Scarlett Johannson engaged to Van Wilder

[Viin]

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[Margalis]

There is fast twitch and slow twitch muscle. However you can't really switch between them and I don't know that there is any size difference anyway.

[stray]

Edit:  There's no such thing as "lean" muscle.  There's just muscle.  If you're super desperate, you could just become wheelchair bound until your legs waste away Stephen Hawking style.

It never was supposed to indicate a different type of muscle. It's a distinction between training and dieting types. The term is used througout every aspect of fitness discussion.

[dusematic]

yes but almost always in a misleading way by the dieting/weight loss/exercise machine industries.  I mean we can talk about someone who "looks" lean.  But "building" lean muscle?  Not appropriate. 

[Samwise]

[Phildo]

You're the best... AROUND!

[stray]

yes but almost always in a misleading way by the dieting/weight loss/exercise machine industries.  I mean we can talk about someone who "looks" lean.  But "building" lean muscle?  Not appropriate. 

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Samwise]

[Llava]

Samwise once again proves that you can be glib without uttering a single word.

[stray]

I welcome his glibness. I don't want to argue about any of the things dusematic thinks I want to argue.

[lamaros]

Yeah, using words correctly is kinda frowned on in these parts.

[stray]

I use the word the only way it's been used in all fitness discussion since I could remember. "Lean muscle" will give you over 2 million results in Google -- so I'm not some isolated case of oddity to warrant any of you geeking out about it. A lot of people say it. Nor I can find one example of someone making the fallacy of using it to indicate an actual biological distinction in muscle fibers -- so I have no idea what "machine" dusematic is trying to rage against here. If there is one, it's not big enough to bring it up and project that on to me. It's always meant to signify diet and training regimen, nothing more.

Now post a funny gif or shut the fuck up, please. Not every subject needs to be some outlet for "debate". For crissakes.

[dusematic]

I'm not raging, dipshit.  You're simply being a douchebag because you were talking out of your ass and someone called you on it.  "Lean muscle" returns 2 million Google hits?  Irrelevant.  "Poopy pants" returns 47,000.  What the fuck is your point?  Lean muscle is almost as redundant and stupid as saying "fatty fat."  All fat is fat you fucking idiot.  All muscle is muscle.  There is no debate.  You're wrong.  Deal with it bitch.

[Samwise]

[dusematic]

yes but almost always in a misleading way by the dieting/weight loss/exercise machine industries.  I mean we can talk about someone who "looks" lean.  But "building" lean muscle?  Not appropriate. 

I don't know what you're talking about.

I'm talking about how someone like you could end up sounding like such a complete idiot.  Get it now?

[schild]

Hah. That's on a good loop.

[stray]

[edit] Actually, I'm pretty speechless here. What the hell is all of this anger about? It's like you're expecting me to represent a point of view that I don't even hold, just so you can fight with me. And now that I don't hold that view, you want to get angry about that too. I'm sorry I can't oblige, but please, get a grip. This isn't worth your rage.

And yes, you are raging. That much is evident.

[dusematic]

Dude, please. This is basically your MO.  The most recent example being the book thread spat between you and Schild that got denned.  Periodically, you say a bunch of stupid shit, someone calls you on it, and then you throw a hissy fit. 

[stray]

My MO? I probably have a record around here for saying "my bad", "sorry", "oh, I was wrong", or "I stand corrected" when things get to that point. I'm almost sure of it. I hardly have a problem with being wrong about things. It's not some big priority of mine to be "right".

I barely argued with Schild in that book thread. Not sure why that stands out to you. It was like two or three exchanges, we disagreed, and left it at that. Fine with me. But since when did it get resolved? Was he just declared right by fiat? I missed that part.

And as far you go, I don't even see what you're "calling me out" on. At least me and Schild actually had a clear difference of opinion. While all I see here is someone pissed about something other people supposedly said -- and then blamed me for it! Then I tell you "I don't know what you're talking about" when it came to these hypothetical people. After that, you somehow managed to find a way to take offense when I said "I don't know", and started talking like a maniac. Ooohkay.

I have no clue what "hissy fit" I'm guilty of either. I'm amused. It never ceases to amaze me how mundane subjects like this can go sour at F13. Serious business indeed.

[Margalis]

What exactly would "lean muscle" be? What makes muscle "lean" exactly?

By the way if I google "lean muscle" the first few links are all to marketing BS and the next is to a discussion like this one with people questioning the term.

[stray]

I can't answer your second question (because, again, I never made a literal distinction between types of muscle), but I'll answer the first.

