Dragon Age

[Reg]

[gryeyes]

[01101010]

http://dragonage.bioware.com/addon/rto

Someone tell me if its worth it next week. 

[stray]

[sidereal]

Is this just me, or are the loading screens in this game really looooong?

If you've been playing for longer than a couple of hours, restart.  There's a leak (or two) that grinds up the load time.

[Engels]

[Azuredream]

Is this just me, or are the loading screens in this game really looooong?

If you've been playing for longer than a couple of hours, restart.  There's a leak (or two) that grinds up the load time.

That must've been the problem. I'd been on a binge playing for 4 or 5 hours and the load times were getting slightly ridiculous (4-5 minutes? really?).

[Lum]

Given that no matter how the game ends you can't continue playing once it ends, I imagine it's aimed for re-rolls and people who haven't finished.

Rumor has it that a future DLC will be a mini-expansion that  so that would have to be post-endgame, kind of how Broken Steel changed the ending of Fallout 3.

[EWSpider]

Reload your final save for an explanation.

[schild]

Is this just me, or are the loading screens in this game really looooong?

If you've been playing for longer than a couple of hours, restart.  There's a leak (or two) that grinds up the load time.

That must've been the problem. I'd been on a binge playing for 4 or 5 hours and the load times were getting slightly ridiculous (4-5 minutes? really?).

Straight up memory leak.

[gryeyes]

What you linked doesn't say that dragons are dangerous or destructive.

[rk47]

All Dwarves have innate Magic Resistance, with a 10% chance of negating magic or magical damage altogether.

I know that, but I'm confused why it isn't "RP" to give him more? Err.. If I read that right.

Drunker. Dwarf. Berserker. Templar.  

Also you can pickpocket while in combat. 

[Engels]

[Ingmar]

[gryeyes]

[Malakili]

RRRAAAAGEEEEEEEEE

[Riggswolfe]

About the maker and the old gods and such:

[rk47]

About the maker and the old gods and such:

[Koyasha]

It is notable that absolutely nothing proves the Maker's existence or non-existence in the game or any of the known lore, as far as I am aware.  That's being specifically kept as an unknown.

[stray]

About the maker and the old gods and such:

How does that make the maker evil? Someone was stepping on his lawn. Aww the poor darkspawn... Are you kidding me?

Chantry all the way. I smite thee, fool!  

[edit] Just to mention though, Leliana isn't really representative of the Chantry. She believes the maker is active/talking/participating. The chantry doesn't.

[Riggswolfe]

How does that make the maker evil? Someone was stepping on his lawn. Aww the poor darkspawn... Are you kidding me?

Chantry all the way. I smite thee, fool!  

[edit] Just to mention though, Leliana isn't really representative of the Chantry. She believes the maker is active/talking/participating. The chantry doesn't.

Well because:

It is notable that absolutely nothing proves the Maker's existence or non-existence in the game or any of the known lore, as far as I am aware.  That's being specifically kept as an unknown.

I believe you're right. The overall idea of the maker in-game seems to be that he basically just closed the door to heaven and told everyone to get off his lawn. Heck, based on some interparty banter we know that atheists exist in the DA world which tells me that there is no proof of his existence as you'd see in, say, a D&D game. I wonder if this is why priests were specifically not given any powers, to keep that question open?

Also, it's worth mentioning that some people in-game call into question the chantry's account of where the darkspawn came from so you're right, the maker may or may not exist and that debate is actually represented in the game.

[stray]

Well, it never says he created them, does it? Just that he cast them under the earth. The only thing he's responsible for is not outright killing them. And maybe he simply can't. Maybe he needs help. If that's the case, he's not "evil".. or even selfish.

Lastly, I wouldn't take the Christian parallels too far. All of the talk of "old gods" is more akin to Titans. Which tells me that the maker himself isn't exactly some ominipotent being capable of doing everything by himself. [edit] OK, wait.. titan may be a bad comparison. The dragon age "old gods" aren't quite that powerful, I think.

