Classes

[Slayerik]

Ive heard Guardians do more damage than Guardians currently.

[Threash]

Conquerors do have some nice group buffs.  I'd like to see what a group of Conquerors could dish out.

A conq group would be insane, even with no heals whoever died would almost instantly be rezzed.  I specced 2h because DW had no cc and it wasn't cutting it on a pvp server.  Now i've got two knockdowns, a stun and a 95% snare that only lasts a few seconds and i can easily hold my own 1v1.  I tanked all of sanctum at 43 without really trying too, the 39 guardian simply couldnt keep aggro.

[Abelian75]

Ive heard Guardians do more damage than Guardians currently.

That just blew my mind.

[schild]

Level 53 toons can't keep aggro when I'm playing my 40 PoM. I don't really think Hate works.

Like, at all.

[Threash]

Level 53 toons can't keep aggro when I'm playing my 40 PoM. I don't really think Hate works.

Like, at all.

Then how am i pulling aggro? :P

[Morfiend]

Level 53 toons can't keep aggro when I'm playing my 40 PoM. I don't really think Hate works.

Like, at all.

Or PoMs.

[pants]

Ive heard Guardians do more damage than Guardians currently.

Thats probably due to Overreach.  Its a Guardian combo that does heaps of damage, but then you have -10% or something for the next 5 seconds or so.  Combine that with stance dancing into Frenzy stance as you hit that combo, and there is much 'nerf them' doomcasting going on on the forums about Guardian spike damage and how we all need to be nerfed.

Me, I'm enjoying my baby Guardian (20 now, just left Tortage).  A lot more survivable than my ToS (who is only 14, and I understand 15 is the first wow level for Tos), and the combo/melee system is just fun.  Anyone know if there are any visual clues for how to actively manage your shields?  Or are people just going even spread of shields?

[schild]

At level 35 is where ToS becomes basically a walking god. If you've got the right mana tap stuff up and the right feats, it's death city. But it definitely starts at 35. I fear what 40 will do though.

[Slayerik]

Obviously I meant Conqs, my guild had this same conversation on vent earlier and people insisted that Guardians can out DPS a Conq. Fuck if I know...

[Falconeer]

The Tempest of Set is God Mode in PVE.

Mine is taking the slow boat to 80, and is still 51. But it seems like we only do well with mobs that allow themselves to be bunched up. If there are a mix of melees and ranged mobs, or all ranged, then I struggle.

Do you use storm field? What are the must have feats for grinding like you do?

These are my feats at level 67.



Please keep in mind that I have NO idea if they have been spent well or no. I never respecced yet and I know I'll have to do it soon. This build came out of nothing, just randonly experimenting. And while I am sure there are tons and tons better than this, I just know that I am a moving grinder, destroying everything in my path in a matter of seconds (PVE). Yes, I use Storm Field all the time, that is simply too powerful. It destroys everything in like 10 seconds, everything. It's insane. It's even better when you couple it with the Storm Crown thing, but is when you unleash the totem (fully specced) that mayhem starts. Don't be hassled by archers, charge them in! Place a totem right by them, HOT yourself and charge in! They'll be dead in 3 seconds. You have to think like a tank to grind effectively with the ToS, not like a squishjy caster. Your HOTS make you tough as nails and the X key is your friend while the Storm Field does its job.

Without the totem I am pretty much unkillable in PVE unless they are 5 levels higher than me and in huge numbers. With the totem it's God Mode.

[Slayerik]

Ive actually went and tried the general Priest tree for a minute with my level 39 ToS...

http://conankave.com/kave_calc/tempest_of_set/kave_calc.php?t1=11&t1feats=_503300000000000000000000000&t2=0&t2feats=_00000000000000000000000000&t3=21&t3feats=_550000023000050010

The extra physical resistance, the extra electrical and melee damage, and less cooldowns for the heals is sweet. The Vengeance of the gods ability is on a 3 minute timer, so it's like every other pull. Throw in the increasing good storm crown and I'm an AoE machine.

[Brogarn]

So, is the bear shaman always about spamming blood flow for the feat buff when you're soloing? Because I'm 15 with mine and it's already getting a wee bit tiresome. It's difficult to keep that and renewal up while still doing combos.

[Miasma]

Everybody says that bear shaman suck during the teen levels but that they get much better in the higher levels.

[Brogarn]

I've heard the same. I'm just wondering if that blood flow spam continues through the life of the character.

[apocrypha]

Just got my  shaman to 32 and tbh she rocks.

Soloing is no problem, can take 3+ mobs my level, more sometimes. Mobs 3+ my level are doable singly, any higher than that is tough. But she also rocks in groups. Awesome healer, every single group I've had past 30 people have commented on the good healing.. and all I've been doing is spamming Bloodflow and Renewal :)

So far Blood Flow is the way, all the way. Don't need to worry too much about having it stacked 5 times for the damage buff but when fighting I always keep it up.

From what I've heard from higher level players BS's are also PvP machines 

[Ookii]

I think I'm going in this direction with Priest of Mitra - http://www.conanarmory.com/feat.aspx?id=10

[Alkiera]

Not sure how big of a help this would be, but might help for people having issues with archers.

On my ranger, I've noticed that I do a LOT more damage with Mid attacks than with left or right ones; 50-100% more damage.  So when facing archer enemies, it might be a good idea to shift a shield to the top, probably the left 1. (alt-1, alt-2).  Reversing the sequence would move it back.

Next time I get in an archer duel, I'll try this and see if it goes even easier than average.  (Ranged bleeds 4tw...  6hp/sec damage adds up quick, on top of me usually hitting for more.)

