Appgasm 2008 - (Apple WWDC) - Update for Darniaq - IPhone 3G thread

[Tebonas]

Mine two, three days for normal usage, two days if I go heavy on the instant messaging or surfing.

[Prospero]

I can get two days pretty easily on my iPhone, even with a fair amount of web surfing and music listening. I generally charge it every night though.

[KallDrexx]

I don't remember, to be honest. Some tech explained it to me at some point, saying that some types of lithium batteries actually want constant recharging to preserve battery life, whereas other batteries last longer if you only charge them when its needed. I think the iPhone is the latter, but I could be wrong.

How I had it explained to me is that some lithium batteries keep their charge better if you completely drain (condition the battery) rather than constanlty recharge when it doesn't really need it.  From what I was told this was due to "memory" issues where the battery forgets what it's lowest charge is and moves it up, so thus you get less battery life as you go on.

The other type (that I know apple uses cause I saw docs for it when I bought my nano) is that the batteries usually last X number of charge cycles, but if you charge it from half charge it only counts as 0.5 cycles, so it doesn't matter how often or when you recharge it.

[naum]

On iPhone, WiFi is the big battery pig. If you disable it, you will notice a big difference — you can milk a charge for up to a week with normal usage. With Wi-Fi, I must recharge on a daily basis as the visual indicator can be very deceiving once battery is at any point other than full power.

And obviously, watching videos and extended browsing dial it down much faster than audio iPod/phone usage.

Curious to see how 3G affects it, especially if GPS is enabled too, it will be a battery hog and I noted that their quotes in the WWDC presentation didn't specify if all the "features" were turned on, what that meant for battery consumption usage statistics.

[Oban]

How I had it explained to me is that some lithium batteries keep their charge better if you completely drain (condition the battery) rather than constanlty recharge when it doesn't really need it.  From what I was told this was due to "memory" issues where the battery forgets what it's lowest charge is and moves it up, so thus you get less battery life as you go on.

Only true for archaic NiCad batteries, not relevant for lithium batteries.

[Surlyboi]

How I had it explained to me is that some lithium batteries keep their charge better if you completely drain (condition the battery) rather than constanlty recharge when it doesn't really need it.  From what I was told this was due to "memory" issues where the battery forgets what it's lowest charge is and moves it up, so thus you get less battery life as you go on.

Only true for archaic NiCad batteries, not relevant for lithium batteries.

Actually true on Lithium batteries as well. Just not in the same way. These batteries have a certain span of charge cycles and after that number of cycles is hit, mac charge capacity starts to degrade. That said, there are always exceptions to this rule, but those are generally the minority. The memory effect isn't the same, per-se, but it does have a similar ultimate result.

[Tebonas]

So there is no advantage in letting them run completely out until I recharge them, which is something I do since my first Ipod battery crapped out on me?

[KallDrexx]

So there is no advantage in letting them run completely out until I recharge them, which is something I do since my first Ipod battery crapped out on me?

Probably not.  In the 2-3 years I've had my nano I've never let it completely discharge (or close to it) and it still has great battery life.  I always just hook it up when I have my plug available.

[Oban]

Yes, Lithium based batteries have a limited life time.

They have no memory effect like Nickel based technologies.

[Ookii]

This thread says it's the iPhone 3G thread.  WHO'S EXCITED?

3 days bitches, already got cleared by ATT for an account! 

[Murgos]

I just can't pull the trigger knowing that there will probably be a 32 gig iPhone by X-Mas.  

[SnakeCharmer]

What is the purpose of a $300+ phone, and what has to amount to a $100 (or more) wireless bill every month?

Jebus.  No wonder people complain they're broke.

[Murgos]

What is the purpose of a $300+ phone, and what has to amount to a $100 (or more) wireless bill every month?

Jebus.  No wonder people complain they're broke.

Dude, my NAS has an ARM 9 processor and runs a stripped down version of Linux that I can access via SSH from which I can stream media to an XBOX 360, PS3 or iTunes.  With an iPhone and unlimited data plan, and depending on how robust the new SDK is, I will be able to stream 100's of movies & 10's of thousands of songs to myself (almost) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!!

I ask you how is that not worth 1200 bucks a year in service fees?   

[Ookii]

Oh cmon the iPhone is only $199^* and the Plan is only 70 dollars per month.^**  Anyway it's only for 2 or 3 years until Android becomes more mature and super slick phones start coming out that support it.

*Good version costs $299, also known as the 16gb variant.
**70 dollars a month calculation does not include text messaging, text messages cost 5 dollars per month for 200, 15 for 1500, and 20 for unlimited.

[Sky]

I will be able to stream 100's of movies & 10's of thousands of songs to myself (almost) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!!

I don't even go to my mom's to do laundry any more. Maybe you need to go to more interesting places where you don't need to watch movies.

[schild]

Oh cmon the iPhone is only $199^* and the Plan is only 70 dollars per month.^**  Anyway it's only for 2 or 3 years until Android becomes more mature and super slick phones start coming out that support it.

*Good version costs $299, also known as the 16gb variant.
**70 dollars a month calculation does not include text messaging, text messages cost 5 dollars per month for 200, 15 for 1500, and 20 for unlimited.

Apple can choke on a dick. That plan pricing is horrendous. And makes no sense.

[SnakeCharmer]

I ask you how is that not worth 1200 bucks a year in service fees?   

I guess I'm too old fashioned or just a plain stick in the mud, but I can think of alot better things to do with 1200 dollars over the course of a year (or the life of the contract).

*Good version costs $299, also known as the 16gb variant.
**70 dollars a month calculation does not include text messaging, text messages cost 5 dollars per month for 200, 15 for 1500, and 20 for unlimited.

Exactly.  Which one of you technojunkies is going to get the base version? 

