PvP shenanigans.

[Ratman_tf]

On your 39 getting spanked some classes just peak earlier than others. I don't have a hunter but you might be better off at another x9. You also get fewer twinks the higher you go.

This is what I imagine. I've dumped a fair bit into my twink's enchanting skill now, and I think I'll take her as far as she can go in the Battlegrounds and maybe the Arenas eventually.

[Dren]

The main problem with premades is that as soon as they see another PM one of them bails. So now one side is full, the other empty, and players on the empty side start to slowly trickle in just as the match starts. By then the PM already owns the map and the people that just arrived get a few pointless and no fun minutes just waiting for the match to end so they can try again.

They need to improve the matching system and also rig it like the arena so that you can't see the other team at all till the match starts.

Yes, this is just another byproduct of the issues with the system.  I do like your thought on blinding each side from knowing what is on the other side.  I really do only use it to see if their side is short people or a premade.  Otherwise, it is worthless.

I wouldn't necessarily like a better matching system persay.  If you want to the system to try and figure out a great match-up automatically, look for queue times to increase significantly.

I'd just cap same server characters to 50% and get rid of the option to see what the other side has.  I think that would effectively squash this particular shenanigan.  (I'm sure others would sprout up.)

[Ratman_tf]

I'd just cap same server characters to 50% and get rid of the option to see what the other side has.  I think that would effectively squash this particular shenanigan.  (I'm sure others would sprout up.)

On the other hand, I'd hate to punish premades just for existing. It's fun to get a team working well together.   

[Nebu]

Shouldn't premades be encouraged?  The concept of a premade seems to fit well within the context of the rest of the game design.  They encourage grouping and guild completion of tasks.  Hell, they've even incorporated voice communication into the design of the game.  I think that discouraging premades is a step in the wrong direction.  Sure, they have an advantage over pugs... isn't that true for every other aspect of the game?

[Jayce]

I wonder if the right approach isn't both -  create a tool to make premades super easy to organize.  Then using this tool, make it possible to join any BG as group, but only matchup groups against other groups.

The puggers can be separate and only matched to others who didn't join as a group.  A few problems could be premades "breaking in" to the pugger games for an easy win, and longer queue times.  But it sounds like it might be worth a shot. 

[Dren]

Yes, I agree that premades are really were the fun begins, but this has been warped into something ugly by the LCD.  We can't have nice things.

I also agree with the idea of perhaps locking 50% or more premades into fighting only 50% or more premades.  Their queue times would probably suffer, but if people want to get organized, they need to be matched up against other organized groups.  Otherwise, it is just a steamroller and doesn't really chime with the whole point of PvP other than the ole UO mob mentality.

Anything less than 50% will be considered a PUG and be matched up to other PUG's.

I wouldn't mind that.

[Righ]

The best tool would be battleground armor. You want to fight for the Horde? The Horde has armor that you can rent. Of course, if you don't want to pay, you can use your own armor.

The people decked out in epics get to use their own armor which saves them money, but they also get a fair fight against people who may have to pay. The battlegrounds offer rewards that effectively offset the rental costs for winning teams, which makes winning more attractive not only for the people renting gear, but for those who have the latest and greatest epics, because its now an income stream.

[Nebu]

I think letting people buy respecs with honor/tokens would also be a step in the right direction. Especially those of us that would respec a lot based on situation.

[Jayce]

I think a pony would help in this situation, too.


Yes.  Ponies.

[Ratman_tf]

[fuser]

On your 39 getting spanked some classes just peak earlier than others. I don't have a hunter but you might be better off at another x9. You also get fewer twinks the higher you go.

This is what I imagine. I've dumped a fair bit into my twink's enchanting skill now, and I think I'll take her as far as she can go in the Battlegrounds and maybe the Arenas eventually.

My 39 twink is not an enchanter but engineer as there are so many goodies at that level. God its fun being a warlock with +300dmg

[Ratman_tf]

On your 39 getting spanked some classes just peak earlier than others. I don't have a hunter but you might be better off at another x9. You also get fewer twinks the higher you go.

This is what I imagine. I've dumped a fair bit into my twink's enchanting skill now, and I think I'll take her as far as she can go in the Battlegrounds and maybe the Arenas eventually.

My 39 twink is not an enchanter but engineer as there are so many goodies at that level. God its fun being a warlock with +300dmg

I went Enchant/Engie. For maximum boomage. 