SOmeone asked here about using shields, and that's the best idea I can come up with off hand.

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Alkiera

[schild]

I think I'm going in this direction with Priest of Mitra - http://www.conanarmory.com/feat.aspx?id=10

The knockback power on Repulse is something I really wanted to avoid increasing. You see, the way it is, if you have 5 guys in front of you (about the max number you can get without getting surrounded), it's the perfect distance to hit yourself with a maxed out radiance, and then hit them with the 120 degree arc spell. Basically, raping them. Any further would fuck that up. And it's already got enough downtime to get away from folks.

[Ookii]

I think the points are actually needed to get down to the meatier stuff, apparently the rest of the further down stuff is useless or broken.

[Brogarn]

@photek or anyone else playing a guardian. Finding it boring?

Now that I have 2 Cimmerians (DT, BS) and a Stygian (Assassin) out of Tortage, I really want an Aquilonian next and can't decide what class to make em.

[shiznitz]

I am still on Tortage, but I like my guardian a lot. Haven't tried any other class, though. I like the KBs and shield sweep abilities.

[Morfiend]

I am still on Tortage, but I like my guardian a lot. Haven't tried any other class, though. I like the KBs and shield sweep abilities.

Take this as you will, but I hear in the upper levels they are very powerful right now. They have the best defense and the best offense of all the Soldier classes. Its something that will *probably* get fixed.

[Typhon]

I'm pretty sure a Herald of Xotli could be specced to be a god having looked through the skills.

It could be, if (no joke) around 40% of their Feats where not broken. I am having a lot of fun with the class, but it is pretty tough. Cloth + Melee + very limited CC = one mistake and death.

I'm only 27, but I'm finding the same issue here.  Either I kill them very quickly, or I die.  I doesn't help that I always forget to use the root ability to run away.  Not sure that I'm going to take the char any further as I'm finding it frustrating to play compared to the ToS or the Templar (or the Barb).  The demon form is just disappointing, I know it's a power boost, but it doesn't/hasn't been able to turn a situation were two mobs become four mobs from defeat back to victory.  It's good for beating a boss + 2, and then because I do it in advance.

Still not sure if it's because I've spec'd/am playing it wrong, or because it's meant to be group class dps.

[photek]

@photek or anyone else playing a guardian. Finding it boring?

Now that I have 2 Cimmerians (DT, BS) and a Stygian (Assassin) out of Tortage, I really want an Aquilonian next and can't decide what class to make em.

No, Guardian is great fun. If you don't like your Dark Templar I'm not sure how you will like Guardian, but we got massive damage output at the moment and expect massive nerfs on some skills. It is very fun to play and I like the though of being an immovable object with a shield, but thats me. However if you go Aquilonian, what about Priest of Mitra ? Or even Barbarian ? Both classes are awesome. So is Guardian, so good luck in your choice.

EDIT: To the one who heard  Shamans are awesome in PvP at higher levels. You heard correct. They are machines, solo or group. Me and my BS leveling buddy can take out 3-4 opponents of same + higher level classes. (Barbarian here). Heck throw in some clueless players and we'll take a train of 5-6.

EDIT2: The different between a Bear Shaman healer and a PoM/Tempest of Set, in group PvP you can't really leave your Priest / Tempest alone in some battles. Once Repulse / Cobra Stare / Quicksand is used you are mostly required around to defend and have to be very aware of your surroundings and enemies. You know a Bear Shaman will hold his ground and will not fall easily and can do perfect solo versus multiple opponents so you can play more offensive.

[Hoax]

EDIT: To the one who heard  Shamans are awesome in PvP at higher levels. You heard correct. They are machines, solo or group. Me and my BS leveling buddy can take out 3-4 opponents of same + higher level classes. (Barbarian here). Heck throw in some clueless players and we'll take a train of 5-6.

EDIT2: The different between a Bear Shaman healer and a PoM/Tempest of Set, in group PvP you can't really leave your Priest / Tempest alone in some battles. Once Repulse / Cobra Stare / Quicksand is used you are mostly required around to defend and have to be very aware of your surroundings and enemies. You know a Bear Shaman will hold his ground and will not fall easily and can do perfect solo versus multiple opponents so you can play more offensive.

You say that like its possible to "defend" a caster with a melee character, do you mean by dropping root/snare/stun on them or something else?  How is it exactly that you can defend a squishy target in pvp.

[photek]

You say that like its possible to "defend" a caster with a melee character, do you mean by dropping root/snare/stun on them or something else?  How is it exactly that you can defend a squishy target in pvp.

Yeah it is. First the caster needs to actively block while under pressure and switch shields based on which class he fights. This is the great thing about playing all classes to 40ish cause you will learn what classes got most lethal combos on which side. Like on my Barbarian all my combos end on top or upper right. So if you fight barbarian switch the shield to 1 on top and 2 upper right. There you got much more survivability already. Second I have to save my Clobber / Stunning Punch / Earth Shatter / No Escape combos so basically that is roots / snares / stuns I use to help them. As a squishy caster it is always of highest importance to stay close to walls / trees / objects that can be used for line of sight and it is very important to use abilities on turn for the CC, so that means Clobber -> Knockback immunity, next oh shit situation -> Earth Shatter -> by this time knockback immunity gone -> Repulse etcetc. Also in AoC it is very important to never stay still while fighting. Always be on the move as it is all targeted and as melee do combos in the air and land the combo on targets. The white damage is nothing compared to combo damage.

[Threash]

Apart from all that theres the simple matter of collision detection, getting in front of your healer actually helps.