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AlteredOne
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Reply #35 on: October 29, 2004, 12:53:59 PM

I think Haemish just gets his shits and giggles predicting doom and gloom for the industry...  "Bring out your dead MMOs, bring out your dead!"  

Yet, in reality even the most half-assed MMO titles (i.e. Horizons, AC2) manage to keep festering along, like some Frankenstein monster assembled from the carcass bits of half-digested fanbois.  Seems like only games owned by EA actually die and get buried properly in a deep grave.
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Reply #36 on: October 29, 2004, 01:23:22 PM

Quote from: HaemishM

CRAAAAWWWWWWWLING IIIIINNNNN MY SKIIIIIN
THESE WOUUUUUUUUNDS THEY WIIIIIIIL NOT HEEE-AAAAAL.

This post makes me want to squeeze into my badass red jeans.
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Reply #37 on: October 29, 2004, 01:29:53 PM

Quote from: Ardent
A tremendous amount of cynicism and asshattery is being spewed across message boards (including this one) regarding the releases of WoW and EQ2.

Everyone just needs to relax. Both games are nowhere near as broken as the squeaky wheels claim. They will be released, stuff will break, other stuff will work just fine, people will enjoy playing or not for their own reasons.


....

So this is your first major MMO release with us, yes?

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Reply #38 on: October 29, 2004, 01:50:57 PM

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The "Death march" phase of a software project I believe that's called.


Yes. And it's not unique to MMOG projects.


It's just that the MMOG "Death March" doesn't end when the game releases.

Two of the biggest name MMOG's releasing obviously early and fucked up within two weeks of each other? I expect a black hole of whining to swallow the earth. Maybe this will be the death knell of doom the industry needs to unfuck itself.

Nahhhh.


Nahhhh because people are f'ing sheep. These are the same sheep that if you took Madden 2004-5? whatever gave it a new cover and put in cheerleaders with bigger boobies and changed NOTHING else would still pay another 50 dollars for it next year.

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Reply #39 on: October 29, 2004, 01:52:38 PM

Quote from: Ardent
A tremendous amount of cynicism and asshattery is being spewed across message boards (including this one) regarding the releases of WoW and EQ2.

Everyone just needs to relax. Both games are nowhere near as broken as the squeaky wheels claim. They will be released, stuff will break, other stuff will work just fine, people will enjoy playing or not for their own reasons.


Jeez take all the fun out of life why don't you.

Man I have ww2ol fanboi tendancies at times and Lum's 'Taxi to Victory' still makes me giggle.

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Reply #40 on: October 29, 2004, 03:51:20 PM

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So this is your first major MMO release with us, yes?


Actually, no.

I'm just tired of the torrent of bullshit coming from both the fanbois and the patronizing cynics. And I'm tired of my own bullshit, lord knows I've smeared enough of it here and elsewhere.

I guess I'm just in the mood to tell everyone, including myself, to lighten the fuck up.

Um, never mind.
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Reply #41 on: October 29, 2004, 04:18:40 PM

Why the fuck did I go to the Blizzard forums?  I knew I would be instantly assaulted by teh stupid...

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Jebus. You could have given more than a day's warning. I spent 8 hours yesterday working on a project for work when I could have been WoWing then and working now
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Reply #42 on: October 29, 2004, 04:20:09 PM

I haven't played enough EQ2 yet to decide, but WoW is going to do fine on its release except maybe for the stress on the servers. It'll need some balancing, but most content is there and its fun.

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Reply #43 on: October 29, 2004, 05:58:40 PM

In case anyone cares, the designers at blizz updated their info on raid content:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/raid-article.shtml

Sounds pretty interesting, we will see if it is pulled off.

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Reply #44 on: October 29, 2004, 06:55:45 PM

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In some cases, you might be able to encounter a higher-tiered raid boss, but you couldn't actually defeat it until your AC or resists or basic stats were pumped up by acquiring items from lower-level tiered raid bosses. We would consider that a natural stop gap for raid progression.


Quote from: Blizzard.com
We think this will make looting more fair in raids, since the loot there will be so much better.


