LotD Claims Battle Keep

[waylander]

News and Video Link

We just missed out on being a world first with claiming a battle keep last night. Funcom stealth patched the resources needed to make a T3 keep (but not a T3 city with lvl 80 crafters!), and lowered the requirements by a lot. As a result we logged on and frantically sought out a spot to place our battle keep and build our border kingdom city. Its odd because you spend all these resources to build your PVE city, and then you have to turn around and build it all over again in the PVP instance.

Anyways, enjoy the video.

[photek]

Site seems down at the moment, will watch when its up.

Russians were world first though (Rus Corp) so grats to them.
http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=46350&highlight=Ruscorp

[Kirth]

Is it true that now that you own a battle keep , you can only defend it?

[photek]

Is it true that now that you own a battle keep , you can only defend it?

Right now, yeah. Also from that thread above :

The gate breaks down (becomes passable) at 50 % hp.
During siege vulnerability windows, everybody can attack, there's no signing up or anything.

So you choose when your city is vulnerable and during that time window you can get raided. And also :

Guy 1 - I see an npc balista builder, meaning that npc's in battlekeeps work
Guy 2 - The balista builders are the only npcs.

So it is not the best idea maybe to build it yet as you can't have the proper NPCs around.

[Mrbloodworth]

It was my understanding that your guild needed to spend Guild PvP points to register to attack someones keep.

I could be completely wrong, or using outdated info. But i always took it as you have to put forth some effort to attack someones keep, not just walk over and hack at it.

The points are gained by Mini games, and mercenary work ETC...

[Ookii]

Oh I walked by that place the other day and stared at their level 2 keep, the third one looks lovely.

That said the website itself is gay gay gay.

[LK]

If they open new servers, I might be inclined to start alts just to get on the ground floor of unclaimed real estate.

[Falconeer]

We just missed out on being a world first with claiming a battle keep last night.

Heh, yes, Russians did it first. But isn't it funny that for some people US = World and whatever happens outside your country doesn't really count?

I think you made a honest mistake Waylander and I am mostly joking, still your post made me think. I mean, we Euros get new patches first for god's sake. Blame the sun, but you NA people won't ever get a World first in Age of Conan 

[Pennilenko]

We just missed out on being a world first with claiming a battle keep last night.

Heh, yes, Russians did it first. But isn't it funny that for some people US = World and whatever happens outside your country doesn't really count?

I think you made a honest mistake Waylander and I am mostly joking, still your post made me think. I mean, we Euros get new patches first for god's sake. Blame the sun, but you NA people won't ever get a World first in Age of Conan 

When he said world first, i think he meant in his server. I frequently hear players refer to their shard as world. Pretty simple why dont you drop the american centralist viewpoint hate that we are all self centered jackasses, will you. Im sure you have just as many ass hole self centered ego centric people in your country too.

[Slayerik]

Hey, quit talking shit about the US. That is all.

[Falconeer]

WTF, hit a soft spot?

My country sucks bad, people is horrible and I hate it with passion. I am not even bashing the US, just pointing out something funny from the OP.
Have to say, the last two posts sound very Italian to me, and that's an insult I can afford to use.

[Kovacs]

We just missed out on being a world first with claiming a battle keep last night.

Heh, yes, Russians did it first. But isn't it funny that for some people US = World and whatever happens outside your country doesn't really count?

I think you made a honest mistake Waylander and I am mostly joking, still your post made me think. I mean, we Euros get new patches first for god's sake. Blame the sun, but you NA people won't ever get a World first in Age of Conan 

I'm obviously misunderstandig 'cause I cant figure out what part of "...just missed out on a world first means," "Woo Hoo we beat the damn Russians!!"

[Murgos]

WTF, hit a soft spot?

No.  You're an idiot.

"JUST MISSED" does not mean "we are first" it actually means "we are not first".

You made up something and then attacked an entire country over your made up thing.  How's it feel Mr. Bush?

[Falconeer]

Wow. I should get a new l2read tattoo myself.

Thing is I didn't notice/read Waylander IS in LotD. I thought he was referring to LotD as World First and his unnamed guild as the one who missed it, so I was stating something like "you didn't even took the time to check the euro boards to see if someone was faster than those two NA guilds, given Europeans get patches first".
Yes he did, and yes I am idiot (sometimes).

About "attacking a whole country", "talking shit about the US" and "american centralist viewpoint hate" I can only say you are all overreacting.
What I mentioned above happened many times to me (not here, not this time) and doesn't mean your country or you are shit, neither I wrote anything like that.

[Miasma]

How'd you get all the T3 resources waylander?  And do you have to upgrade the walls and everything before it counts as T3?

[Miasma]

Keep is sieged.  It sounds pretty broken.