[Riggswolfe]

Well, it never says he created them, does it? Just that he cast them under the earth. The only thing he's responsible for is not outright killing them. And maybe he can't. Maybe he needs help.

Lastly, I wouldn't take the Christian parallels too far. All of the talk of "old gods" is more akin to Titans. Which tells me that the maker himself isn't exactly some ominipotent being capable of doing everything by himself. [edit] OK, wait.. titan may be a bad comparison. The dragon age "old gods" aren't quite that powerful, I think.

He cast the old ones under the earth. The darkspawn were supposedly mages cursed by the maker for daring to go to his golden city which I took as sort of an allegory for heaven.

I thought of the old gods as more akin to pagan gods than titans. Alot of the chantry had that feel to me, of a church where a new singular god had cast out all the old gods. Heck, the exalted march on the elves was very much a crusade against the infidels in a very literal way.

[rk47]

Heh as much as they tried, the religion's too dull to be of worth in the lore. Honestly, Morrowind is MUCH in-depth in its presentation of Imperial Church vs Dunmer worshipping.

[stray]

Well, it never says he created them, does it? Just that he cast them under the earth. The only thing he's responsible for is not outright killing them. And maybe he can't. Maybe he needs help.

Lastly, I wouldn't take the Christian parallels too far. All of the talk of "old gods" is more akin to Titans. Which tells me that the maker himself isn't exactly some ominipotent being capable of doing everything by himself. [edit] OK, wait.. titan may be a bad comparison. The dragon age "old gods" aren't quite that powerful, I think.

He cast the old ones under the earth. The darkspawn were supposedly mages cursed by the maker for daring to go to his golden city which I took as sort of an allegory for heaven.

I thought of the old gods as more akin to pagan gods than titans. Alot of the chantry had that feel to me, of a church where a new singular god had cast out all the old gods. Heck, the exalted march on the elves was very much a crusade against the infidels in a very literal way.

Oh ok, I re-read some stuff. I still disagree though. I don't think cursing the mages (in service of the old gods) who were looking for a way to take his shit is evil.

On another note, I don't buy that there isn't a maker either, and that the darkspawn are simply some natural element of the "ecosystem" or whatnot. I mean, that'd be even more confusing. And for fantasy's sake, atheistic/naturalistic viewpoints are pretty lame and don't mesh well. haha

[tmp]

The darkspawn were supposedly mages cursed by the maker for daring to go to his golden city which I took as sort of an allegory for heaven.

There's two a bit different versions of this. The Chantry version is the one about mages getting cursed for daring to step on the lawn etc. The other version sort-of comes from the writer's posts, and to a degree also from the game lore, and it has the Golden City being long abandoned by the Maker by the time the mages entered it (the Maker was disappointed first with his original creation --the spirits-- lacking the creative spark, then with his second creation --humans and possibly other races-- being the sinful assholes they are) So in this alternative version it's not exactly an active curse but rather the humanity's own sins undergoing some explosive decompression in sin-free environment that's the Golden City, and staining the City, the mages and everything else around. Like shit hitting the fan or something along these lines.

[Riggswolfe]

Oh ok, I re-read some stuff. I still disagree though. I don't think cursing the mages (in service of the old gods) who were looking for a way to take his shit is evil.

On another note, I don't buy that there isn't a maker either, and that the darkspawn are simply some natural element of the "ecosystem" or whatnot. I mean, that'd be even more confusing. And for fantasy's sake, atheistic/naturalistic viewpoints are pretty lame and don't mesh well. haha

Well, I only say it makes me think the Maker is evil because the result of that curse is essentially a recurring plague that could theoretically wipe out civilisation. So, basically, because the Maker got pissy about their actions he has essentially cursed the entire world.