Balanced PvP?  Here, meet PvE mudflation.

Quote from: Blizzard.com
These will be like raiding dungeon crawls, where you'll hit multiple special raid-strength monsters along the way that will require an entire raid to clear.

These raid-strength monsters aren't the actual raid bosses, but are the monsters in the raid encounter. They will probably be flagged as elite monsters, but since they will be in a raid zone, they will be even tougher. These normal raid monsters will be tuned for anywhere from 20 to 40 people to defeat.


So, basically, Vex Thall, WoW style.  Woo hah.  No thanks.

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Reply #45 on: October 29, 2004, 07:46:21 PM

Raids have raid strength monsters? ohz nohz!

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Reply #46 on: October 30, 2004, 01:42:32 AM

This obsession with bugspray must stop!
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Reply #47 on: October 30, 2004, 05:33:51 AM

Quote from: Ardent
Quote from: Merusk
So this is your first major MMO release with us, yes?


Actually, no.

I'm just tired of the torrent of bullshit coming from both the fanbois and the patronizing cynics. And I'm tired of my own bullshit, lord knows I've smeared enough of it here and elsewhere.

I guess I'm just in the mood to tell everyone, including myself, to lighten the fuck up.


What's the alternative? To "wait and see"? To give this or that game a chance? Why? We've waited, we've seen, and we've played the same fucking stupid game over and over again.

It isn't that some of us have a problem with any particular game's flaws. It's that we think the whole genre is shit, broken from the bottom up. The only reason why we stick around and talk about them is that we see potential, not in any of the games, but in MMO's in general. And everytime it isn't delivered, we get a little pissed.

So really, man...It's Hope, not Hate :)
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Reply #48 on: October 30, 2004, 08:39:45 AM

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/costume-reallife-contest/04-winners.shtml

I guess I knew that there were people like this. I just wish they wouldn't show up on the internet.

I feel so violated.
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Reply #49 on: October 30, 2004, 10:29:50 AM

So you had to come here and violate the rest of us?  

Cheers.

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Reply #50 on: October 30, 2004, 10:37:29 AM

For most of us this is a hobby but there are a few people here at least where this industry is their day job or they would like it to be.

For anyone with an aspiration to be a leader in any industry sooner or later you have to take a stand and choose something (e.g. a game in this case) to support while recognizing its faults.  Or make one yourself.

But painting all options with the broad brush of misery is the mistake of anyone in any industry who ends up being a talker - not a "doer".

I find the posts of misery entertaining - with some insight.  But for the posters themselves - if you are genuine that in the real world some day you will be taken seriously - you have to pony up.  Pick a horse and back it or make one your own.

The "all options are shit" approach is a very common problem for folks that are bright - but lack practical focus.  In this position these people never amount anything imo - and quickly become irrelevant unless they change their course.  You have to be careful not to paint yourself into a corner of inaction trapped by your own critical eye (a very common problem among professional researchers and professional investors - both industries I have worked in).

Otherwise it's good fun for me - but hey - I am not looking to make my mark on the gaming industry.  If you are - my suggestions is pony-up.

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Reply #51 on: October 30, 2004, 12:17:44 PM

Quote from: bhodikhan
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/costume-reallife-contest/04-winners.shtml

I guess I knew that there were people like this. I just wish they wouldn't show up on the internet.

I feel so violated.


How come some of the women in these pics look kinda hot, but all the guys look like losers who live with their moms??
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Reply #52 on: October 30, 2004, 12:23:32 PM

Who gives a fuck. They just did a contest for a video game. Not only should they all win a copy of WoW but they should be taken out of the gene pool as well. Bleh. Would you all dress up for copies of WoW? No? Didn't think so.
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Reply #53 on: October 30, 2004, 12:41:57 PM

I didn't think those outfits were all that bad.   It's not cosplay, it's for Holloween.   Not that I even bothered trick or treating for probably about a decadde, but I can't really fault them for having holiday spirit.

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Reply #54 on: October 30, 2004, 01:30:52 PM

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Not that I even bothered trick or treating for probably about a decadde, but I can't really fault them for having holiday spirit.