[Viin]

Me. I'd spend $200 bucks on an iPhone but not $300. And I already have a data plan (cell bill is $80/month) so it'd just be a new phone for me. I don't carry music around with me or anything, so I don't need a lot of room. But I'll wait a month or so after release so I don't have to camp out the Apple store to get one.

[MrHat]

Ookii simply reflects my excitement.

I've been reading this shit all week.

I'm super super excited.  Ookii, think I should go get preapproved etc. at the local store?  Should I show up early on Friday?

What's this streaming stuff that I"m hearing about?  OH JESUS I WANTS.

I was going to get an ipod nano anyways, this is like +100 for a phone and internets everywhere.  I already wanted a data phone because I've found myself in too many situations wanting to be able to check my email, check directions, or a movie or something.

Works for me.

$70 + $15 = ~$100/month.  Whatever.  That's like 2 hours of overtime bitches.

[Oban]

If I can get one in the Great White North on Friday, I will.

So many odd rules about who can and can not get the phone up here.  My eyes glaze over reading through the over one-hundred seventy page thread on howardforums about Rogers and their planned policies for the 11th.

[Ookii]

I'm super super excited.  Ookii, think I should go get preapproved etc. at the local store?  Should I show up early on Friday?

I called to make sure there would be no hangups, as long as your credit is fine you won't have to put down a deposit.  I remember from the last iPhone launch that they still had some left at the end of the day, I thought I would head out midday to an Apple store since they all get a crapload of them.

Then again I might just wait in line 

[naum]

What is the purpose of a $300+ phone, and what has to amount to a $100 (or more) wireless bill every month?

I pay ~$70 per month and that includes enough minutes and unlimited internets. Plus 200 SMS messages.

The new plan will add $10 a month I believe (for data plan) and SMS no longer free (think it's $5 for 200 messages or another $20 for unlimited).

I will not upgrade as the lure of 3G is not enough to offset the increase in monthly cost (in addition to shelling out for new phone) and SMS deduction (I probably use half my quota per month). Also, I spend most of my waking life in a cloud covered by WiFi, and when not, Edge is typically good enough for fetching emails and firing off and receiving short missives.

I like my iPhone — it means I have calendar, PDA functionality, phone, video viewer, email, iPod and camera rolled into one slim gadget. Sure it's the EQ bard of mobile phones, all glitzy, jack of all trades but master of none. Odd that "phone" usage is one of the least utilized factors about it for me.

That said, Apple dropping the ball. Has huge head start and forced lock-in is never a good deal. It's only working for them right now because the rest of the market (at least U.S. side, can't speak for Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, Australia, etc.…) is stuck in 1998 or now clumsily trying to clone the iPhone.

[Prospero]

I was all set to hold off on upgrading until today, where I realized I spend an extraordinary amount of time waitng for all our damn avatars to load. 10 bucks to to get twenty minutes of my life back is totally worth it. The forums software needs a mobile mode.

[schild]

It has a mobile mode. I just don't have the address handy.

[Oban]

I was all set to hold off on upgrading until today, where I realized I spend an extraordinary amount of time waitng for all our damn avatars to load. 10 bucks to to get twenty minutes of my life back is totally worth it. The forums software needs a mobile mode.

My blackberry defaults to a stripped down site with just text.

[Trippy]

It has a mobile mode. I just don't have the address handy.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?wap

Edit: There's also

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?wap2

[SnakeCharmer]

Cant you just turn avatars off?

[naum]

It has a mobile mode. I just don't have the address handy.

Problem is, iPhone works better with traditional web site views as opposed to special "mobile" versions. The only caveat is that full width type pages just need a meta tag (i.e., <meta name="viewport" content="width=520"> — doesn't have to be 520, but under 800 or so would be advisable).

NM, the wap2 option seems to be golden!

Except it seems to be "read only" mode.

[Trippy]

I actually started work on a super sekrit iPhone template but didn't get very far. It's actually available for selecting if you want to see it. One big problem is that it doesn't look good when you view things on a regular computer so you would have to constantly switch back and forth which is a huge pain. What I would need to do is write some browser detection code and have it switch to that skin when it detects the iPhone Safari browser.

[naum]

I actually started work on a super sekrit iPhone template but didn't get very far. It's actually available for selecting if you want to see it. One big problem is that it doesn't look good when you view things on a regular computer so you would have to constantly switch back and forth which is a huge pain. What I would need to do is write some browser detection code and have it switch to that skin when it detects the iPhone Safari browser.

The meta viewport tag is all that is needed on most sites.

My tumblelog (http://azspot.net) for instance, as well as tumblr.com main & dashboard work just as well on iPhone as they do on monitor + widescreen or laptop...

Sites with multiple columns all that is needed is a double-tap in that column.

[Trippy]

The meta viewport tag is all that is needed on most sites.

Unfortunately it's not for most forum programs. The page numbers are FAR too close together to be able to easily select with a finger tip. And there are other issues like that as well that make it hard to use on an iPhone.

[naum]

The meta viewport tag is all that is needed on most sites.

Unfortunately it's not for most forum programs. The page numbers are FAR too close together to be able to easily select with a finger tip. And there are other issues like that as well that make it hard to use on an iPhone.

Nonsense.

Works excellent with Google groups and other web forum software. Perhaps it's just a PHPBB/SMF issue…

[Trippy]

Try it for yourself. Try selecting a page number without zooming waaaay in.

[Engels]

I will attest that attempting to browse the f13 boards with your iPhone on the bus on the way to work will reduce me to tears of streaming rage.

[Surlyboi]

I will attest that attempting to browse the f13 boards with your iPhone on the bus on the way to work will reduce me to tears of streaming rage.

f13 was one of the first sites I hit when I got my phone, still hit it daily.