet away. I didn't expect to be needed to enter a 20-letter key, so I won't, not now and tomorrow I'll have forgotten all about it.

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Reply #45 on: July 29, 2008, 10:20:00 PM

Just as an example of how imporant easy access is; I just downloaded Bring Down the Sky (the free Mass Effect content pack) and it required me to enter my ME key. I never got around to install it, despite the box sitting in a shelf not 10 feet away. I didn't expect to be needed to enter a 20-letter key, so I won't, not now and tomorrow I'll have forgotten all about it.

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Reply #46 on: July 29, 2008, 10:23:12 PM

Also, there is absolutely nothing in this game that would make it deserve the M rating it so proudly displays either.

I NEVER saw a single naked body part... and they totally removed all the "Limb severing" moves...

Yea, you can be-head characters but it looks so terrible you can't even tell you did it.

In fact, I would say that Ultima Online is far bloodier than Age of Conan. And, with the exception of a few NPC's I've only heard about in AOC, Ultima Online showed more skin as well... I often got PK'd by players in nothing more than a thong.

You probably didn't play long enough (I assume).
There are naked characters in the game, some fatality can be gruesome and the content of some quests is serious stuff.
In my world M rating doesn't have a point to exist, but in this world I can see why they had to (or they were forced to) follow that route.

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Reply #47 on: July 30, 2008, 06:10:34 AM

Mature content does not only include blood and boobs. Dialog, subject matter and reading level are also included.

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Reply #48 on: July 30, 2008, 06:18:56 AM

Mature content does not only include blood and boobs. Dialog, subject matter and reading level are also included.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much to do with reading level in AoC's case, given that the grammar and spelling are generally pretty terrible.
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Reply #49 on: August 09, 2008, 10:24:10 AM

Okay, my former beta version is all patched up, to the best of my knowledge. Can someone please PM me a buddy key?

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Reply #50 on: August 09, 2008, 10:51:50 AM

Also, there is absolutely nothing in this game that would make it deserve the M rating it so proudly displays either.

I NEVER saw a single naked body part... and they totally removed all the "Limb severing" moves...

Yea, you can be-head characters but it looks so terrible you can't even tell you did it.

In fact, I would say that Ultima Online is far bloodier than Age of Conan. And, with the exception of a few NPC's I've only heard about in AOC, Ultima Online showed more skin as well... I often got PK'd by players in nothing more than a thong.

What game have you been playing?

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Reply #51 on: August 09, 2008, 01:49:08 PM

If you sign up with a buddy code, you have to enter credit card details whether or not you download it.  (I borrowed discs and installed it direct which took a fucking age in the first place. "This might take a long time?" Not fucking kidding!) Anyway, point is, didn't pay $3 or whatever, didn't download 20Gb, still had to enter CC details.

I probably should try to play it before the 7 days is up.

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Reply #52 on: August 11, 2008, 06:38:51 AM

Create a Funcom account = no credit card, though you can't download the trial/game.

If it was about age verification they could plug ALL holes by putting a CC requirement on this step.  It's not about age verification, which is why they don't have a CC requirement on this step.  The silliness of "Age Verification" is something that Blood invented himself (actually, he didn't invent it, someone else said it in the thread and he latched onto it like a fanboi gone mad) and it didn't come from Funcom or anywhere else.
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Anyway, point is, didn't pay $3 or whatever, didn't download 20Gb, still had to enter CC details.
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Reply #53 on: August 12, 2008, 07:51:09 PM

I don't mind having to enter CC details (although perhaps I should since there have been complaints that Funcom is incorrectly billing players who quit) but I'd like to get a buddy key.

Anyone? I can PM you my email address if you need to send it that way.

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Reply #54 on: August 12, 2008, 09:36:08 PM

I'll send you mine.

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Reply #55 on: August 12, 2008, 11:02:23 PM

Thanks!

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Reply #56 on: August 14, 2008, 07:29:07 PM

Apparently I can't upgrade the beta client to the full client without re-downloading the entire game. Which I think is odd, but then this is Funcom we are talking about.

I'll have to see if I can find a friend who has the disks - I'm not spending close to my entire monthly download allowance (and $3) to try AoC for 10 days.

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Reply #57 on: August 15, 2008, 12:09:11 AM

I will never ever get over the lollerificness of a monthly download allowance. Some people were fed some wicked fucking kool-aid somehow and I can't rationalize it.

And on that note, in the last 2 days I have used 40GB.
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Reply #58 on: August 16, 2008, 06:44:25 AM

You don't live in my country, where download limits are standard.

I pay 15c on every MB over the 20 GB limit as well.

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Reply #59 on: August 21, 2008, 10:30:07 PM

You don't live in my country, where download limits are standard.

I pay 15c on every MB over the 20 GB limit as well.

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Reply #60 on: August 21, 2008, 11:43:44 PM

You don't live in my country, where download limits are standard.

I pay 15c on every MB over the 20 GB limit as well.

Is there a type of transfer that gets around this? Maybe ftp instead of http? or sftp? anything? How can we help you?
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Reply #61 on: August 22, 2008, 08:11:55 AM

Did you ever find a way to do this unsub?

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Reply #62 on: August 22, 2008, 08:23:52 AM

Any method will be better than a bit torrent, but otherwise the amount of compression will make a bigger difference than the method.  (A couple of bigger files will be better than a bunch of tiny files, though not sure that's a big enough difference to worry about either.)

Really, it'd be cheaper to mail a few disks at this point.

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Reply #63 on: August 24, 2008, 08:10:43 AM

I will never ever get over the lollerificness of a monthly download allowance. Some people were fed some wicked fucking kool-aid somehow and I can't rationalize it.

And on that note, in the last 2 days I have used 40GB.

Working for a telecom, I can explain it a little... the vast majority of our bandwidth is eaten up by about 2% of our customers. (the torrent people) You have to plan for that sort of thing when designing your network and it makes trunking to a site a lot more expensive. Allowances effectively eliminate that sort of user. My company doesn't have download allowances, but I can understand why others do it. The problem that the customer runs into is that once a company starts charging per MB, prices NEVER go down... they only go up. So if you're limited to 20gig per month, that's never going to change. They're not going to give up their money fountain.
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