You don't need to trick or treat to wear a costume.  Ever heard of costume parties?  Going out to a bar dressed up?

I'm a creature of habit with my yearly costume; very little effort, not many people do it.  I buy some gray hair spray, wear my robe, let my pants fall around my ankles.  I then carry with me a remote control, an paddle ball game, an ashtray, and a chair.  Works out perfect, I have somewhere to sit all night, and I've got my own ashtray.
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Reply #55 on: October 30, 2004, 01:43:51 PM

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So sad yet comforting at the same time: It looks like even the socially inept can find a niche for themselves in this world.  This type of nerdiness transcends gender and if people like that are having fun, more power to them (I guess it beats jacking cars or holding up liquor stores).

If I ever find myself encountering one of them and hear the infamous "Lightning Bolt!" (in a non-joking manner) as a Nerf dart hits me, I highly doubt those foam divorce-therapy bats they're wielding will protect them.

Diff'rent Strokes for Diff'rent Folks, I guess.

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Reply #56 on: October 30, 2004, 02:00:59 PM

Quote from: bhodikhan
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/costume-reallife-contest/04-winners.shtml

I guess I knew that there were people like this. I just wish they wouldn't show up on the internet.

I feel so violated.


Heh.  I think a porn site featuring game characters would make a ton of money.
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Reply #57 on: October 30, 2004, 02:08:39 PM

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Heh.  I think a porn site featuring game characters would make a ton of money.


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Reply #58 on: October 30, 2004, 02:25:22 PM

Commercial porn sites featuring game characters would need to get the okay from the companies who own the character trademarks.  Otherwise, Nintendo's Porn Division is liable to come knocking.

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Reply #59 on: October 30, 2004, 02:49:49 PM

When I looked at the succubus woman, the first thought that occurred to me was that her top was the same colors and a similar pattern to Fironia Vie's.

I should probably be put down.

This post makes me want to squeeze into my badass red jeans.
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Reply #60 on: October 30, 2004, 03:30:48 PM

Apparently cleavage was the tiebreaker

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Reply #61 on: October 30, 2004, 04:20:18 PM

Cleavage is always the tie-breaker. There is no ills in this world that cannot be cured with a liberal application of a pair of breasts the size of your head.

Look here. We KNOW these two releases really shouldn't be releasing this early. We know they aren't finished, nor are they in a release state. Both have some serious issues or missing content that should be there in release, in a world in which the industry gave a fuck about its own standards of quality. Are they playable in beta? Sure. So was Shadowbane.

The fact is that no matter how bad the release is, the MMOG market has shown that it will reward shitty releases. It's goddamned hard to kill most MMOG's, even when the ineptitude of the development team, hosting apparatus and publisher is clearly evident. Will WoW or EQ2's early release "kill" the games? No, because most players are either too stupid to give a shit, or too needy to realize they're being sold a half-eaten day-old eclair. Look at Horizons. Big shit sandwich, bankrupt dev company, STILL IN BUSINESS.

I find no shame in calling doom and gloom on these releases, because they will be shitty and go upwards from there. But I will laugh when they aren't the huge successes many in the industry believe they will be.

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Reply #62 on: October 30, 2004, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: HaemishM
But I will laugh when they aren't the huge successes many in the industry believe they will be.

I think those same people are still betting The Sims Online will be bringing in huge numbers Any Day Now™.
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Reply #63 on: October 30, 2004, 06:55:45 PM

Blizzard are quite clever. Their creation of a fan art section, an active and loosely moderated forum (in which developers actually post) and competitions that invite and celebrate player contribution are excellent community building. In comparison SOE make it quite clear that the fans are quite seperate and to be "managed", their wining and dining of community leaders opening divisions within the player base.

Just another reason why WoW will set records in the American MMORPG market.

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Reply #64 on: October 30, 2004, 07:21:38 PM

You know....I played the WOW beta for over a year.  