[murdoc]

You guys need to post links to your twinks imo (wait... did I really want to phrase it that way)

These are the two I'm running with right now:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ursin&n=Wimgore - Shaman
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ursin&n=Sawbone - Rogue

With my limited time to play, the 30-39 BG has been pretty good. I can get online for a hour or two and get in a couple BG games and still actually have fun. Don't think I'm twinked out ridiculously either, but can compete with the higher end premades.

[Ratman_tf]

You guys need to post links to your twinks imo (wait... did I really want to phrase it that way)

These are the two I'm running with right now:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ursin&n=Wimgore - Shaman
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ursin&n=Sawbone - Rogue

With my limited time to play, the 30-39 BG has been pretty good. I can get online for a hour or two and get in a couple BG games and still actually have fun. Don't think I'm twinked out ridiculously either, but can compete with the higher end premades.

Whatup bitchnatchio?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&n=Kandaria

One of the reasons I started BGs is you get dumped into a raid with only a few minutes waiting, and even if it sucks, you still got to play some and get some honor and a mark.

Sly and I have been bullshitting how to make PUGs for PvE instances more like BG matchmaking...

[Righ]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&n=Kandaria

That's the strangest talent build I have ever seen.

[Ratman_tf]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&n=Kandaria

That's the strangest talent build I have ever seen.

I get that with my Paladin too. *shrug*

[Chimpy]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&n=Kandaria

That's the strangest talent build I have ever seen.

Holy bejeezus, I agree.

It is almost like "I just can't move to a higher tier without first putting one point into each of the previous one."

[Ratman_tf]

Holy bejeezus, I agree.

It is almost like "I just can't move to a higher tier without first putting one point into each of the previous one."

I just hate being a cookie cutter talent build copier. I am considering going for a more conventional build.
Another concession to "wrongfun" I guess... 

[Jayce]

I just hate being a cookie cutter talent build copier. I am considering going for a more conventional build.
Another concession to "wrongfun" I guess... 

Hey, if your fun is being unique, go for it.  If your fun involves being effective(r), then you probably don't want to.

[Righ]

You could always use a more conventional talent build and wear this:



It would probably make you (1) more unique (2) suck less.

[Ratman_tf]

You could always use a more conventional talent build and wear this:



It would probably make you (1) more unique (2) suck less.

Snazzy! But seriously, I didn't find talents to make that much difference. When I'm gunning for kills (instead of grinding marks, which means I want to win the game, not farm honor) I place in the top 3 for both sides. Usually #1 if there aren't many twinks. So my talents aren't holding me back or anything. It's all just a matter of min/maxing decimals at this point.

[murdoc]

Plus, it's just a 39 BG char. if there's one place to play around with talents, it's in the lower level BGs.

Now I remember why people don't really want to post their char info. Lucky for me, I'm FotM.

[Jayce]

I don't know, I like the discussion.  It's not like this place is all "OMG UR STEWPID NOOB".  We reserve that for MMOG design discussions 

Also, I think he "won".  Effective and unique = win.

[Ratman_tf]

I've been meaning to dig into talents a bit more anyway. It just took a back seat to my tradeskills on the way up.

I'll probably go with something like this:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000005505000250313253135102303030010000000000000

The next time I respec. As far as 20something talent points will take me, anyway.

[fuser]

You guys need to post links to your twinks imo (wait... did I really want to phrase it that way)

With my limited time to play, the 30-39 BG has been pretty good. I can get online for a hour or two and get in a couple BG games and still actually have fun. Don't think I'm twinked out ridiculously either, but can compete with the higher end premades.

(Correction) Shammies are what I fear in the 30-39 bracket. My warlock is ok, i could get another 10-20+ damage but it would be silly amounts of money. Oh I have to respec with the changes to the warlock tree.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Anub%27arak&n=Dotqaeda

Even with some other twinks on the alliance it scares me how much damage can be done on a good run

[Chimpy]

I've been meaning to dig into talents a bit more anyway. It just took a back seat to my tradeskills on the way up.

I'll probably go with something like this:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000005505000250313253135102303030010000000000000

The next time I respec. As far as 20something talent points will take me, anyway.

Aimed shot may be mildly useless these days, but neglecting Mortal Shots really is not a good idea. Mortal Shots is basically the "core" talent in marks. You will probably see a larger increase in Dmg from mortal shots than from Carfeul Aim and Combat Experience combined. It is THAT nice of a talent.

Not criticizing wanting to go your own way, just think that if you are going to skip any talents, Mortal Shots is definitely one not to pass up.