[Brogarn]

Keep is sieged.  It sounds pretty broken.

Wow. Not good.

[waylander]

Final Score
LotD: 740
PFB: 47

Highlights

1.
The burden is certainly on the attacking force.

2.
Bugs still prevail, and people can run through cracks in the wall straight into your keep. This needs fixing asap.

3.
Large scale combat is still a 1 FPS slideshow. Needs fixing asap.

4.
Siege PVP strats differ from zone PVP strats. If you show up to a siege with your uber zone PVP build, don't be surprised if you get owned.

5.
While I respect PFB, Darph and Dillinger really give them a bad name. They need to boot those two asap, so they can apply to their 12th guild since release.

Pictures/Videos

We're working on those, and this is just a interim notice about the siege outcome.

http://www.lotd.org/files/aoc/lotdvspfb.jpg
http://www.lotd.org/files/aoc/dillinger2.jpg
http://www.lotd.org/files/aoc/pfbsquished.jpg

Yes there were bugs, but SIN/PFB's QQ-Train needs to be put in context. We suffered the same bugs that they did, the same FPS problems, they even used a bug to stack themselves on top of one another to get over our walls. The bottom line for them is they got rolled, and they are going to blame it on game mechanics as much as they can.

PFB's master plan to humiliate LotD on the world stage by trying to be the first guild to take a keep from a guild went horribly wrong, and I put together an overwhelming force (with some friendly guilds) at 6 AM EST to fight them in our city and camp any other spot in the zone where they could rez to return to the fight.

Tomorrow I'll be repaying one favor and helping someone else defend their keep from these same clowns.

[Falconeer]

How many against how many?

[Simond]

From the aforementioned Darph, a quick summary of siege warfare as is:

1. Siege weapons do not work in any form or fashion.
2. There is no limit on how many players the "Defending" team can bring into an instance. However, instances cap less than 100 players, so if you bring 100 players into an instance, the attacking team can't zone in.
3. You can easily get through walls into the keep.
4. WHEN you crash, you're not getting back in. See "2."
5. FPS, Crashes, etc.

[Ookii]

Pictures/Videos

We're working on those, and this is just a interim notice about the siege outcome.

http://www.lotd.org/files/aoc/lotdvspfb.jpg
http://www.lotd.org/files/aoc/dillinger2.jpg
http://www.lotd.org/files/aoc/pfbsquished.jpg

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Worth posting one of those in all its glory:

[Hoax]

Yes there were bugs, but SIN/PFB's QQ-Train needs to be put in context. We suffered the same bugs that they did, the same FPS problems, they even used a bug to stack themselves on top of one another to get over our walls. The bottom line for them is they got rolled, and they are going to blame it on game mechanics as much as they can.

PFB's master plan to humiliate LotD on the world stage by trying to be the first guild to take a keep from a guild went horribly wrong, and I put together an overwhelming force (with some friendly guilds) at 6 AM EST to fight them in our city and camp any other spot in the zone where they could rez to return to the fight.

Tomorrow I'll be repaying one favor and helping someone else defend their keep from these same clowns.

QQ Train?  It sounds like it was completely unplayable and that the zone is hardcapped on how many people can join and there is no limit to prevent one side from having over 50% of the zone pop?

c/d?

Sounds like the mechanics suck dick, which is the only comments I found in the SiN thread from the thread you linked.  I'm sure Darph is talking shit somewhere but it hardly sounds like a QQ train and he's been w/ those guys since at least SB launch?  This is f13, I'm sure people appreciate the facts, but nobody cares about some old ub3rguild pvp rivalry.  I can smell board warrioring residue on your post, plus I've pvp'd versus that guild across two games over a period of over a year, they are assholes but good organized pvp'ers and people who bring it.

[Lakov_Sanite]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

[schild]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

Funny because I thought the contents of Waylanders and Photeks posts did that.

[Fordel]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

Funny because I thought the contents of Waylanders and Photeks posts did that.

Can't it be both? 

[lamaros]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

Funny because I thought the contents of Waylanders and Photeks posts did that.

You've put slayerik on ignore?

[schild]

Slayerik is white noise at this point. Photek only snapped in the last 48 hours. And Waylander only posts once in a blue moon, and you can't un-see epeen once you've seen it.

[slog]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

I think it's a great illustration of why PvP MMOs are 10 times harder to make than PvE ones.

[Lakov_Sanite]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

I think it's a great illustration of why PvP MMOs are 10 times harder to make than PvE ones.

Agreed but that doesn't invalidate my statement.  Also zone limits on players in zones designs for large scale pvp....hilarity ensues. There's too much broken in this thread to even list.