Now that the beta server is dead I'm happy. It's hard to explain. While I love the game and it's artwork (I work in the CG industry) I am mentally exhausted from playing various characters in a world that is devoid of any real character. The emperor does indeed have no clothes.

I think the game will be very popular. I had fun testing, playing, and exploring. However, I never want to see it again. If I have to do the same quests (which are no different than those of COH) one more time I'll just die from frustration.

I was relieved to delete the directory off my system.

Christ! I think EVE-Online is more interesting at this point in my life after being worn out by WOW.

Don't even get me started about the combo of bnet kiddies and PvP. The nightmares still haven't stopped from thinking about THAT!
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Reply #65 on: October 30, 2004, 07:57:09 PM

You did play it for a year. It can't be that bad.

I'd be happy to find a game i get a year of enjoyment out of. Most last me a couple of weeks at most...and they cost the same 49.95.

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Reply #66 on: October 30, 2004, 09:48:54 PM

You played it for a year? OMG I'm... atonished? Troubled?

If you can read this, you're on a board populated by misogynist assholes.
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Reply #67 on: October 30, 2004, 10:39:49 PM

Somebody didn't come pre-burned out from EQ, hmm? ;)

I don't really envy the beta testers much - they got to play the flawed messy game.   Release should be interesting because they'll have most of the bugs worked out.  Much like City of Heroes and Dark Age of Camelot, it'll all be about expansion post-release.

I'm getting dragged into World of Warcraft because a good buddy of mine's playing the game.   However, if you have to chose yet another massively multiplayer monster slayer simulator, I'm not really certain if WoW is really all that better of a choice than EQ2.   It sort of goes back to my City of Heroes complaint: City of Heroes is an awesome game, but not so great of a MMORPG.    World of Warcraft is a pretty good game, but it's trying also to emulate a successful MMORPG, and in the previous stress test I was left with the impression it falls short here.  

Who knows?  Maybe the feeling of lack of purpose within the game will go away once I know my character is permanent.   Perhaps my lack of satisfaction with the majority of the classes I played before had to do with the disciplines not being fully implementated at the time.   If World of Warcraft's previous stress test just didn't "click" with me, then maybe it will if I look deeper.   If I felt the socialization was poor before, maybe it would improve if I get involved with a guild.  Ect.

Oh well, I've made up my mind, here's hoping I won't come to regret it.  Honestly, if I'm looking for the best bang for my buck, I might as well hold out for Guild Wars.

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Reply #68 on: October 30, 2004, 11:05:18 PM

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I pick Darkfall.  On paper, it is 90%+ of what I am looking for.

Now where can send my money to, to make sure it gets released?

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Reply #69 on: October 31, 2004, 12:36:16 AM

I think I get a division now. Those who consider MMORPG's to be a subset of games will match them against single player games and find them lacking. The polish is not at the same level, the world is not active enough, there's too much grinding and repetition. And too much of the game is focused on having to deal with other people rather than the game. They'll also happily write a review at level 10 because they have experienced many hours of the gameplay. They probably visit websites that discuss games in general.

Then there are some who see MMORPG's as a completely seperate form of gaming. The point is to be a part of the global experience, which means dealing with other people and a lot of preperation and progression (even if in some games the fun never comes). The game can't have the same polish and mechanisms of single player games because it has to be durable and eternal even if this means the content is spread much more thinly. They'll tend to ignore any review from someone who isn't well on their way to the level cap. They probably visit websites specialised to the game / community of which they're a part (I always wondered why people hung around the FoH board).

You can see this in CoH and GW, those are games first, with the focus on the immediate gameplay and no pressing long term goal. EQ and WoW are of the second type, it's not as much where you are as where you are heading. The CoH gamer will consider EQ boring, the EQ gamer will consider CoH ultimately pointless, and they'll both be right. The CoH gamer loves the immediate identity of the character generator whereas the EQ gamer wants to build that identity out of increasingly more uber gear.

I guess it can also be argued that due to the time and money invested to construct a world, and the fact that the profit is in subscription fee's, it is natural that games tend towards the second group. Which is perhaps why some here hope the GW funding model, where money = content *now*, will work.

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