As for your other part, I sort of like the interpretation that there was a maker but he took his ball and went home long ago. I also suspect that Morrigan was just poking at Leilana when she told her she was an atheist though I also think Morrigan has some very slanted views of the chantry due to her upbringing. Honestly, one reason I tend to like Morrigan better in a romance is that Leilana is too much of a religious nut for me to truly take her seriously.

[Ironwood]

Ok.

So.

Don't touch the tombstone then.


And Save more often.

FUCK ME.

[taolurker]

Hahaa  I take it the Revenant got you?

[Ironwood]

All good advice mate, but my wee party just ain't ready for it.

Long story short, we suck ass right now.

[01101010]

finally finished my first play thru and started a god damn dwarf commoner last night. Going to attempt to dual wield warrior his ass in the vein of a Slayer. I hate dwarfs but for some reason, I am having a pretty good time with this game's interpretation of them.

[taolurker]

All good advice mate, but my wee party just ain't ready for it.

Long story short, we suck ass right now.

Well considering it scales according to your party level, you might want to do it sooner rather than later. Also as a higher level the Revenant will have mass pull, and will smack you around just as hard.

I'd keep trying that section over, until you work your way past it, and I think on my first playthrough it took me 4 tries before I killed him. Second playthrough I had leveled more, doing different sections first, and still needed to do it more than once because knowing what tactics are needed and getting them timed/working perfectly are different.

[Venkman]

Ok.

So.

Don't touch the tombstone then.


And Save more often.

FUCK ME.

Yea, had the same problem. Still need to go back and try him again.

[stray]

Oh ok, I re-read some stuff. I still disagree though. I don't think cursing the mages (in service of the old gods) who were looking for a way to take his shit is evil.

On another note, I don't buy that there isn't a maker either, and that the darkspawn are simply some natural element of the "ecosystem" or whatnot. I mean, that'd be even more confusing. And for fantasy's sake, atheistic/naturalistic viewpoints are pretty lame and don't mesh well. haha

Well, I only say it makes me think the Maker is evil because the result of that curse is essentially a recurring plague that could theoretically wipe out civilisation. So, basically, because the Maker got pissy about their actions he has essentially cursed the entire world.

As for your other part, I sort of like the interpretation that there was a maker but he took his ball and went home long ago. I also suspect that Morrigan was just poking at Leilana when she told her she was an atheist though I also think Morrigan has some very slanted views of the chantry due to her upbringing. Honestly, one reason I tend to like Morrigan better in a romance is that Leilana is too much of a religious nut for me to truly take her seriously.

She's hardly a religious nut. Relative to the Chantry, she's one of those individual religious types with her own ideas. The Chantry, when it comes down to it, isn't about the Maker. It's about Andraste - or rather, it's about Andraste being the only one who is accessible to the Maker. Leliana OTOH is one of those people who think anyone is accessible to God or whatnot, as well as thinking God is actively trying to improve the world. In the big picture of things, her ideas are less restraining and dogmatic. She is passionate though, and if this were a D&D alignment thing, she's definitely the "chaotic good" character. If that makes her a nut, so be it. I think it makes her a little more free thinking. A truly Lawful Good Chantry type would be the religious nut. Gregor, the Templar Commander, for example: That guy isn't flexible at all. Although I kind of like him personally. Heh

As for Morrigan, I'll take her (or rather, the writer) at her word and say she's some kind of atheist type. Again, if there was an alignment here, she's Chaotic Neutral. Everything about her emphasizes freedom, wildness, no attachments, etc.

[eldaec]

finally finished my first play thru and started a god damn dwarf commoner last night. Going to attempt to dual wield warrior his ass in the vein of a Slayer. I hate dwarfs but for some reason, I am having a pretty good time with this game's interpretation of them.

Dwarves in this game are very well done, except I still can't get past how jarring it is that while everyone else is fairly standard fantasy neutral - dwarfs all have really strong US accents.

(except player dwarves who sound like a love child of Brian Blessed and Kiera Knightley)