[Slayerik]

You do know that obsessing makes you sound just as much like 'white noise' with your own broken record bullshit, right? When WUA starts calling you out as the standard bearer for Carebearism, you should maybe look in the mirror.

We get it, you guys don't like MMO PVP. Why are you here again? To say 'Hah hah, see PVP guyz!!! MMO PVP will nevar work!' ?


From reading here, it is another example of an unfinished game. They should have never tried to make a huge selling point of massive battles and huge sieges when obviously this shit is being tacked on as an afterthought. It's a shame, really. Do you even play the game Lakov, or are you still recovering from some PVP experience that all you can manage doing is obsessing in any discussion about it? Just curious.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Eh, I'm bored and mouth-breathers like you are the reason why mmo pvp is still shit. People put in half-assed systems but you are so frothing at the mouth eager to 'pwn sum newbs' that you suck all that shit up with a straw.

I'm playing aoc, I don't think I'll be playing past the first month though, nothing to do with pvp but I'm done with games where you need to grind, just straight up killing mobs to advance, no quests available, just having to whack a mole til you ding, nope can't do it.

So let us re-iterate the point. pvp in most mmo's is shit....it could be improved but most pvp'ers say those who complain need to lrn2p. So do we have well flushed out pvp systems with risk/reward built in, well coded to support varying playstyles and balanced classes that each have a distinct role in the playing field? no we don't.

Yes slayerik, aoc pvp IS tacked on, it's not even all added to the game yet. That's kind of what tacked on means you know, at release they had a pve game with a pvp switch for some servers and a shitty battleground system. now they are tacking on more which will be buggy and unfinished for most likely a year or more. Wow is very much the same in this regard i will say, the current wow pvp system wasn't there at launch and even now years later some say it's still very imbalanced.

What it comes down to, in the end is that a game needs to have the balls to say flat out they are making a pvp mmo. now that doesnt mean there aren't foozles to whack but the foozles have to take backstage when it comes to other players. aoc said they would be that game, they are not. Shadowbane WANTED to be that game, they could not program fun to save their lives. wow wants to pretend to be that game but wow is/was/always will be the king of pve. Warhammer makes promises and whispers sweet nothings but we'll see if it can break the mould.

Am I obesessing? who the fuck cares, this is a gaming board and frankly I'm just dissapointed.

[lamaros]

We get it, you guys don't like MMO PVP. Why are you here again? To say 'Hah hah, see PVP guyz!!! MMO PVP will nevar work!'?

I like PvP and would really enjoy playing a good MMO which does it well. Nothing about AoC gave me the impression that they would get it right, and nothing I've heard recently has changed my mind on that score.

I do get bored by the whole Carebear/PvP breakdown so many of you try to enforce though. People can and do like both and people can and do dislike aspects of how certain games implement both. Idiots who go around with a sense of grievance or entitlement based on what they or others think about the topic are fucking annoying either way, though.

[Lakov_Sanite]

We get it, you guys don't like MMO PVP. Why are you here again? To say 'Hah hah, see PVP guyz!!! MMO PVP will nevar work!'?

I like PvP and would really enjoy playing a good MMO which does it well. Nothing about AoC gave me the impression that they would get it right, and nothing I've heard recently has changed my mind on that score.

I do get bored by the whole Carebear/PvP breakdown so many of you try to enforce though. People can and do like both and people can and do dislike aspects of how certain games implement both. Idiots who go around with a sense of grievance or entitlement based on what they or others think about the topic are fucking annoying either way, though.

/signed

[slog]

that mammoth pic contains i think every single reason why mmo pvp is shit.

I think it's a great illustration of why PvP MMOs are 10 times harder to make than PvE ones.

Agreed but that doesn't invalidate my statement.  Also zone limits on players in zones designs for large scale pvp....hilarity ensues. There's too much broken in this thread to even list.

I was getting at the reason your statement is generally true (coding good PvP is HARD).

I don't agree on your view of Zone limits though.  There has to be some way to keep number if players to a reasonable level.  AOC's method of First Come, First in will undoubtably result in folks gaming the system, but I think this is something that could be solved with a signup system.

That being said, the time to design, test, implement, re-do, and re-implement all this stuff was prior to release.  Funcom's attempt to do this post release is going to end in disaster.  PvP folks like LOTD and SIN (FYI, I've played with both in the past in SB) both understand that PvP exploits are a part of them game.  You don't HAVE to use them, but they WILL be used against you so you better know what they are.

I suspect there are several game breaking PvP exploits just waiting to be discovered.  Hopefully, Funcom was smart enough to not put GM tools clientside like Wolfpack did....

[Miasma]

Here is some video from a guy who needs to turn his gamma way the hell up while in purple lotus.