Lean muscle, again, is simply what I used to signify training that focuses on bulking up, while at the same time burning fat (and one without an emphasis on an insane protein intake) -- not literal biological differences. Now that I know what a fuss this has caused though, I could admit that it sounds strange. Perhaps the better set of terms would be "lean musculature" (or something to that effect) -- because that's all that is meant.

What sparked this conversation was when I was comparing Bruce Lee's training with that of a typical beefed up actor (like Christian Bale). Someone was under the impression that since a guy might be bigger than Lee, then it would follow that he worked harder than Lee. Which wouldn't be the case. Lee was superhumanly out of his fucking mind, as far as hard training goes. What he and others like him did require as much work as guys twice as big -- unlike them, he basically had no body fat at all. A guy with a physique like Bale still has a bit of fat surrounding his muscles (which can be told just by appearances), and if that's the case, has fat between muscle sinew as well. Both give off the illusion of having more bulk than one has. Also worth mentioning is the route these bulkier types take to achieve their look -- they boost up on creatine, which pulls water into your muscles, ballooning them up.

Don't make too big a deal about me using the Google hit thing either. The only reason why I mentioned it is because some of you were acting all shocked and shit, like I just made up the word.

[Margalis]

Ok, understood, lean musculature is a much better term, or just lean in general.

I look pretty lean myself. A sexy beast.

[lamaros]

Don't make too big a deal about me using the Google hit thing either. The only reason why I mentioned it is because some of you were acting all shocked and shit, like I just made up the word.

I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I can tell you were just acting like a dick.

On another note, being really lean is bad for you. Bicycle riders get the leanest and they only do it for short periods of time. It's not healthy.

[stray]

No really, I wasn't. I'd never deny it if I was either.

Or at the very least, I wasn't being a dick anymore than usual.

[edit] As for the lean being bad thing, that's the first I've heard of it. Got any links? I don't know what to think about that. I would suspect that it'd be ideal to be as lean as any typical wild predator is.

On a sidenote, I live in one of the fattest cities in the world. I'm nowhere near 0% body fat (and never will be, I imagine), but I am lean. Every once in awhile, I run into a fat person who tries to make me feel bad about it... By saying just that -- that's it's not "healthy". Like I'm not the normal one. Heh.

By the way, this has nothing to do with what you're saying lamaros.. I know you're talking about extremities (I think?). It just reminds of it.

[dusematic]

I love lamp lean.

[Nebu]

I hear physicians describe fitness regimen as building "lean muscle" all the time.  The term is used to denote a specific type of workout routine where the ratio  of muscle to fat is high relative to more traditional weight gaining methods.  Yes, you are correct in stating that muscle is muscle.  I think you're being a bit overly critical of Stray though.  The term gets thrown around a lot among health professionals.  I think the term gets as much play as it does because gaining weight through training that is largely due to the building of muscle mass with limited fat is one of the tougher things any athlete can do. 

[Soukyan]

So it's an oxymoron. Woo. We've got loads of oxymorons in the English language. Lean muscle or muscle, same difference. Good grief this thread makes me want to issue a silent scream. Some people were clearly misunderstood and passive aggressive behavior ensued. We're a small crowd here at the forums, but in the interest of being left alone together, we could make peace and go get legally drunk and listen to some soft rock, because nobody likes a butt head, and I would hate to have to call in the peace force, because that would be almost exactly the same difference as what has already occurred. Oh, and British fashion is as much an oxymoron as the living dead. 

[Broughden]

Are you fucking kidding me? This is a Scarlett Johannson thread which should contain copius amounts of pictures of her breasts. Instead we have people getting all angsty McAngst on the term "lean muscle"?

 

[Phildo]

The truth

[Mrbloodworth]

Are you fucking kidding me? This is a Scarlett Johannson thread which should contain copius amounts of pictures of her breasts. Instead we have people getting all angsty McAngst on the term "lean muscle"?

 

Right on. Lets get back to johannson and stop talking about beefy McBeefersion.

There, that should clean off the manliness left on this thread.

[Signe]

You're all wrong.  This is a thread about the beautiful body of some guy who played some bloke named Van Wilder in a film I didn't see! 






So there.

[Mrbloodworth]

Fair enough.

[Ironwood]

That boy really did buff up a bit, didn't he ?

[Signe]

He did.  It sort of reminds me of Jeff Goldblum.  He was some tall skinny goofy guy and then The Fly happened and he had a new body.

[WayAbvPar]

Except Ryan Reynolds drips charisma (buff or not), while Jeff Goldblum is genuinely creepy.